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Germany's reaction to the Fukushima accident in 2011 was extreme, with Chancellor Angela Merkel making two decisions: one to order a shutdown of eight units that started operation in or before 1980 for a three-month moratorium period; and subsequently that those units may not be allowed to restart. Without consultation or reference to independent regulatory advice on the safety of the plants, the orders were executed by the German states which are home to the reactors.
crazyewok
Germans reaction was stupid.
The only reason japan had a melt down was because Japan where stupid enough to place there nuclear plant in a tsuanmi risk zone!
Germanys has no fault lines or tsuanmi risks.
I hate how the ignorant masses view EVERYTHING nuclear as bad.
Its holding us back. If we are to continue on our way of life with fossil fuels running out we have to go nuclear.
the owlbear
Ukraine wasn't at risk for earthquakes or tsunamis either...
Still went BOOM!
crazyewok
the owlbear
Ukraine wasn't at risk for earthquakes or tsunamis either...
Still went BOOM!
Because it was built on a shoe string budget with little to no saftey systems. chernobyl was very easy to prevent.
This is the thing as long as full safety measures are adhered to in it location(fukushima) and construction (chernobyl) saftey isnt a problem. Or is that too big of a complicated concept to understand?
the owlbear
If safety isn't a problem. And if the Chernobyl disaster was easily preventable...
Why did it still happen? Why is the land still unsafe?
It isn't hard for me to understand.
Chernobyl had safety systems. The operators bypassed them.
the owlbear
If safety isn't a problem. And if the Chernobyl disaster was easily preventable...
Why did it still happen? Why is the land still unsafe?
It isn't hard for me to understand.
Aazadan
the owlbear
If safety isn't a problem. And if the Chernobyl disaster was easily preventable...
Why did it still happen? Why is the land still unsafe?
It isn't hard for me to understand.
You should read a little bit about what caused Chernobyl. It was built as cheaply as possible with few safety systems, it couldn't even pump water in the event of a power loss. This is actually what caused the meltdown. They were trying to generate residual power from the turbines to get generators online (this wouldn't have worked btw) and had a test coming up, through a bunch of random events they had a team in place that had never performed the test, in order to simulate it they also disabled ALL safety systems. What happened afterwards is a bit of a mystery because everyone died and the recorders didn't catch everything, but things went wrong, they ignored it, and the reactor blew up.
The other reactors at Chernobyl were actually kept in use after the accident, the last one was shut off in 2000.
FyreByrd
Yep - nuclear power is safe at all levels. Right.
the owlbear
If safety isn't a problem. And if the Chernobyl disaster was easily preventable...
Why did it still happen? Why is the land still unsafe?
FyreByrd
Kinda like SL1 in Idaho I believe - Ever hear of that home grown nuclear disaster? Hanford is the very picture of clean and responsible nuclear power.
Yep - nuclear power is safe at all levels. Right.
You are correct about chernobyl - the very same 'conditions' apply in Japan, the USA - maybe less in Germany as they take their engineering very seriously - but when have US companyies involved in designing or building the plants you can be certain that the work was substandard and very profitable to a few.edit on 14-1-2014 by FyreByrd because: (no reason given)
Daz3d-n-Confus3d
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German engineers must have too. Check out the intake manifolds on the Audi and VW's with Audi engines.
Plastic, with plastic moving parts to actuate air intake. Total junk. I am no longer impressed with German engineering. Over rated from my stand point. Part wore out on my car under 40,000 miles, and it happens to most of them from what I read.
So, I am not so sure their Nuclear plants are any safer than ours. Just hope Audi engineers didn't design them.
Due to the costs "Energiewende" Germany now has Europe's highest energy costs. Costs have risen over the last 5 years even for industrial consumers who are exempted from the costs of the renewable energy subsidy that consumers pay. In 2013, energy was 4 times cheaper in the United States than in Europe, and 6 times cheaper than in Germany.[4]
Aazadan
FyreByrd
Kinda like SL1 in Idaho I believe - Ever hear of that home grown nuclear disaster? Hanford is the very picture of clean and responsible nuclear power.
Yep - nuclear power is safe at all levels. Right.
You are correct about chernobyl - the very same 'conditions' apply in Japan, the USA - maybe less in Germany as they take their engineering very seriously - but when have US companyies involved in designing or building the plants you can be certain that the work was substandard and very profitable to a few.edit on 14-1-2014 by FyreByrd because: (no reason given)
The nuclear experiments are the dark ages, there were a lot of accidents and safety mechanisms were terrible compared to today. Something Fukushima, Three Mile Island, and Chernobyl all have in common however is that they were all second generation nuclear plants. Third and especially fourth generation plants are orders of magnitude safer, even in this article they talk about plants built before 1980 which corresponds to the second generation plants. To date I don't think there have been any serious or even moderate nuclear accidents with the more advanced plants.
Then we can get into the whole harm index thing where nuclear by far has the lowest death count attached for the power generated.
crazyewok
The only reason japan had a melt down was because Japan where stupid enough to place there nuclear plant in a tsuanmi risk zone!