What is the difference between a Right wing anarchist and a Left wing anarchist?

wurzalgnu
reply to post by retsdeeps1

 

Sorry just had to point this out as it is a little bugbear of mine. Socialism is not a political system, it is an economic system that democracy, which is a political system can work perfectly well with. Would you call capitalism a political or economic system?

I agree that socialism is more an economic system, like communism, but hard to separate from a political system. Under socialism, government takes most all GDP (all income) and then distributes all goods and service to citizens. Yes, I guess you could link it to various other forms of government, like monarchy, but it is totalitarianism as is communism so doesn't fit well with real democracy as that requires independence and liberty. You can't have socialism and retain freedom of choice and private enterprise. So is totalitarians not a form of government and linked to socialism so it is both an economic and political system ?

ketsuko
I think your perception of left/right first depends on where you are from.

I think in Europe, it is more an axis between monarchy/fascism and socialism/communism with monarchy/fascism being right and socialism/communism being left. Of course, no matter which way you ultimately end up, you have an oligarchy totalitarian rule from the top.

In the US, the COTUS set up a different system that was supposed to be more about anarchy/liberty on one end with all other forms on the other. Anarchy/liberty is right and the others are left. The idea was to go as close to true anarchy as you could without tipping over. Your government is supposed to be the bare minimum you need to ensure your domestic security and provide some basic societal structure. The rest is supposed to be up to you as a free people. We are traveling far down toward the left end the more power we give government to arbitrate our lives and make decisions for us.

As for "right" and "left" anarchists, I don't think there are any meaningful distinctions between the two. A true anarchist, IMO, is someone who wants to watch the system burn and not replace it with anything else, so they will go wherever they think they can get the most anti-government, anti-system chaos generated.

What is neo-liberalism?

What is the difference between the political beliefs of noam chomsky and Murray Rothbard.

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite


Actually, communist and fascist are the same. Fascist like the Nazi were nationalist, which is the only major difference.

NAZI stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which means National Socialist German Workers' Party. They are socialist and leftist. The leftist don't like the relationship so they made up the fact that they were from the right. The right just means smaller government, which is contradictory to NAZISM that advocate a big brother government for control because they know what's best for u much like the leftist today.

reply to post by amfirst1



No. They called themselves national socialists to gather nationalist right wing supporters and socialist left wing supporters. While they did have a handful of vaguely left wing policies, their dominant ones of nationalism, totalitarianism, creating a master race and global dominance are all far-right ideas. Believing everyone is equal is in complete contradiction to the belief in a mater race or the idea women are inferior to men, should be banned from politics and placed in the same class as children.

Mein Kampf is mainly about anti-communist ideas, Hitler formed an alliance with the far right GNNP and was voted in by Conservatives.

reply to post by retsdeeps1


Socialism works as long as it is let to work, look at the Scandinavian model for example, I know that strictly speaking it isn't 100% socialism (more a mixture of capitalism and socialism) but what they have works well. Communism is more of a label and has been since it strayed away from what is was meant to be, the USSR weren't communist for example. They may have claimed to have been but what they had didn't benefit the community therefore it wasn't actually communist. You can have socialism and freedom of choice and private enterprise, again the Scandinavian model.

I think the big problem is the difference in definitions of right and left. Over here (UK) the right represents the wealth and the aristocracy and the left represents the workers and your average Joe, right is about greed and might and left is about sharing and helping your fellow man. As we are discussing anarchy partisan politics shouldn't come into it. So in the interests of the discussion I'll bring in Mikhail Bakunin, the father of collectivist anarchism. He more or less agreed with Marx but went a step further and said that if the community works together for the betterment of itself then no state control is necessary. Most people that I know that hold a philosophy of anarchy think this way, therefore anarchy is predominately left wing, at least in the world outside the US.

reply to post by amfirst1


If communism and fascism are the same then why is fascism anti communist? Why were communists persecuted and sent to concentration camps by the nazis? Or is it you still fall for the old because it says socialism in National Socialism then they must be socialist? Like another poster has already said it was a ploy to gain more votes.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


What is the difference between a Right wing anarchist and a Left wing anarchist?


A Right wing anarchist; pays their help, drinks domestic wine, wears white after Labor Day, can sometimes be found at Walmart.

A left wing anarchist; frees the help so that they are now jobless, whines about domestic issues, wears Labor t-shirts while unemployed, pickets Walmart.


badoom bish!

Errr.... this is a very strange question. How come Statists be anarchists?

Like... are there liberal Nazis and free-market Stalinists?

I can't answer your question Op, since it's filled with weird stuff like pop-tarts.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


Right Wing Anarchist still shower and use deodorant.

Can this be a joke and we all come up with punchlines?

LWA Didn't vote for Obama and the RWA didn't vote for Bush

reply to post by GrislyAddams


LWA lives in a box because he gave away all his stuff
RWA lives in a box next to LWA just to make him mad

Stuship
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman

 

Right Wing Anarchist still shower and use deodorant.

Ha. Your funny.

Why do people fear anarchism more than statism when statism has brought 2 world wars,used nukes, and killed over 262 million people?

Ok, tons of ignorance in here and I'm glad the OP asked the question instead of assuming or making things up like a lot of posters in here.

Anarchism is society minus government.

I wouldn't say there is a left or right wing but I guess you could generalize based on beliefs and where those beliefs tend to lean toward.


There is Anarcho- Socialist/Capitalist/Communist and I guess you could say so on and so on.

All it is is the method of how you want to run your society minus a centralized governmental planning entity. I don't even know how socialism and communism would be run without a centralized planning entity but some people do categorize themselves as such.

So there ya go.

Anarcho-capitalism, is pure capitalism that runs free without the interference of government (or absence of any government).

There are also non-aggression anarcho capitalists, who believe that the only way to prosperity through morality is that one must not use violence or the use of force to get what they want from others. So the idea of free trade and cultural exchange through peace is the perfect MORAL method of conducting society and civilization. You may choose to use violence or the use of force but you throw moral out of the window (are you a criminal, essentially).

reply to post by eLPresidente


Shut up logic terrorist.
Anarchism is evil. Statism is good. Droning civilians is loving. Statism is loving.
Statism gives us a new war every 5-10 years. That's wonderful.
War is love.

Spread love with drones.

John_Rodger_Cornman
What is the difference between a Right wing anarchist and a Left wing anarchist?

A 300 pound pig in the middle of both wings.

Second.

xuenchen
What's the real detailed definition of "anarchy"?

If it means less or limited or almost no government, then anything authoritarian, totalitarian is Leftist.
Ruling elite corporatism, nazism, communism, socialism, capitalism etc. etc. is all authoritarian and thus Leftist.

If the "ultra right" wing wants less government and authority, then they would be closer to the ultra anarchy theory.

Moderate "right wingers" (like U.S. republicans) would be slightly left of center.

Slightly right of center would work towards anarchy.

True "Open Free Market" would be ?

Thats utter tea party BS

The diffrence really is right wing you devolve into no or little goverment all at once.

With the left anachy you have a TRUE communisn stage which is just a stage that uses heavly govement to break up and destroy the ruling class and big buisness before devolveing into no goverment. Thats the Karl Marx way anyway.


And moderate right wing id left of center? What BS is that? Moderate right wing is slightly right of center, moderate left is left is slightly left of center or do you buy the American popaganda that there are no moderate left? All have full bloodied hard line commies lol:

reply to post by crazyewok


Karl Marx says Communism is ultimately "no government" ?

Can you quote some of that?

reply to post by xuenchen


Marx didn't say no government, but Bakunin did.

reply to post by amfirst1


I know that I have already replied but it bugs me when people enter political debates and don't actually understand what they are talking about.

According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, in liberal democracies the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists. As for the left wing they oppose nationalism and promote equality and include social democrats, social liberals, progressives and also some democratic socialists and greens and further to the left are varieties of communism, autonomism and anarchism.

xuenchen
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Karl Marx says Communism is ultimately "no government" ?

Can you quote some of that?

Its been a while since I had to study it but yes he did link Best link here source .Your going to have to do your reading though buts it there, sorry but your American propaganda is wrong.

But the point is the Communist stage was used to insure a "clean" slate. You destroy the old system and remove all the old leaders and big businesses and use the social engineering to get the population ready for the eventual removal of the state by trying to remove the self interest and greed aspects. The idea being if we skip the communist stage and go straight into the no government bit if our selfish self interest and greed don't pull us back into the old system the surviving ruling class will. So basically communism yes is big government but only to allow the complete destruction of the old system in ready for the new. Its mean to be transitional.

Put simpley communism = Tempoary big goverment to allow the destrution of the old system in preperation of the removal of state.

The problem is because of the big government stage communism is very early corruptible. As such Communism has more or less failed in every state its tried due to this as even if it starts well you eventually get a Stalin, Pol Pots or kim jong il that corrupt it and turn the revolution into a means of a dictatorship.


O and as a disclaimer I don't support Karl Marx or communism before some ATS sound bite monkey starts misquoting me Im just pointing out stuff I have had to learn