Americans Died, Obama Lied!

reply to post by xuenchen


"We learned from Lieutenant Colonel Gibson in our last hearing during the Benghazi briefing on June 26 that no stand down order was ever given."

From: armedservices.house.gov... pg6 of The declassified documents.

This indicates that the Administration did not order anyone to stand down in response to the attack

Also:

"So 2-1/2 hours after the attack
it sounded like the State Department was saying that this was a terrorist
attack.
General Ham. Sir, I don't recall seeing the State Department Ops
Alert. I do remember the statement by Ansar al-Sharia that they were
responsible. That wasn't terribly surprising. Sometimes in
incidents like this you have a group claim responsibility whether they
actually ~ad a role or not. We didn't know -- I didn't know at that
point who might have had responsibility. "

Page 39 from declassified documents: armedservices.house.gov...


Again this shows us that there was a high level of chaos in the immediate aftermath of the attack, the intel was clearly murky. Stop with the disinfo and actually read the documents before you post partisan news.

WeAreAWAKE
reply to post by EA006

 

For the sake of the country, we can only hope.

Your country, but then will the collapse stop at your border? I'm not so sure.

Vipassana
As far as I have seen, there still isn't any real clarity on who the perpetrators of the attack where. Whether it was disgruntled Muslims angry about a video or an al-Qaeda affiliate was evidently not easily determinable in the immediate aftermath of the attack.

The fact remains that terrorist attack or not, an attack happened quickly enough the U.S. forces could not respond in time. The Obama administration has briefed congress on this multiple times, as well as made changes to how it deploys security at embassies abroad.

Republicans continue to bring up Benghazi to distract from their political problems like Chris Christie and plummeting poll numbers. And let's keep it simple, that's all this really is anymore.

The only FACT presented here, in the OP is that Obama lied to the American people about Benghazi. Please try to stay on topic. I believe that is a rule around here. Just because you don't like it...doesn't mean it isn't true.

Here's a image from the link that hasn't been 404'd yet. Just in case.

Helious
How many links you want guy?

How about some links that you have actually read?

your first link states...

Mr Hicks said a unit of American commandos had been ordered to board a Libyan aircraft in Tripoli and fly to Benghazi hours after the assault began

So how long did the assault take, thenlook at how long it would take to board a plane, take off, fly 650km, land, unload the plane then get to the attack site...

reply to post by WeAreAWAKE


"General Ham. Frankly, sir, the initial discussions that I had
with General Dempsey and with Secretary Panetta were less about the
origins of the attack and much more about, initially, very focused on
where is the Ambassador and what action may be necessary to recover
him. That was a very specific focus.
Once it was known that he had been killed and his remains were
accounted for, then frankly it was get the people out of Benghazi, with
the assistance of the Libyans, which they had assured, but obviously
it didn't pan out that way. And then our focus started to shift pretty
quickly, my focus started to shift pretty quickly again into what
capabilities do we need to find the perpetrators so that from a military
standpoint I could offer courses of action to the Secretary to account
for those. "

Page 49, armedservices.house.gov...

Again from the declassified documents. Those in charge did not have time to classify this as a terrorist attack, they were focused on the response, which came too late due to military positioning issues.

Vipassana
reply to post by xuenchen

 

"We learned from Lieutenant Colonel Gibson in our last hearing during the Benghazi briefing on June 26 that no stand down order was ever given."

From: armedservices.house.gov... pg6 of The declassified documents.

This indicates that the Administration did not order anyone to stand down in response to the attack

Also:

"So 2-1/2 hours after the attack
it sounded like the State Department was saying that this was a terrorist
attack.
General Ham. Sir, I don't recall seeing the State Department Ops
Alert. I do remember the statement by Ansar al-Sharia that they were
responsible. That wasn't terribly surprising. Sometimes in
incidents like this you have a group claim responsibility whether they
actually ~ad a role or not. We didn't know -- I didn't know at that
point who might have had responsibility. "

Page 39 from declassified documents: armedservices.house.gov...


Again this shows us that there was a high level of chaos in the immediate aftermath of the attack, the intel was clearly murky. Stop with the disinfo and actually read the documents before you post partisan news.

Keep going...a lie is still a lie and the chaos wasn't still going on days later.

reply to post by howmuch4another

You aren't alone.
Most Republicans that I know want Christy's boat to be sunk.

reply to post by butcherguy


Agreed! I don't believe that BS either. But Christie isn't the POTUS.

zeroBelief
I'm far from being an english or grammar major....

But the first paragraph of that story looks to be one tragically long run-on sentence.

I could care less, really. But it just doesn't seem like something someone who writes for a living would write.

You could be right in that respect,
Let's say that it is a continuation of an earlier story, (dec2013) from Newsmax, with quotes from other insiders,

www.newsmax.com...

hellobruce

Helious
How many links you want guy?

How about some links that you have actually read?

your first link states...

Mr Hicks said a unit of American commandos had been ordered to board a Libyan aircraft in Tripoli and fly to Benghazi hours after the assault began

So how long did the assault take, thenlook at how long it would take to board a plane, take off, fly 650km, land, unload the plane then get to the attack site...

They had been fighting militant forces for hours, the special operations unit that was not allowed to board and depart on the C-130 was to assist and evacuate and it was not allowed. How long does it take to board an aircraft and fly from Tripoli to Benghazi? Who in the hell cares, time enough you would hope to save American lives, thats how long.

Your seriously implying that not doing anything was the better option than doing something? Do you even believe half of what you post, if so, your seemingly delusional in your logic IMHO.

Not authorizing support advised by people trained to carry out these types of missions who say they can help and instead, ordering them to do nothing or to stand down is criminal when you have been given the knowledge the attack is one of active terrorism. Period.

reply to post by WeAreAWAKE


More from the declassified documents detailing serious contradictions to your posted news article and responses within this thread:

"that is the kind of details we can give you
later, but it certainly should indicate to you that as this event
unfolded in the very early stages, the fact that the Secretary
II (redacted)
recommended and the President approved to alert and deploy th (redacted)
force goes to the seriousness at which we took the initial reports and
the uncertainty of the moment about what we could be getting into. "

pg 41: armedservices.house.gov...

reply to post by Helious


If you read the declassified documents you will clearly find that the President not only DID NOT order a stand down, but that he ordered a swift and strong response. It just came too late and no one within the upper echelons of the armed forces is denying that.

Edit:

After reading more of the documents it is clear that the attack was finished within an hour, and deployable assets arrived well after that time frame. This was due to assets being 400 miles away from the embassy, you can't easily stop an attack that is 400 miles away without killing friendlies in a fast time frame.

Vipassana
reply to post by Helious

 

If you read the declassified documents you will clearly find that the President not only DID NOT order a stand down, but that he ordered a swift and strong response. It just came too late and no one within the upper echelons of the armed forces is denying that.

Hmmm.

Did Obama or Hillary ever say that?

All they kept saying is the whole thing was because of a demonstration about some silly video.

reply to post by Vipassana


Where's the evidence that it was the video?

Where's the testimony that it was the video?

Where is anything that states that it was the video?

What totally amazes me, is that those that hate Obama, equate 4 American lives lost in an embassy attack, to a war that went on for over 10 years, and cost 1000's of lives on all sides, allies and enemies alike. Do you really hate this one man that much? If you do, psychiatric help is probably needed.

reply to post by beezzer


All they knew at the time was that it was a terrorist attack and the president responded accordingly, here's a dialogue between one the of the Generals and a congressional briefer,

"(U) General Roberson. He knew for sure at 5, because that's when he was
meeting with the Secretary of Defense and the chairman.
(U) The Chairman. Do you know of any direction or any orders he gave to
them?
(U) General Roberson. Yes. He told them to do everything we can to help
the situation.
(U) The Chairman. That's it?
(U) General Roberson. That's really all we need.
(U) The Chairman. That's all you need.
(U) General Roberson. To move out.
(U) The Chairman. To do everything you can.
(U) General Roberson. That's right. We came back and we had an
assessment of all the forces that could potentially be a factor in this, and we
ordered them, you know, to move forward. Now, it took about--
(U) The Chairman. But nobody did.
(U) General Roberson. Yes, sir. I hate to say it, but they did. There was a
lot of movement going on. The first things were happening purely by VOCO. We
were picking up telephones, telling the organizations, hey, this is coming your way.
You know, get ready. And they did. They started preparing right away. And then
it took a little bit of time to get the Secretary of Defense's vocal order, VOCO, to
approve all of this. You know, and it was-- there was-- you know, once the
President said go forth and conquer, there was not much else that we need other
than the Sec Def saying yep."

pg 52, armedservices.house.gov...

reply to post by Vipassana


You answered my question.

None.

Obama lied.

QED

Helious
How long does it take to board an aircraft and fly from Tripoli to Benghazi? Who in the hell cares, time enough you would hope to save American lives, thats how long.

So in fact you have no clue at all - and they were NOT ordered to stand down, as shown elsewhere in this thread!

I suggest you look at how long it would have taken to get there, then you would realise it was all over by then...

ordering them to do nothing or to stand down is criminal when you have been given the knowledge the attack is one of active terrorism

Again, they were NOT ordered to stand down..... do you even read what you post?

Vipassana
After reading more of the documents it is clear that the attack was finished within an hour, and deployable assets arrived well after that time frame. This was due to assets being 400 miles away from the embassy, you can't easily stop an attack that is 400 miles away without killing friendlies in a fast time frame.

According to some people here you must be able to!