Why China Must Start a War.

All this Red China fear mongering is nothing but hyper bloated nonsense. Oh I believe we will go to war with china eventually, but I assure you The United States will not be the loser. They have no Navy, a Naval blockade would quickly starve their population. Our Air Superiority alone would devastate them. Once we took out their dams, it would be over rather quickly.

That is assuming that they would not try to Nuke us here at home with IBM's, or our Navy or troops with tactical Nukes. Then it would get very ugly but at the end of the days, America would still be victorious. It's also important to remember that Great Britain, Germany, Japan and Australia ect (the list goes on) would be fighting by our side.

It would be suicidal for China to start a War with the USA and it's allies. The Chinese are not stupid, they are actually very intelligent people. I would bet that some lunatics in high places might actually desire a War with China in order to wipe out all the debt that they hold for us, and once conquered, confiscate the gold that they have been hoarding for over a decade.

Look, Their little secret tunnels we already know about thanks to some brainy college kid, yet I don't believe that we were not already aware of what was going on over there. The real challenge would be winning the hearts and minds of the Chinese civilian population. However unlike Iraq, there are millions and millions of pro-western thinking Chinese who desire to witness the destruction of the Communist Party, and who will be more than willing to enjoy the fruits of an American occupation.

I myself have a lot of mixed feelings about this China issue. It all comes down to it's a worldwide battle for resources. I have been paying close attention to the Chinese for the last 20 years. I remember back in the mid 90's reading a book by Bill Gurtz (I still own it) called 'The Coming Conflict With China'. I mean, people were talking about this being a possibility all the way back then. Crazy world these times are. ~$heopleNation

Is the sleeping giant waking up? I think it is but I'm not sure how to make sense of it so am glad I found this thread.

In the past few months messages coming out of China have felt more aggressive. Old disputes receiving refreshed attention, military muscle flexing, an unprecedented economic collapse on the horizon...

I'm looking at the larger picture and am wondering if what we are seeing is more serious than issues of the past. My estimate is that it is quite serious due to the need to revamp their economy.

Not all new news but put together it looks suspicious.

1). China's economic bubble collapse is becoming more of a reality - will far surpass anything we have seen in history, which would cause civil unrest for the people. China doesn't want this so their actions seem like a desperate attempt to find other ways to regenerate. While this news has been out there for awhile, their recent economic reform to build consumerism in their own country doesn't seem like enough.

2). There is a territorial dispute relating to the malacca sea route (which is one of the largest transportation hubs - also thought to be abundant in crude oil). We know they have planned to take control by force, from the Philippines - soon. Supposed to be regional only but...the US is an ally so would likely get involved if asked.

3). They also want to take over the long disputed Senkakus/Diaoyu island chain for fossil fuels and honor purposes. Japan has asked to join in the war games with the US and India later this year, and if permitted it could be enough to provoke China - especially with the Philippines dispute and the US's potential intervention. Although the US is trying to help them find peace - I'm not sure China will cooperate if we get involved in other disputes and if their economy collapses.

This article shows how it is looking like pre WW1 with this relationship.

www.nytimes.com...

In October China sent ships to the Hawaiian islands. This is not a routine practice.

Then I read this report linked by Virginia rep Forbes. This site also has an article of how the U.S. will overcome China's military by describing the strategy that would be taken.

forbes.house.gov...

"Though China does not have the ability to strike land targets with sea-based cruise missiles, the report states China’s navy is developing a land-attack cruise missile capability, most likely with the Type-095 SSGN and Luyang-III (Type 052D) guided-missile destroyer. This will enhance China’s “flexibility for attacking land targets throughout the Western Pacific, including US facilities in Guam.” One of the many disturbing conclusions in the report is the suggestion that China’s military modernization is “on track to alter the security balance in Asia over the next five to 10 years, challenging decades of US military preeminence.”

"And as the US military and diplomatic community work feverishly to improve Sino-US ties, China is “rapidly expanding and diversifying its ability to conduct conventional strikes against US and allied bases, ships, and aircraft throughout the region.”

www.defensenews.com...

Here's an article from 2012 that may somewhat support claims a couple of months ago that China had leaked a map of cities that would be destroyed in the US and Europe - as well of the rumor that there were new missiles showcased that could reach these regions.

"According to the report, JIN-class submarines, two of which have already been put to sea, would carry nuclear tipped missiles. Naval intelligence documents estimate five such submarines will be ready for service. The submarines and the JL-2 missile combination will give Chinese forces "a near-continuous at-sea strategic deterrent," according to the report, and Beijing is "on the cusp of attaining a credible nuclear triad of land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, submarine-launched ballistic missiles, and air-dropped nuclear bombs."

www.popularmechanics.com...


More global resource grabbing -

Russia is beefing up its military presence in the Arctic, while planning to maintain a permanent presence in the Mediterranean - a first since the Cold War era.

"Russia, the United States, Canada, Denmark and Norway have all been trying to assert jurisdiction over parts of the Arctic, which is believed to hold up to a quarter of the planet's undiscovered oil and gas. In 2007, Russia staked a symbolic claim to the Arctic seabed by dropping a canister containing the Russian flag on the ocean floor from a small submarine at the North Pole."

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I'm trying to make sense of China's behavior (usually uses a patient approach to getting what they want), and to understand how far they will go to avoid a collapsed economy. Russia and China are positioning themselves to gain full control of resources and appear to be expecting a fight. If it takes another 3-4 years even - I see it as inevitable that we're looking at another world war - especially with weather changes (impacting crops), the way economies have been set up, as well as good old fashioned greed.

dragonridr

JayinAR
reply to post by Mamatus

 

First of all I do not disagree that China is war-like. What I SAID was that ALL Governments with the means to impose their will are equally corrupt. Meaning they all do so. The difference being that the US tends to not only engage in open combat, but create proxy conflicts. I shouldn't have to source this as it is obvious to all who take an even cursory glance at current affairs.

A source on what we know about making soldiers surrender? I will let you dig for that yourself. If you are truly interested that is.
Look into a company called Silent Sounds Incorporated.

They currently have some pretty snazzy tech in conjunction with the DOD that is being tested in North Dakota.
But during the Persian Gulf war their platforms were loaded onto what amounted to a remote controlled airplane with NO weapons platform and witnessed an Iraqi Colonel dance in circles with his hands above his head.

It is mind control via sound frequency.

You bought into a fairy tale for one the DOD does no testing in North Dakota i suggest you look where weapons are tested.

I laid out all the crumbs. I don't need some faceless name on the internet to verify what I said.
Look for yourself.

The Chinese are no military threat to the US and won't be for quite some time.

Economically? Maybe. But hell, they're already doing their best right now. The problem is that in geo-politics "might males right", and right now all the might lies with the US.

As is the US can continue this propped up debt-based farce indefinitely.

Mamatus
reply to post by dragonridr

 

I have to disagree. the USA gets 80% of it's consumable goods from China. Ever see what happens at Walmart on Black Friday? Or more recently, the chemical spill back east that affected 300,000 people. All the stores were out of bottled water in minutes and the National Guard had to be called out to supply water.

Now imagine the bum rush on the stores when China says no more to the USA.... People would kill each other over anything left on the shelves.

The reason why people bought all the water from Walmart shelves is because they didn't have any water at their house because the city water was possibly contaminated.That's why they bought all the bottled water from Walmart shelves. Oh, and by the way none of that bottled water came from China.

China as a country is in extreme desperate need for freshwater. China absolutely does not export any freshwater in any relevant Amount period.


-Alien

People, you forget that China holds many countries as primary exports. They export to many other countries not just the US very persistently and regularly. If the United States declared any form of open, hot or cold warfare on China many other nations (not, not just Muslim nations, go here if you don't believe me and prepare to have your mind blown), would, believe it or not, jump in on China's side. Not all of them mind you, but a lot that would make your head spin out of just how unexpected a development it would be to mainline, not-thinking-out-of-the-box-type thinkers.

When it comes to money EVERYONE is of the same religion.

beezzer
reply to post by Mamatus

 

The US is weak. It's economy is poor. It's foreign policy is poor. It can't afford a war with China.

As a matter of fact, I heard on one of the talk shows that if America got into a war with China, it would have to borrow more money from China, to fight China!

Which would be perfect for China to start a war. Our civilian leadership has no stomach for war. Our civilian leadership has no spine for war.

This alone would make it a perfect oppourtunity for CHina.

Funny Bunny...

Henry Kissinger: "If You Can't Hear the Drums of War You Must Be Deaf"
By Alfred Heinz 27/11/2011 09:40:00

Henry Kissinger, the most famous living practitioner of international statecraft
NEW YORK - USA - In a remarkable admission by former Nixon era Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, reveals what is happening at the moment in the world and particularly the Middle East. Speaking from his luxurious Manhattan apartment, the elder statesman, who will be 89 in May, is all too forward with his analysis of the current situation in the world forum of Geo-politics and economics.

"The United States is baiting China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We're like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it's bang bang. The coming war will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that's us folks.
This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete super state because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment."

"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people." Mr. Kissinger then added: "If you are an ordinary person, then you can prepare yourself for war by moving to the countryside and building a farm, but you must take guns with you, as the hordes of starving will be roaming. Also, even though the elite will have their safe havens and specialist shelters, they must be just as careful during the war as the ordinary civilians, because their shelters can still be compromised."
After pausing for a few minutes to collect his thoughts, Mr. Kissinger, carried on: "We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping-stone, i.e. Iran that will really tip the balance.

How long can China and Russia stand by and watch America clean up? The Great Russian bear and Chinese sickle will be roused from their slumber and this is when Israel will have to fight with all its might and weapons to kill as many Arabs as it can. Hopefully if all goes well, half the Middle East will be Israeli. Our young have been trained well for the last decade or so on combat console games, it was interesting to see the new Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 game, which mirrors exactly what is to come in the near future with its predictive programming.

Our young, in the US and West, are prepared because they have been programmed to be good soldiers, cannon fodder, and when they will be ordered to go out into the streets and fight those crazy Chins and Russkies, they will obey their orders. Out of the ashes we shall build a new society, there will only be one superpower left, and that one will be the global government that wins.

Don't forget, the United States, has the best weapons, we have stuff that no other nation has, and we will introduce those weapons to the world when the time is right."

reply to post by waltwillis


Your going to quote the one guy that makes Dick Cheney look like a nice guy? Hes not been right on any of his foreign policy prediction since vietnam.

dragonridr
reply to post by waltwillis

 

Your going to quote the one guy that makes Dick Cheney look like a nice guy? Hes not been right on any of his foreign policy prediction since vietnam.

He is the way I see it going down…and why it must be.

We are in debt way too far to ever pay back what we owe so that is why we will use a war to clime out of that hole.

Also, our government wants the folks in the cities to go away in a giant mushroom cloud as an excuse to nuke the countries that we are in debt too.

This will kill two birds with one stone as the useless eaters in the cities will be gone and that would provide an excuse to use our ultra secret weapons to eliminate any future threat to our nation…Got it?