reply to post by tencap77
reply to post by tencap77
I went to a Catholic school, I'm assuming you're much older than me based on your experience. Liked it WAY more than any other school I attended.
I never got hit (no one did), we were told we didn't have to say the pledge if we didn't want to (and some kids didn't), the teachers would let us
discuss just about anything (including questioning religion), encouraged debate (even with the teachers) and embraced the students that weren't
Catholic. It's changed a lot, shoot we had sex ed in 4th grade (not from the priest smarty pantseses) and at that point I don't think the state was
mandating it. Transferred to a public school and basically didn't learn anything until my Junior year of High School (I left private school in 6th
grade). Knock the old Catholic schools but if I ever decide to poop out some kids (with my recent luck I'll be reproducing asexually) there is a
good chance I'll be sending them to one.
OP I think she raises some good points. I'm not all that impressed with her delivery. Comparing our current education system to prison seems a bit
much to me. I think it's a bad analogy and she took it too far. Her argument would be a lot more persuasive if she dropped the analogies and just
spoke to the issues within the current system.
A lot of her points weren't really points. They were vague comparisons with easy answers. Take the bells in schools and prisons. They're very
effective at alerting a large body of people, not some horrible oppressive pavlovian device. Or the raising hands as conditioning. Can you imagine
trying to teach if all the kids were just blurting out whatever came to mind? Yes, children are separated by age. Because the majority learn at
about the same rate. Those that need more help or are clearly excelling are put into different groups. This is not analogous to prison gangs. The
idea is laughable. That would be like comparing an IT department to the Aryan Nation (OK perhaps that was an apt comparison).
Milgram experiment is a weird one. There are things that bother me about bringing it up in this context. I don't believe that this test has been
repeated in a country that employs a different education system. So alluding (not so vaguely) to this as a result of our education system instead of
plain old human nature is disingenuous. It was conducted with 40 men, a long time ago (education system has changed since), and I doubt the group was
all that diverse. I don't think she can say that 'regardless of age, race, creed or sex'. I don't remember off hand if the group was diverse,
but I doubt it, and it failed to account for 1/2 our population. The mallet she had to use to make that square peg fit that round hole must have been
The prison comparison and the 'oppression' nonsense rankles me. Kids are stupid. Kids need rules. Kids have rules at home. Are you parents out
there going to admit that you're raising a brood of little Eichmanns because you don't let your kids drink beer and play chicken with cars? Of
course not. They are kids. They don't GET to have free choice and do whatever they want. They have to go to bed at a certain time, eat their
vegetables, brush their teeth and if they don't follow the rules they get in trouble. Basically like what happens at school. If you see your kid
smack another kid they don't get a freaking trial. They get a timeout.
I agree with her about grades. It seems an archaic way of... uh... grading (the way it's set up anyway). I agree that for the fringes on the bell
curve a normal classroom environment is unsuitable (even after you take out the slow ones and the smart ones). I would love to see smaller class
sizes. I would love to see schools be able to focus on something other than memorization. Being able to memorize some BS filler that's forgotten a
day after the test is NOT learning. I remember having to memorize all the South American countries. I remember two, and that is two too many. I
would love to see schools addressing different learning styles. I would love to see the pay for teachers shoot up, so that schools could be more
choosy about who they hire. Get rid of the text book teachers, and attract the ones that were otherwise be too smart to become teachers.
Thanks for posting the video OP. Makes me want to do some more thinking about our education system. I do care quite a bit about this topic as I am a
High School dropout.