I do not believe in birth control

Tell me why I am wrong or why you agree with me. My point of view is based on religion and philosophy. Don't say "you're stupid" actually have a point. Abortion is another subject this thread is only about birth control. If I am not mistaken Catholicism is against birth control correct? I myself have always felt it was wrong just on the level of nature(not sure how to describe this) a lone. Religion gave me a whole new view on it. Science also gave me a view on it. Every way I look at it whether religious, nature, scientific, or even social psychological, I just see wrong.

What do you guys think? I would honestly like to hear both sides not just one side. Please tell me what you base your view off of.

Ok... I'll bite.


Let's say what you are saying is the truth and you whole heartily believe this.

Now we can make two assumptions here because you haven't volunteered any information otherwise;
1.) You control your sexual urges and do not have sex other than to create life.
2.) Or you do have sex as much as anyone else and you don't care of the outcome (reckless abandonment of sperm).

Based on 1... Unless you find a like minded partner, prepare for a really rough relationship and frankly, unsatisfying in my person opinion (you may not view sex as a major factor in your relationships).

Based on 2... Having started having sex since the legal age (yeah right ), 18, now being 25 (assumed), we can roughly estimate how many times you've had sex.
25 - 18 = 7 years.
7 * 52 = 364 weeks.
Estimating an average rate of sex of 2 times per week, that would come to 728 times you've had sex.

Since each of these 728 times, you were not practicing safe sex and chance of pregnancy (based off of your potency) is roughly 1:3 based on the assumed age range.

728 / 3 = 243 (rounded up).

Now consider once every 3 times you had sex it would likely result in a pregnancy, we can then factor in a term limit of 9 months.
Only because you're a randy soul and won't give her any time to wait after giving birth.

So over the 84 months of sexual intercourse, the maximum amount of children you'd father would be 9 (rounded down).

This is all on the assumption of course that the whole time you've only had the one sexual partner.

So the total amount of children that you could possibly sire, would be anywhere between 9 and 243.

Taking these assumed and estimated numbers into consideration... How do you feel about birth control now?

.: ETA :.
Oh I forgot...
In this world we live in now, you'd need to find a means of supporting said 9 to 243 children.
Ya think you're up to it?

Well, at this point in time we need birth control. The human population has shot through the roof exponentially. It's getting out of control.

More people = more consumption/pollution.

Seems to me there isn't enough. People should at least chill out for awhile and not have kids. At least don't have more than 2 per man/woman. 1 would probably be the perfect number of kids to have right about now.

Having sex is a vital instinct. It's one of the most important things a organism is supposed to do. But we're just doing it too much. We're doing it at a dangerous rate. If we keep up this pace, we're going to put ourselves in a pretty big pickle eventually. If it ends up getting bad enough, it may even put our own existence in risk. Maybe not a year from now, or 10, or 100. But at this rate, reproducing at a increased rate is very unwise.

And people aren't just going to stop having sex. It just isn't going to happen in a realistic world. It's a form of pleasure, and it has quite a bit of popularity.

So take your pick.

Birth control - which helps keep down the population. And conserve our natural and finite resources.

Or no birth control whatsoever - and we further increase our insane population, and further strain our planet along with pretty much every other creature on the planet.

reply to post by Pimpintology


I do believe strongly on birth control because I am responsible for the children I father into the world. Its my job to provide for them and to give them the time to bring them up the best way I can.

I see it as disreputable to bring into the world more children than I can afford to provide for. I don't think one should be allowed to have child after child and expect other people to provide for my kids, its as simple as that.

If a parent who earns the main income for the children dies, then I do expect the state to step in because that's what I have paid my taxes for.

Its when one looks at e.g. a friend's tenant - this guy has fathered 12 kids with several different women, claims benefit for a poor bad back yet goes fishing every single weekend with the best equipment money can buy and the garden is littered with his beer cans. His kids sleep on the floor in sleeping bags. My friend when he inspected the house was surprised to find virtually no toys and not a wardrobe in the place, just small piles of pitiful clothing. He kept their rent low deliberately to try to leave them with enough to get the kiddies things they needed. I find it difficult to fix a religious reason to say this behaviour is OK. I rest my case.

I know a few people that share your view (all catholic) and I don't have a problem with it as long as you don't have a problem with other people's right to use birth control and you aren't trying to take over the planet with all of your unplanned progeny. Even then... if you can afford them, more power to you.

I do believe in birth control and I do consider myself religious. I believe in it because I do not believe in having abortions just because someone else didn't believe in it. If you are one to believe that you should not use birth control because every child is a blessing from God and to use birth control is akin to stopping God's will, I would still say that is incorrect (IMO) as I was conceived while my mother was on BC pills. She didn't know it until 3 months in... yet here I am. If that is not the reason you disagree with using it, I am not sure what exactly you mean by "against nature".

I don't see anything wrong with folks not wanting to have 20 kids in every family or 20 kids with 20 different women/men. That happens now. Imagine how bad it would be without alternatives.

reply to post by Pimpintology


sex makes babies, no birth control more babies....its like the game SIMs

reply to post by Pimpintology


Well it's real, I've seen it. It exists. You should believe in it. Okay on a more serious note.

You're against all uses of birth control? Some people have a medical need for birth control to regulate hormones, to regulate periods. Sometimes a women can start her period and just never stop and cause all sorts of problems like anemia or whatever. You can't just let it go, you have to treat it and birth control is used many times to help women control their cycle.

Also what about a wife that has a health condition in which the doctor tells her not to get pregnant? Like a heart condition? High blood pressure? Or something else? It's not okay for the wife to take BC until she gets the condition under control and gets cleared by her doctor?

Sex with condoms is no where near as good. So I'm pretty glad there is birth control.

You'd have to have a damned good job to afford all those kids. Just how much quality attention will you spend with each of them?

Sovaka

So the total amount of children that you could possibly sire, would be anywhere between 9 and 243.

Taking these assumed and estimated numbers into consideration... How do you feel about birth control now?

Thank you for the bit of humor in your post. I enjoyed it. Um, I still feel the same. I guess I could have added to my original post that I do not believe in adultery or sex before marriage. So we would go with the possibility of 9. I would also like to state that you do not have to have sex, or if you are going to be intimate you do not have to have intercourse. I don't think people would have children like that maybe 4 or 5. Also why must people get married at 18? Anyhow in real life there would be a lot more boomerangs then what I have mentioned thrown into the equation so you wouldn't have quite so many children.

I also believe that what is practiced today is akin to self mutilation. People get together and don't want any kids, ever. Now most of them are not religious but to me I just cannot fathom it. But yeah add in being a virgin until you get married and only being with one person. I would definitely be up for it. Thank you for your well thought out reply.

Pimpintology
Tell me why I am wrong or why you agree with me.

Ok, I bet you have a very great reason. Let's hear it:

Pimpintology
I myself have always felt it was wrong just on the level of nature(not sure how to describe this) a lone. Religion gave me a whole new view on it. Science also gave me a view on it.

You say that you don't even know how to explain your position yet you want others to tell you why you are right or wrong.

What's your actual view as to why?

Kangaruex4Ewe
I believe in it because I do not believe in having abortions just because someone else didn't believe in it.

Thank you that is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. Great point.

reply to post by Shiloh7


I know your point Shiloh but it doesn't have to do with religion you are speaking about worldly situations. I already understand all that and believe you me I do not support people having kids with multiple people and filing for welfare and all that. The question I am getting at is based on religion if you follow it do you think its right or wrong? Not really getting into economics as I said my question takes into account that humans do not have to have sex. You are taught that in elementary school? I forgot when sex ed was. Also take into account that I do not believe in adultery or sex before marriage. How to deal with that type or person? I have no idea. I think that's another discussion entirely. Thank you for your participation.

reply to post by Pimpintology


You are fine to believe that. It actually is a natural outcome of believing that God is in control. If God wills then a baby would be concieved no matter how much birth control is employed and vice versa.

I am also skeptical about loading the woman I love with hormones whose effect on the health are not even fully known.

Sovaka
Ok... I'll bite.


Let's say what you are saying is the truth and you whole heartily believe this.

Now we can make two assumptions here because you haven't volunteered any information otherwise;
1.) You control your sexual urges and do not have sex other than to create life.
2.) Or you do have sex as much as anyone else and you don't care of the outcome (reckless abandonment of sperm).

Based on 1... Unless you find a like minded partner, prepare for a really rough relationship and frankly, unsatisfying in my person opinion (you may not view sex as a major factor in your relationships).

Based on 2... Having started having sex since the legal age (yeah right

), 18, now being 25 (assumed), we can roughly estimate how many times you've had sex.
25 - 18 = 7 years.
7 * 52 = 364 weeks.
Estimating an average rate of sex of 2 times per week, that would come to 728 times you've had sex.

Since each of these 728 times, you were not practicing safe sex and chance of pregnancy (based off of your potency) is roughly 1:3 based on the assumed age range.

728 / 3 = 243 (rounded up).

Now consider once every 3 times you had sex it would likely result in a pregnancy, we can then factor in a term limit of 9 months.
Only because you're a randy soul and won't give her any time to wait after giving birth.

So over the 84 months of sexual intercourse, the maximum amount of children you'd father would be 9 (rounded down).

This is all on the assumption of course that the whole time you've only had the one sexual partner.

So the total amount of children that you could possibly sire, would be anywhere between 9 and 243.

Taking these assumed and estimated numbers into consideration... How do you feel about birth control now?

.: ETA :.
Oh I forgot...
In this world we live in now, you'd need to find a means of supporting said 9 to 243 children.
Ya think you're up to it?

edit on 20/1/2014 by Sovaka because: (no reason given)

guess what happens ...

if they get divorced .. yep .. child support...@ $243.00 per child or more

what about those teens that are develop mentally delayed ??

Can they truly care for their child ? Some can, some can not no matter what.

I know of this Personally...

my answer is, Birth Control...whether they get fixed or other means..

If you have a child.. you .. can not have an eye on every single place they go and what they are doing with their friends...sorry if they want to have sex.. they will...it's in their nature.

this is all I will say on this subject ...

reply to post by Pimpintology


Do you believe in extreme poverty, hardship and unbelievably high infant mortality rates?

Birth control is necessary and that's a fact, even more so in the third world developing nations but just as relevant in our own considering the influx of refugees that are landing on our doorstep these days!

reply to post by Pimpintology


Depends on the method of birth control. I think the overuse of chemicals have had an impact on nature both animals and humans and we will see more effects of this.

I have nothing against removing the ability to procreate if you feel you are not meant to pro create.

Pimpintology
If I am not mistaken Catholicism is against birth control correct?

Catholicism is against artificial birth control.
Birth control is called Onanism in religious circles.
Catholics approve of 'spacing' children using natural birth control (counting days of a womans cycle, etc).
Side note - ALL christian churches taught against birth control until about a 100 years ago.
Yep ... even the protestants.


Now my view - not practicing birth control is insane. It's selfish. It's not environmentally friendly.
It's hard on the children in the family to be just one of dozens instead of a cherished member of a
smaller family. Not practicing birth control produces poverty and over crowding of the planet with
people who can't afford good food and college educations. So I wish more people would practice
birth control. Heck ... I'd be handing out free condoms on every street corner in every city on the
planet if I could.

reply to post by FlyersFan


But I do get why religions try to keep the high birth rate at a high level since it increases the number of souls in their churches with have both benefits financially and creating power thru conditioning/consent. Seems that some religions think make as many children and win by being the religion with the most practitioners on the planet.