Earth Wobble--Getting Worse?

reply to post by InCeNdIaDrAcOnIs

Mack then told me about how, a few months prior, the GPS systems had indicated a dramatic change in the Earth’s position. This change occurred over a several hour time period, and (according to Mack’s words), seemed as though the entire Earth had tipped over a few degrees, then slid back to its original spot…in a time-frame, of just a couple hours. All of this really didn’t surprise me that much,

What you are describing is physically impossible. One degree of latitude is over 100 miles on the surface of the Earth.

The stuff about GPS is utter rubbish. This should be "hoaxed".

reply to post by InCeNdIaDrAcOnIs


Could have just been one of the days a CME was released and messed with GPS satellites throwing his off a bit....I think that is pretty common when even fairly weak CME's are directed at them.

I now look foolish simply aiming my question purely at the point the OP was making about the 777 landing.

That's what you get for trying to be nice

Teeky
reply to post by InCeNdIaDrAcOnIs

 

Also I know this might sound crazy, but I saw the sky spilling over like a waterfall. And yes I was sober when I experienced this.

Woah, did you happen to get any photos? Do tell more, that sounds wicked!

The earth's axis has tilted a few times but since the degree of tilt is known, I'd think GPS would be recalculated for the change.

Japan

Chili

2013

We've had earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanos that have tilted the earth in the past few years but it's a pretty miniscule amount.

Well, rather than a pole shift, maybe it was localized disturbance of the ionosphere. DGPS should have been able to correct the aberration, unless the disturbance was so large that the differential corrections were out of range.

This Stanford Paper mentions that the SF area is in a zone where the decorrelation rate is 2 orders of magnitude higher than the nominal rate in the rest of the CONUS.

And, so as not to allow a good piece of doom porn to go to waste, here is some info from SpaceWeather.com:

On July 6th, the Interplanetary Magnetic Field's Bz turned South. This allows the Solar magnetic field to directly connect to the Earth's magnetosphere. It cancels the magnetosphere at that point, allowing the Solar wind to penetrate it.

On July 5th, the Earth was at aphelion. Since this only happens once a year, I figure this could add another "kink" to our doom porn scenario.

Anyway, it's all in good fun...



Dex

InverseLookingGlass

What you are describing is physically impossible. One degree of latitude is over 100 miles on the surface of the Earth.

The stuff about GPS is utter rubbish. This should be "hoaxed".

edit on 16-1-2014 by InverseLookingGlass because: quote added

Close. 1 degree of latitude is 60 nautical miles, about 69 statue miles. 1 degree has 60 minutes, so 1 minute of latitude is of course 1 nm. Very important things to know when offshore on a boat. Latitude is a function of distance, while longitude is a function of time where 15* of longitude equals 1 hour.

While I agree that the stuff about GPS is rubbish, I am a bit baffled that I have not been able to find an up to date location of magnetic north. There are certainly some indicators that a pole shift is imminent.

reply to post by waynos


I honestly have no idea. The only thing which I could think of, is the fact that when you spin a globe, you have a central point of axis. This point simply pivots in place, and does not move in physical location. Maybe this area was closer to the point of pivot, so the change was no as great, or vice-versa with some other airport, or whatever it may be.

Also with GPS, you have a device which works by triangulation, by measuring the distance between multiple stationary satellites. So, let's say that the world tilts, but the area where you are, does not move that much...lets say a geographic second or so. So in the movement, your actual distance from the GPS satellites has not changed. It would stand to reason then, that if you had a plane that landed according to GPS; the plane would land either ahead of the GPS location, or behind the GPS location. This is because that actual physical surface has moved, however the actual distance to the geosynchronous GPS satellites has not changed.

Another thing is, that this movement was supposed to have happened quite abruptly...like the globe tilted a second or two, or so, then went right back a few hours ago. I don't know about any of the technical ShItE about the actual mechanical operation of the planes and such, I am basically just repeating what I have heard.

But on a side-note, I have a permanent sundial i my backyard, which is something that the previous owner had put in. This thing is a concrete circle, that has bronze inserts which show the solstices, and equinox's; and is aligned with the north pole. It is also pretty cool, in that it marks the days by the highest point of the sun-- which is marked by a circular configuration around the north-side of the sundial. Anyways, from 1997 (when I bought the house), the positions of everything were damn near exactly right on. This was until right around late 2003-early 2004, which at that time, the positions of the equinox's/solstices/days started to become slightly askewed. This became progressive worse until 2011, when things really began to become really erratic. Suffice it to say, this thing has never moved, so whatever anyone says, we definitely have one of 2 things happening:

1. that somehow the sun is moving, wobbling.
or
2. That the Earth is wobbling.

I personally think that option 2 is the more logical solution.

choos
reply to post by InCeNdIaDrAcOnIs

 

this would be good and all.. but commercial airliners dont use GPS to land their aircraft.. they use a ILS which is airport dependant.. youd be crazy to land using GPS..

Even then it is rarely landed via ILS, most are VFR. But the approach is handled in many airports via GPS (RNAV) rather than the older VOR systems. So GPS surely does play into the landing of an aircraft.

To the specifics of the trip-7, that aircraft was low from the minute he began his RNAV approach. That is piss-poor piloting that lead to that, not some fantastical earth-wobble.

ETA: Not the source of whom I replied to...rather the OP. Sorry about that.

Also the source...I would question. FAA (if we assume that is who is maintaining the 'GPS' systems and radios )does not maintain the GPS systems more commonly known as ADS-B. We do maintain GPS clocks (see that, I am a technician for the FAA, so I would be interested to know what nonsense you are being fed), but as far as the receivers for ground based sensors (sounds like a misnomer, but it isn't.), that is contracted out (sadly). There might be a few airports where it was a test bed that the FAA had its own personnel maintaining them...otherwise it is an antenna that feeds into the ADS-B system and that is it. If it breaks, the FAA does not maintain it, it calls out the company that does.

Changing of the tilt would explain some weird global weather shifting geographically.

Not a bad theory OP.

I kinda got that "feeling" too. Whether this can be substantiated with some hard cold numbers...I don't know.

reply to post by DexterRiley


That is kind of what I was thinking. Either that, or that there was a shift/wobble in the Earth, which had occurred in such a way; that the area in question, did not actually experience a change in distance, from the corresponding GPS satellites which cover that respective area. Therefore, even though the physical location of the area had changed, there was potentially no corresponding change in the distances between the area itself; and the respective GPS satellites, which are used to triangulate the area's geographic location.

But, these are just my thoughts. Having experienced my own personal evidence for quite some time, in the change in the eccentricity of the orbit of the Earth; I am solid in my belief that the current Geo-physical position of our plant, is about to abruptly change.

Everyone is inclined to their belief. I am not trying to start any "doom", or whatever the hell you want to call it. I am simply stating something, that is what it is. That for some "unknown" reason, the orbit of our planet, is "wobbling like a drunkard".

reply to post by InverseLookingGlass


I don;t know the EXACT unit of geographic measurement ass... and as far as how much it could have been, it could have been a fraction of a second if you want to get precise.

And as far as saying that there is NO validity into the fact, that our planet's wobble HAS become erratic, is completely asinine in itself as well. For god's sake, the biggest idiot merely has to take 1 month out of their precious lives, and actually watch the cycle of the sun and moon, (specifically their location, and how "off" they appear); in order to witness the very fact for themselves.

But truthfully, it seems like nearly 95% of everyone on here, expects a poster to do absolutely EVERY facet of research.... and then spoon-feed them the results, so that they fulfill a "common belief".

For me, this site is ONLY about pointing out something that one has perceived, listing a bit of background info to explain the situation...and then it is up to the reader, to get off their fat azzess, and do a bit of research, so that they can form an educated opinion one way or the other.

There are no absolutes on this site. This site, is not an academically-administrated, and/or overseen enterprise.

InCeNdIaDrAcOnIs
reply to post by InverseLookingGlass

 

And as far as saying that there is NO validity into the fact, that our planet's wobble HAS become erratic, is completely asinine in itself as well. For god's sake, the biggest idiot merely has to take 1 month out of their precious lives, and actually watch the cycle of the sun and moon, (specifically their location, and how "off" they appear); in order to witness the very fact for themselves.

They're not "off." I've checked myself, many many times.

The North Star is still where I expect to see it. Due north and just under 30* above the horizon.

I'm still looking for up to date coordinates for magnetic north.