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jmdewey60
Why is it "my" God?
It's just God.

It's not my God, ergo, it's your God...

If God was "all-powerful" then the bad things would have been made by this hypothetical person, making him bad.

The cosmic dragon would be "all-powerful" in a physical sense where it determines what happens generally in the material realm.

God is spirit and determines how things happen in a way that defies the material.

We're (of course) talking about bad things happening in the physical, material realm (reality)....

The "perfecting" is underway now and those participating in it will be the "survivors" whose work is multiplied in "that day"
Those who are not now, will not be in the future, so will be sidelined as irrelevant non-participants.

So the vast majority of mankind are now 'irrelevant non-participants'? who has poisoned you to think like this??

arpgme
If God create something, it's because he wanted it to be there. God is never angry because he is in control. If something happens that God doesn't want, he can just interfere (miracle/unlikely occurrence). God created evil because he wanted people to experience his love and kindness even more, and this human life, and death, is nothing when you realize the spirit is eternal.

So your God wanted evil to exist? so we would love him more????

It (your god) sounds like a narcissistic stone cold serial killer, and you think that's a good thing?

The fact that another human being that breaths the same air as me and share the same planet, can make such a statement and have it making perfect loving sense to them, is why I post on forums like this....holy moley

This is biblical morality???

And for those who want something in The Bible to back up what I'm saying:

For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone. - Romans 11:32

Sounds like what a gang of murdering, pillaging, primitive Jews would've written a few thousand years ago, amaright?

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You just shifted the source of the violence away from god to keep that image intact.

You don't know if that eternity of peace is ever going to come and now you are justifying any inaction for the same reason that you shifted the source of violence.

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Prezbo369
So your God wanted evil to exist? so we would love him more????

No, God created evil so that we can have free-will to live through destruction and evil or to choose Love (Because God is Love).

Prezbo369
Sounds like what a gang of murdering, pillaging, primitive Jews would've written a few thousand years ago, amaright?

Paul taught that morality was "treating others as you'd like to be treated". Doing this is the morality of God, that's why, both, Jesus Christ, and Paul said to do this is "the fulfillment of The Law".

God wanted everyone to be able to experience something other than his love. He didn't want to trap us in his love for all eternity, but to give us space to come and go. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you, and when you live in Love, you live in God, because God is love. That's the idea behind "God lives in my heart". Love is a force that is carried with us, if we choose to keep our hearts open to spread it .

reply to post by Prezbo369

It's not my God, ergo, it's your God...

Do you have an objective source of information about what God is like exactly?

We're (of course) talking about bad things happening in the physical, material realm (reality)....

Those bad things are natural in the form of existence that we live in, don't you think?
So what determines what is "natural" or not?
I would think that it is the nature of the universe, where things are created from things that are destroyed.
So it is the engine of the very creation of the universe that is the source of bad things, in our perspective, the loss of livable habitats and the decay of our own bodies.

So the vast majority of mankind are now 'irrelevant non-participants'?

I meant that as pertaining to a future time when things change from its creation phase, to its perfecting phase.
Those who cannot free themselves from the life and death cycle that governs our actions and go into a mode of working for the mutual good, will not be asked to join in that effort. They will be allowed to linger forever in a state where they cannot bring a destructive influence on those who are working for pure goodness and progress.

who has poisoned you to think like this??

This way of looking at the eternal cosmic truths comes from my travels in the spiritual realms, and not from some sort of teaching that is out there for people to pick up on.

jmdewey60
God uses everything for His purposes, whether they be good or bad.

God would not have created evil on purpose but it would have been an unavoidable outgrowth of creating a material physical universe.

The celestial dragon is the beast that was created to run its course in bringing the universe into existence, meanwhile God and all the sentient beings living within it are occupied with the daily struggles on a personal level.

One day the dragon will be put to rest and all those who have survived to that point will work on the perfecting of creation.

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Why do you say so.

Why would God create "evil"? God is pure and sin-free.

The evil is within the realm of soul, that is an independent entity from God.

The soul takes on evil character to a defect it has - attachment. Due to this flaw, soul wants physical possessions, get attached to other humans etc. The Vedic teacher tells about other defects as well - anger, greed, desire, ego. These five defects of soul overpowers a soul to becoming an animal or worse, if the knowledge of God, and rules of God is not given to a human.

reply to post by GargIndia

Why do you say so.

Say so . . what?
That God is not "omnipotent"?
There is this problem called the Epicurean Paradox that goes like this,

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
en.wikipedia.org...

My solution is that God is not omnipotent, if it is a choice between Him being either evil or not omnipotent.

Why would God create "evil"? God is pure and sin-free.

I don't think that God did.

The evil is within the realm of soul, that is an independent entity from God.

Nature itself is "evil" as it is currently found in the universe as it exists.

The soul takes on evil character to a defect it has - attachment. Due to this flaw, soul wants physical possessions, get attached to other humans etc. The Vedic teacher tells about other defects as well - anger, greed, desire, ego. These five defects of soul overpowers a soul to becoming an animal or worse, if the knowledge of God, and rules of God is not given to a human.

The soul takes the character that is natural to it.
Only a spiritual means is capable of changing that.

I really like your reply. You have raised very good questions.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent."

God has given freedom to humans to act as they wish. The reason is that human specie is special and is the means to get closer to God and to true knowledge.

"Willing to prevent evil" means God taking freedom of action back from humans.

God does not take back what He has given, ever. So evil exists despite God being pure and true.


"Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent. "

God desired to create a world for souls and made the Universe.
Then he gave this Universe to the souls.
This state exists until the God take the Universe back, or the Universe is destroyed.
So we see the actions of souls.
God thus is not malevolent.

"Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?"

People are confused about the role of God in our life and in our environment.
We expect God to be 'king' but God advises humans to form a society and appoint kings.
Humans can solve their problems themselves as God has given humans all the abilities needed.

reply to post by GargIndia

Humans can solve their problems themselves as God has given humans all the abilities needed.

The natural universe does not give humans that ability, witnessed by history, up to current events.

God can give us that ability in a spiritual way.

Why do people assume automatically that "God" knows what evil or good even is? That is thinking small in terms of the Universe. The Universe is very big so what mankind does with their free will surely wails in comparison to the entire scope.
If we are given free will, does that not highly suggest there will be no interference, or why even bother in the first place with free will if you knew it wouldn't work. I am considering that "God" is supposed to see the future lol.....

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Why do people assume automatically that "God" knows what evil or good even is?

How would you know God's opinion by looking at how nature functions, since there is a difference between the material and the spiritual?

That is thinking small in terms of the Universe. The Universe is very big so what mankind does with their free will surely wails (pales?) in comparison to the entire scope.

The universe is very large, as in being beyond what we as humans can comprehend. Much less could we ever think of how we could control it. And I would extend that theory out to the power (or lack of) that an individual god has to control it either.

If we are given free will, does that not highly suggest there will be no interference, or why even bother in the first place with free will if you knew it wouldn't work.

Suppose if you could somehow see the universe in its entirety at a single glimpse, and that it then seemed like an organism itself, how much "free will" would you think that it had? And then consider how much more powerful that "will" would be, compared to something like yours, as an individual human being.

I am considering that "God" is supposed to see the future lol.....

Suppose that you were God and you saw ahead of time how a universe would turn out, would you create it anyway?

jmdewey60
How would you know God's opinion by looking at how nature functions, since there is a difference between the material and the spiritual?

I could not nor make any claims to but it stands to reason that if such an intelligence created everything they understand the cycle of life. The only difference I see between the material and spiritual is weather I look outside or in. There is no difference to me in what I perceive so I do not know what difference you are referring to. Would you care to elaborate on some differences?

The universe is very large, as in being beyond what we as humans can comprehend. Much less could we ever think of how we could control it. And I would extend that theory out to the power (or lack of) that an individual god has to control it either.

I agree

Suppose if you could somehow see the universe in its entirety at a single glimpse, and that it then seemed like an organism itself, how much "free will" would you think that it had? And then consider how much more powerful that "will" would be, compared to something like yours, as an individual human being.

I would compare that to a cell in my body. I never considered my cells to have 'free will' much less the fact that I am not even consciously controlling them but they keep me alive all the same. With that said I have no actual 'free will' in the sense that something can come along and interfere with me without my consent. Just because something is more "powerful" in force does not mean it has any leverage over another's "will" though. Will is will force is force, the fact is that I can choose termination before doing another's bid. It is all perspective

Suppose that you were God and you saw ahead of time how a universe would turn out, would you create it anyway?

Well, at this point I think we have anthropomorphized the subject enough to make it comical.
But for sh!ts and giggles I would do it. You see, I saw that in the end when it was all over another like me was born, so even though I knew the outcome, I still needed to go through the process.

jmdewey60
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Humans can solve their problems themselves as God has given humans all the abilities needed.

The natural universe does not give humans that ability, witnessed by history, up to current events.

God can give us that ability in a spiritual way.

Human civilizations almost perfect have lived before on earth, and may be living today on other planets.

Our home planet is riled by animosity between three very advanced one one not-so-advanced distinct human races. This is unique event and a unique occurrence. We must not generalize this.

We drag God into every discussion. Not good. God is not a scapegoat for all our problems.

The evil we see in humans today has a reason. But we must overcome this by positive thoughts and positive action.

jmdewey60
Do you have an objective source of information about what God is like exactly?

It should be clear to anyone reading any of this, that I do not think your God exists...

This way of looking at the eternal cosmic truths comes from my travels in the spiritual realms, and not from some sort of teaching that is out there for people to pick up on.

...travelling the physical realms, reality, the world, will uncover more 'truths' than any internalized trip you take at home.

arpgme
No, God created evil so that we can have free-will to live through destruction and evil or to choose Love (Because God is Love).

In what world is 'free will' being given just two options?

Paul taught that morality was "treating others as you'd like to be treated". Doing this is the morality of God, that's why, both, Jesus Christ, and Paul said to do this is "the fulfillment of The Law".

And is Jesus/God treating others like he would want to be treated? giving everyone just two options, love me or perish?

God wanted everyone to be able to experience something other than his love. He didn't want to trap us in his love for all eternity, but to give us space to come and go.

And all he could think of was to create evil???

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Prezbo369
In what world is 'free will' being given just two options?

In a world where only Truth and Falsehood exists.

Prezbo369
And is Jesus/God treating others like he would want to be treated? giving everyone just two options, love me or perish?

God is life, the perishing is what happens when you walk away from life.

God is Life/Love/Truth

arpgme

Prezbo369
In what world is 'free will' being given just two options?

In a world where only Truth and Falsehood exists.

What world would that be?

God is life, the perishing is what happens when you walk away from life.

Way to dodge the question.

God is Life/Love/Truth

Pics or it didn't happen.

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daskakik
What world would that be?

This one, either something is true or it is not.

daskakik
Way to dodge the question.

The question wasn't dodged. People lack God when they walk away from God and God is life.

Why is it that you get cold when you're at camp on a cold day and not next to the fire? Because you walked away from it. If you are at camp and you don't want to be cold, it's best to sit around the fire.

daskakik

Pics or it didn't happen.

The fact that Life exists should be self evident since you are a part of Life.

arpgme
This one, either something is true or it is not.

Yeah, that really doesn't answer the question as far as free will goes.

The question wasn't dodged. People lack God when they walk away from God and God is life.

Yes it was because that, like the answer above, isn't really addressing the question.

Why is it that you get cold when you're at camp on a cold day and not next to the fire? Because you walked away from it. If you are at camp and you don't want to be cold, it's best to sit around the fire.

While this is true you can't really prove that that is what god is like. It's just your opinion of what god is like.

The fact that Life exists should be self evident since you are a part of Life.

No, I need the pics.

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I don't even know for sure who God is, I know that Love/Goodness and the Spirit of Peace and Love exists and is so wonderful, that we always feel lacking in comparison and get back to work at trying to be that ourselves. But that what we call God, is this One Consciousness or All of Us on the perfected levels? Have no idea. Here on earth, that exact definition is shrouded in traps, so that its best to work on seeing the divine light in everyone and how wonderful and beautiful they all are, work on understanding that anyone going through what the other did would turn out roughly the same so to really love and help everyone. Be mindful of those around and not run with judgments, including for royal families and those abusing positions of power in this world. Thats all that matters.

And everyone here, you are wonderful beings filled with Love and Shine on the other side. You are wonderful and loved as you are, so give yourself a big hug.