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Ninth Circuit to Hear Challenge to Obama.Care IPAB

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posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 11:42 PM
The 9th Circuit Court will hear arguments about the Obama.Care Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) referred by some as the "Death Panel".

The IPAB is an independent board of 'experts' that according to the law are supposed to somehow determine ways of reducing costs of MediCare.

This *Board* has unique powers that for the most part will bypass Congress and the President.

Some argue that the IPAB isn't going to be rationing "Care" because they are to *Only* reduce costs. However, the law does not define what "rationing care" is, therefore, a large loophole exists to jump through and sort out later **after** any damage would be done.

Arguments say that those *Cost Reduction* measures will actually lead into service reductions on various levels.

Very complicated as usual.

We can only imagine the clout this panel will have if allowed to be formed.

details and links to sources in the article;

I mentioned in a previous post that Progressivism has a curious definition of “democracy” that largely takes the form of unaccountable administrative agencies wielding enormous power to regulate people’s behavior. Perhaps the most extreme example of administrative power—the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB—is the subject of the latest constitutional challenge to Obamacare to be heard by a federal court of appeals. The Ninth Circuit will hear the case in a special session in Las Vegas on January 28.

IPAB is an agency created by Obamacare to regulate Medicare reimbursement rates. This group of bureaucrats is required by the statute to promulgate “recommendations” as to how to reduce Medicare costs—except that those “recommendations” go into effect automatically, without Congressional or Presidential approval. On the contrary, the law specifically forbids Congress or the President from altering these “recommendations” (except in one limited sense: Congress can replace those “recommendations” with new ones, so long as they achieve the same reductions as the originals.) And Obamacare even attempts to make IPAB immune to repeal. It allows Congress to abolish the agency only by passing a joint resolution during a narrow one-month window in 2017—and that resolution must receive the most extreme supermajority ever required in American law. Courts are prohibited from reviewing IPAB’s actions, also.

In short, IPAB is an autonomous lawmaking body that operates without Presidential, Congressional, or Judicial checks or balances.

Ninth Circuit to Hear Challenge to Obamacare’s “Platonic Guardians” January 28


posted on Jan, 20 2014 @ 12:08 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

Some argue that the IPAB isn't going to be rationing "Care" because they are to *Only* reduce costs.

Arguments say that those *Cost Reduction* measures will actually lead into service reductions on various levels.

They could pretty much argue over any costs as our healthcare is currently so overpriced, especially in regards to surgeries. This will once again hit the poor the hardest as they are the ones on Medicaid.

With this type of thing we could conceivably have people dying because procedures such as an Appendectomy "costs too much." Guess that's one way to reduce the number of people on food stamps. Also could help reduce the official unemployment numbers.

The eugenicists are going to love this if it's not stopped.

posted on Jan, 20 2014 @ 02:39 AM
What Constitution?,,,,, ohhhhh- that.

Just another unaccountable agency that recieves its power from nobody with the authority
of making personal medical and treatment options for people whom gave them that power unwillingly. due to standing by and allowing the other branches the ability to govern with roguesque tactics -while we are turning a blind eye.

Im sick of all of this "we think we can make anything we want law" crap.

The people better get their crap in order and start to realize how much power they are giving these people in order to dictate their lives.
It is so absurd at this point- I dont know if people will ever wake up. Both of these parties supports just sit back and watch, as if they are a magical event, Thats how we get all these agencies- clueless=passive- brainless and complicit party members.

They wont ever stop at a chance to gain power in any aspect that we allow them to.

The only way to fix it, is by setting new standards written from the people about how the Government is allowed to govern.

Thank god for our forefathers- because if they had not written that brilliant document- then we would have been done for long ago.

Hopefully the judicial hasnt been bought off- cause if they have- then things might have to get ugly to stop the wicked ways these pricks tend to embrace for personal and political gain.

They are power drunk- and they need to be reminded of who are the real power holders of decion making our laws provide them-

WE THE PEOPLE,,,,,,the ones who have been asleep for way too long.

Come on Judicial dont let us down.

edit on 20-1-2014 by Common Good because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 20 2014 @ 02:47 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

And cutting the Medicare reimbursement rate for some procedure or other to $0, as IPAB is free to do, would certainly qualify as rationing care. The statutory ban on rationing is simply not enforceable.

In other words, for seniors who are on medicare, at the moment, Medicare pays 80% and the patient pays the remaining balance
Which for many seniors on fixed income, is a life saver, literally

What the IPAB was created to do is 'regulate the Medicare reimbursement rates'

So, does that mean that if they so choose, they can drop the 80% to say like 30% or 40%, leaving seniors to pay the remaining 60-70% of the cost of the bills?
If so, won't that indirectly cause some seniors to opt out of certain procedures needed??

Not sure if that's the intention or not, but I sure as hell hope not

And this tid bit is not reassuring either:

As President Obama has not made any appointments to IPAB (knowing they wouldn’t get confirmed), the statute provides that IPAB’s powers will instead be vested not in a group of bureaucrats, but in the hands of a single bureaucrat: our capable Health & Human Services Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, who recently said, and correctly, that she “doesn’t work for” the American people.

Kathleen Sebelius, really???
*shakes head*

edit on 20-1-2014 by snarky412 because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 20 2014 @ 02:23 PM
And don't forget the appeal of one family to Kathleen Sebelius to lift restrictions so their young daughter could get a set of adult lungs. Sebelius didn't lift a finger. It took the order of a compassionate judge for this girl to get a life saving treatment. Let that story be a precursor to the future of our health care.
edit on 20-1-2014 by bmullini because: (no reason given)

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