"Benefits Street" - Justifying cuts in welfare?

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Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you need some practice.

If you read what I have said, then you will see this is well within the established MO of C4 - if you don't know what Modus Operandi means, it means they do this all the time - it's like being surprised at a Daily Mail article which has a go at immigrants...

I never claimed to know all - you, however, should make yourself aware of the slants and ideological leanings of the various Media outlets before acting all mortified at something they do all the time.

Also, no where is it written that Documentary's have to be fair and balanced at all. They do not in the slightest and if you believe that, then again the egg's on your face.

EDIT: As for the complaints, OFCOM has only received a few hundred, out of the millions that have watched it. But, as usual, it only takes the vocal minority to kick off to make a scene.

stumason
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Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you need some practice.

If you read what I have said, then you will see this is well within the established MO of C4 - if you don't know what Modus Operandi means, it means they do this all the time - it's like being surprised at a Daily Mail article which has a go at immigrants...

I never claimed to know all - you, however, should make yourself aware of the slants and ideological leanings of the various Media outlets before acting all mortified at something they do all the time.

Also, no where is it written that Documentary's have to be fair and balanced at all. They do not in the slightest and if you believe that, then again the egg's on your face.

i have a enough knowledge to know that all programming on british t.v has to be fair and balanced. A Fox news would not be allowed on british t.v. like the iranian news channel they would be took of air. Documentaries are obliged to show both side of the arguments.
Do you really beleive that documentaries can show what they like? You should do a media studies course then you might have a wider understanding of broadcasting laws in the u.k

Edit; i never claimed you were a know it all just like i never said i watched expecting a "fair and balanced view"

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


No they don't have to be fair and balanced in the slightest. Of course, Producers can be encouraged to do so and no doubt you would have been in your Media course, but they are under no obligation. I think you're confusing "balanced" with "impartial" which they are obliged to be, but there is a difference. You can portray one side of a story and be unbalanced while remaining impartial. They don't give the Taliban equal airtime when they follow our boys around Afghan for example, but that is because they are not saying the Taliban are bad and our boys are good...

OFCOM has said it would only launch an investigation into the possibility that the programme may have broken rules with regards to promoting crime, in their words "that material likely to encourage or incite the commission of crime or to lead to disorder must not be included in television or radio services".

As for FOX News not being on TV in the UK, it is.

Channel 509 on Sky.

Same with RT and that is anything but "fair and balanced". I can continue with examples of channels and programmes if you want.

Edit; i never claimed you were a know it all just like i never said i watched expecting a "fair and balanced view"

You acted all indignant and said "so much for fair and balanced", which to any normal person says you expected it to be so. Perhaps you should make yourself clearer.

stumason
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No they don't have to be fair and balanced in the slightest. Of course, Producers can be encouraged to do so and no doubt you would have been in your Media course, but they are under no obligation. I think you're confusing "balanced" with "impartial" which they are obliged to be, but there is a difference. You can portray one side of a story and be unbalanced while remaining impartial. They don't give the Taliban equal airtime when they follow our boys around Afghan for example, but that is because they are not saying the Taliban are bad and our boys are good...

OFCOM has said it would only launch an investigation into the possibility that the programme may have broken rules with regards to promoting crime, in their words "that material likely to encourage or incite the commission of crime or to lead to disorder must not be included in television or radio services".

As for FOX News not being on TV in the UK, it is.

Channel 509 on Sky.

Same with RT and that is anything but "fair and balanced". I can continue with examples of channels and programmes if you want.

Edit; i never claimed you were a know it all just like i never said i watched expecting a "fair and balanced view"

You acted all indignant and said "so much for fair and balanced", which to any normal person says you expected it to be so. Perhaps you should make yourself clearer.

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Fox news is a subscription channel where as rt is not. The reason the taliban is not on t.v is because they are extremists.
And if you are impartial would not that infer balanced reporting? Was the program makers impartial when they showered the paticipants with gifts? Please list which programs on RT are less than fair or unballanced,breaking the set perhaps?lol
Channel 4 should have their license revoked for broadcasting utter propaganda.

symptomoftheuniverse
Fox news is a subscription channel where as rt is not.

Fox News is available to anyone with a basic package- on Sky, Virgin or other providers- you don't pay extra for it. Not that it matters, because you're moving the goalposts now. You originally said FOX wouldn't be allowed in the UK, whilst it quite clearly is.

symptomoftheuniverse
The reason the taliban is not on t.v is because they are extremists.

Kind of missing my point that I was making about impartiality. Try again.

symptomoftheuniverse
And if you are impartial would not that infer balanced reporting?

No, not in the slightest. Being balanced means you show both sides of a story, but there is nothing stopping you being balanced and coming down on one side.

Being impartial means you don't take sides. I thought you did a course?

symptomoftheuniverse
Was the program makers impartial when they showered the paticipants with gifts?

What gifts would these be? This is a genuine question as I've not heard of this.

symptomoftheuniverse
Please list which programs on RT are less than fair or unballanced,breaking the set perhaps?lol

All of it - I can't abide the spin they put on things, they are pretty much the Russian version of FOX.

symptomoftheuniverse
Channel 4 should have their license revoked for broadcasting utter propaganda.

They haven't done any such thing. In your opinion they have, but OFCOM doesn't seem to agree with you.

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Try this for starters-www.mirror.co.uk...

And you cant get fox without subscription, and how can you be balanced and come down on one side? Impossible.
And you thought wrong ,never studied media.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


Ok, so a Mirror article claims that they got bribed with "beer and cigs", which C4 deny but they admit buying food. Big whoop.

As for FOX, you're still dodging the issue. It is on British TV - you claimed, and I quote: "A Fox news would not be allowed on British t.v", when in actual fact it is. It matters not whether it's on Satellite or cable, they still have to abide by Broadcasting regs.

So why have a pop at me about not studying media, when you haven't done so yourself? Bloody hypocrite.

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Calm down calm down, i was merely being a mirror to your attitude. I appologise if i anger you,a friend who im sat with studied media.
And big whoop indeed, heads should roll at channel 4

Btw you have to pay for fox like you have to pay for sport,movies and porn. Big difference from free to air.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


I am calm, don't worry - That's the problem with "text", you don't get the same inflections if talking face to face.. Maybe I should have put a after

Anyhoo, OFCOM will no doubt probe the show but, it seems, only for possible breaches of "encouraging crime" which is hard to pin. As I said before, this is par for the course when it comes to C4 documentaries, they always pick an emotive subject and it always stirs up heated debate.

For example, I knew before I watched it that what I would see would probably make me "angry", but I was also aware that it was designed to do so, ergo, I didn't let it bother me as I knew it isn't a fair representation of life on benefits, but rather a heavily edited snapshot of a few families in a particular street.

symptomoftheuniverse
Btw you have to pay for fox like you have to pay for sport,movies and porn. Big difference from free to air.

No, you don't. It comes as part of the basic package with all the other news channels. I don't have Movies, Sport or Porn yet receive FOX amongst many other channels.

stumason

symptomoftheuniverse
Btw you have to pay for fox like you have to pay for sport,movies and porn. Big difference from free to air.

No, you don't. It comes as part of the basic package with all the other news channels. I don't have Movies, Sport or Porn yet receive FOX amongst many other channels.

Do you not pay for your basic package?

Agreed that immigrants are not the problem- their orignal countries pay the uk to pay any benefits they incur. the real prolem lies with the rich who are taking money and reourcesfrom us. we need to unite, woman and man, black and white, poor and not-so-poor, against our oppressors.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


Moving the goal posts again, I see... You said I had to pay for them like Sports and Movies, which you don't....

Yes, I do pay for my basic package but as I said, they must abide by the same regs as all other channels broadcast within the UK.

Remember, you said FOX wouldn't be allowed to be broadcast in the UK - it is.

The only reason it (and a great many other channels) are not on Freeview is simply down to bandwidth constraints on the platform.

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oh dear, you can pay for anything,you can stream any channel from around the world over the internet,it does not make it fit for free to air. Fox news is biassed and thats why its not on free to air. Fox news is subscription based like i said before,you have to pay. No goalposts moved.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


No, you are quite wrong and you know it. You do not "subscribe" to FOX any more than you "subscribe" to National Geographic, Discovery, Eden, Watch or a plethora of other channels which are also not available on Freeview. Like I said, the only reason it isn't on Free to air is because of bandwidth constraints - this is an area I know about, working in comms and incidentally working in a team which is, in part, directly responsible for BBC transmissions around the nation.

Either way, whether you subscribe or not, to be on a TV broadcast platform (and not the internet - moving those goalposts again) means it must abide by the same rules as every other channel. You said it couldn't be broadcast in the UK and it is, now you've been caught out your twisting and turning like a little worm.

stumason
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No, you are quite wrong and you know it. You do not "subscribe" to FOX any more than you "subscribe" to National Geographic, Discovery, Eden, Watch or a plethora of other channels which are also not available on Freeview. Like I said, the only reason it isn't on Free to air is because of bandwidth constraints - this is an area I know about, working in comms and incidentally working in a team which is, in part, directly responsible for BBC transmissions around the nation.

Either way, whether you subscribe or not, to be on a TV broadcast platform (and not the internet - moving those goalposts again) means it must abide by the same rules as every other channel. You said it couldn't be broadcast in the UK and it is, now you've been caught out your twisting and turning like a little worm.

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you can not watch Fox news without a subscription,paying for t.v is subscribing. Understand? You have to pay for it like you have to pay for national geographic,movies,sport and porn. Eden is free,unlike fox news. Cancel your subscription you lose fox news,you will not lose Eden. Cancel your subscription for porn you lose porn. Are you now going to tell me the only reason the Adult channel is not on freeview is because of bandwith issues? The only reason fox is on british t.v is because it is subscription,it allows them to get around our strict broadcasting laws. But you should know this shouldnt you?

Now who is squirming?

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


Eden isn't available on Freeview, you can only get it on Sky or Virgin, ergo you have to pay a "subscription". You're understanding of TV broadcasting is clearly limited.

I never said Adult TV isn't on Freeview because of bandwidth issues, because it is, but you have to pay quite a high fee to watch it. I did, however, say that many channels are not on Freeview because of bandwidth issue, such as FOX and Eden.

It matters not if a channel is on Freeview, Sky or Virgin - they all must abide by the same broadcasting regs.

EDIT: I'm not squirming, not in the slightest. I am, however, getting somewhat irritated by arguing the toss with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.

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Eden is free to air,it is not subscription. Where did i say it was on freeview. Cancel your subscription to sky you can still watch over 200 channels for free.and eden is one of those free channels,Fox is not- Da dah

You realy are digging a big hole for yourself,get a ladder

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


Er, what? You cancel your subscription and the service goes off. No TV at all. If you're thinking of Freesat, you need to fork our for a whole new decoder before watching any TV. You're getting yourself all tied up in knots.

FOX News is a free-to-air service, in that you do not pay for it - it comes with the most basic of subscriptions but is not on the Freesat platform because they haven't yet done a deal with Freesat to carry their channel. For a long time, FOX (the entertainment channel) itself wasn't available on Virgin and for that matter, Sky One was removed off Virgin owing to a contractual dispute.

There is a difference between a channel being a "subscription" channel and simply not being on a particular platform for contractual reasons. Either way, any channel broadcast in the UK on any platform must adhere to our broadcasting regs, whether you "pay for it" or not.

Besides, you're still totally missing the point - You claimed that FOX wouldn't be allowed to be broadcast in the UK - it is - You're trying to get me bogged down in technicalities but doing woefully bad at that as well.

symptomoftheuniverse
Eden is free to air,it is not subscription. Where did i say it was on freeview.

Eden is only available on Sky by subscribing to the correct package, the same with Virgin. It is on Freesat, but you have to pay £100 for a box. It isn't on Freeview. You never said it was and for that matter, I never said you said it was but that is the only "free" service in the UK and it isn't on there, which was my point.

Anyway, I'm done labouring this point with you.

double post..