2012 US Spent 541 Million For Population Control - 1 Baby Killed Every 96 Seconds With Your Tax $

reply to post by elouina


I know. My chest aches just to think about it. I simply can not understand how anyone can excuse it away. I really can't. If anyone of basic intelligence were to look at a fetus from about the tenth week on, there is no denying it. Anyone who has been educated as to what happens during abortions...I simply can't understand.

I explained it to my daughter once like this: We had a friend was about 12-16 wks pregnant at the time, with two young girls already. One of them was around five years old. I asked my daughter if she could imagine what the five year old would say if her mommy came home without the baby inside her anymore? She would ask "Mommy, where is the baby?" What would mommy say? "Sorry honey, but I just didn't feel like having another baby right now, so I had it killed." Can you imagine what that little girl would do or say? "What? You killed the baby? Why would you kill the baby Mommy? You're a murderer! You killed the baby! Are you going to kill me too?"

A five year old would EASILY understand this.

Frankly, if my tax money goes into this and the end result is people who have less burdens placed upon themselves, mentally & financially, and if it may coincide with the reduction of yet another social program burden for people to bitch & drone about, I'm ok with that. If now is not the right time for Miss Smith to have a baby, then it is not. Your bleeding (and bleating) heart can't change that. As a society, we should either have the stones to step up & be a little more socially hardcore (i.e take care of allllll these people who'd be dependent otherwise, putting money where mouths are with zero right to complain) or let people decide if they want that offspring at this juncture in their life or not. I've known people who've had abortions, and those who decided not to. They chose the right decision for each of them, and it's no one else's place to pitch a fit. Did any of them use PP? Eff if I know, I don't make it a habit to get all up in other people's intensely private choices.

It's not up to me whether or not someone gets an abortion. I can't micromanage others like that, and despise people who think they should be able to. Despicable authoritarian wannabes in sheep's clothing you are.

reply to post by Nyiah


So then are you saying that you support the extermination of the negro race and removing human weeds that should never have been born? This was the dream of the founder of Planned parenthood. Eugenics and population control supported by our government is what the thread is about.

I have a terrible headache and need a very long hot bath.

reply to post by elouina


My, aren't you all cute trying to make it look like I said something I certainly did not. Whatever you're reading into abortion services, I'm not. I'm in full support of someone choosing their own reproductive path, even if it means having an abortion. You seem to not like anyone who's not in line with your views here, that much is obvious. But trying to say I'm all for blacks being eradicated because I said I have no problem with my tax money being used for an abortion just erodes you own credibility. If the money was being used to drag people in in the dead of night & forcefully abort/sterilize, I'd certainly have a fekking problem with that, there's a blatant removal of freedom there, hon. The same freedom is removed when you bar or want to bar people access because you have an issue with it.

Keep you hands out of another's uterus, eh? Unless they want them there, that is.

okamitengu
so, its ok if your army uses your tax dollars to kill foreign babies?
but you cant have mothers decide the fate of their own foetuses?

not if that uses your tax money?

I don't know is it ?

Since the creation of Rowe V Wade more people have been killed in the name of 'reproductive rights' than the last 60 years of warfare.

www.lifesitenews.com...

That is over 54 million people who will never take a breath of fresh air or know like how totally awesome the people are who say their mothers can kill them.

The biggest GD difference between warfare and abortion ?

In warfare people actually have the ability to run, or fight or go off an tangents saying how evil 'war' is.

I beg to differ.

A so called 'civilized' society knows abortion is abhorrent.

Sure there are quite a few people make a 'justiification' for it.

And quite a few people shout the rights of the person, but then they move the line and what 'qualifies' as a person.

Then go off to the next political talking point in telling people 'don't kill them trees' !

Don't step on that plant!

The Earth is a person!

A fetus is a person, and is afforded all the same rights as WE ALL HAVE.

The ability to procreate is the most awesome ability we as human beings have.

GD shame some people think it is a GD burden, and expect someone else to pay for their sex lives.

In more ways than one.

This case abortion.

reply to post by buster2010

First people are complaining about blacks taking up welfare and other social services and then they complain if they want to keep from having a child.

Gee maybe if a certain political ideological group was against abortion they would have more voters instead of killing them, and trying to make foreign citizens 'legal'.

Nyiah
reply to post by elouina

 

My, aren't you all cute trying to make it look like I said something I certainly did not. Whatever you're reading into abortion services, I'm not. I'm in full support of someone choosing their own reproductive path, even if it means having an abortion. You seem to not like anyone who's not in line with your views here, that much is obvious. But trying to say I'm all for blacks being eradicated because I said I have no problem with my tax money being used for an abortion just erodes you own credibility. If the money was being used to drag people in in the dead of night & forcefully abort/sterilize, I'd certainly have a fekking problem with that, there's a blatant removal of freedom there, hon. The same freedom is removed when you bar or want to bar people access because you have an issue with it.

Keep you hands out of another's uterus, eh? Unless they want them there, that is.

edit on 1/13/2014 by Nyiah because: (no reason given)

I have no choice in the issue since my tax dollars support this. So you can do away with your cutsie borrowed phrases.

And I am not putting words into your mouth. This thread is about the US supporting abortions done by a company that was founded on those very beliefs.

Woman can do whatever they darn well please, but government support of this is eugenics and population control.

Black babies aborted: 15-16 million since 1973
Jewish Holocaust victims : 5.8 million
# Blacks lynched by KKK in 86 years: 3,446 (4 days worth of abortions)
# blacks in US now = 36 million

reply to post by elouina


maybe there are 149 abortions / one adoption [ if this stat is indeed true ] - because women don't want 9 months of pregnancy and the ordeal of childbirth / possible C-section ??????

ignorant_ape
reply to post by elouina

 

maybe there are 149 abortions / one adoption [ if this stat is indeed true ] - because women don't want 9 months of pregnancy and the ordeal of childbirth / possible C-section ??????

But how are we to know 100%? The government needs to get out of the abortion business. Especially with a company (Planned parenthood) that was founded on the principles of extermination of the negro race etc... And is planted deep in minority and poor communities... This is a conflict of interest. This is my point.. Plus they promote a CULTURE of abortions.

Did you see my numbers up above? There should easily be over 54 million blacks in the US right now vs. 36 million.

It is an absolute shame to see the outlandish rhetoric and gutter propagandizing presented here.

These posts are riddled with inaccuracies, misrepresentations, dishonesty and outright lies:

1. Abortion of a fetus is not murder. This is pure sensationalism. If you believe that abortion is murder, then don't have an abortion. Most people in the US (Source - The Abortion Consensus) do not believe that abortion is murder. "A recently CNN poll finds that 68 percent say that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. A recent WorldPublicOpinion.org poll asked, 'Do you think the government should be involved in trying to discourage abortion or do you think the government should leave these matters to the individual,' and 69 percent said that the matter should be left to the individual."

Further, of the 29 percent who said that the government should be involved in trying to discourage abortions, a remarkably low 8 percent favored using criminal enforcement methods. (Ibid)

You don't have the right to control other women's bodies!

2. Spontaneous abortion (by the mother's body) occurs in between 30 and 40 percent of all conceptions. (Source - New York Times Article) About one in every 160 pregnancies in the U.S. ends in a stillbirth, which adds up to about 26,000 each year nationwide. (Source - Scientific American)

Are all these women, some of whom don't even realize that they are pregnant, also "murderers"?

3. Margaret Sanger did not 'found' Planned Parenthood. She founded a birth control clinic in 1916 in New York. This clinic was reorganized into the American Birth Control League in 1938. In 1942 this League became part of a larger organization the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. (Various sources)

4. Margaret Sanger believed that birth control, sterilization and abortion should be voluntary and not based on race. (Source - New York Times)

5. Sadly, racially-based eugenics was all too common a philosophy and practice in early 20th century America even until World War II. In fact, the programs promoting such in America were the inspiration for similar programs in Nazi Germany. (The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism)

6. The implication that abortion is all that Planned Parenthood does is simply a lie. In 2009, Planned Parenthood provided 4,009,549 contraceptive services (35% of total), 3,955,926 sexually transmitted disease services (35% of total), 1,830,811 cancer related services (16% of total), 1,178,369 pregnancy/prenatal/midlife services (10% of total), 332,278 abortion services (3% of total), and 76,977 other services (1% of total), for a total of 11,383,900 services. The organization also said its doctors and nurses annually conduct 1 million screenings for cervical cancer and 830,000 breast exams. (Source -Planned Parenthood Services)

To reiterate, only 3% of the total services offered by Planned Parenthood each year support abortion.

7. The Asinine "My Tax Dollars" Chestnut: Individual "tax dollars" do not spread evenly across every government expenditure. It is just as likely that the entirety of an anti-choice activist's tax dollars went to part of a bomb used in Iraq or Afghanistan, or drones that kill wedding-parties, or to maintain the American nuclear, biological or chemical weapons stores.

reply to post by Gryphon66


For once, a voice of levelheaded reason. Using "murder" to describe pregnancy termination cheapens the word. I couldn't care less about microscopic tadpoles in someone's midsection, no matter what type of DNA they contain.
And now, I must resume my resolve to keep my head out of abortion threads.

EllaMarina
reply to post by Gryphon66

 

For once, a voice of levelheaded reason. Using "murder" to describe pregnancy termination cheapens the word. I couldn't care less about microscopic tadpoles in someone's midsection, no matter what type of DNA they contain.
And now, I must resume my resolve to keep my head out of abortion threads.

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If they were just doing these abortions when the baby is the size of a tadpole ....then you would have an argument but since they just had several cases in Texas where the abortionists (or murderers) were cutting the necks of the babies with scissors and then the nurses freaked out because the baby was so big and often not dead so then they would have to kill it once it was out of the womb and suffering.....well....then your tadpole comment really is just an example of your brain size.

Hey,....I mean the Greeks used to just throw their babies off of cliffs for the slightest imperfections.....let's get back to that!!!

reply to post by Gryphon66


Isn't it nice when you sugar coat things. Sanger was a racist, KKK member, radical and convicted murderer. All of her books are online so you can't cover up the truth. Her biography is something else and those interested should stop by to see what the founder of Planned Parenthood was all about.

Margaret Sanger Quotes, History, and Biography

Here are some sporadic excerpts from this evil woman's unfortunately very lengthy biography. If I could go back in time, I would have forced an abortion on her mother.

By 1911, Sanger had moved to New York City, where she became heavily influenced by anarchist, socialist, and labor activists. She began joining and participating in radical groups and causes.

After the failed terrorist attempt, Sanger wrote a commentary, calling the deaths a display of “courage, determination, conviction, a spirit of defiance.” She argued the “real tragedy” was “the cowardice and the poisonous respectability” of the movement’s leaders who offered apologies, rather than defiance, for the episode. Sanger urged those in the movement to “accept and exult in every act of revolt against oppression,” including terrorist acts. She also published a complementary article that defended the assassination of political or industrial leaders.

August 1914, Sanger was indicted for inciting murder and assassination, and for violating obscenity laws. But instead of facing the charges, she fled the country. On the trip to England, after the ship had entered international waters, Sanger instructed her supporters to distribute 100,000 copies of her pamphlet, Family Limitation. In February 1916, the charges were dropped.

Sanger rejected positive eugenics, while embracing negative eugenics. She wrote, “Like the advocates of Birth Control, the eugenists, for instance, are seeking to assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit. Both are seeking a single end but they lay emphasis upon different methods.” She stressed the need to merge eugenics with birth control, adding, “Eugenics without Birth Control seems to us a house builded upon the sands. It is at the mercy of the rising stream of the unfit.”

The bottom of the matter was “to create a race of thoroughbreds.” So the government, Sanger concluded, needed “to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring” and “to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.”

Ok now on to a bit of history about how Planned parenthood was formed.

She had a plan. And she was about to get an organization. In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which (following a 1939 merger with the Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau and then a 1942 name change) became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. While the organization was growing, the close association between the birth control movement and the eugenics movement had made a name change necessary. Nazi Germany had implemented racial hygiene policies, including mass sterilizations, inspired by the eugenics movement in America. So “birth control” was removed from the name to create a new public image. The agenda, though, stayed the same. And in 1948, Sanger helped form the International Committee on Planned Parenthood, which (in 1952) became the International Planned Parenthood Federation.

Through it all, the underlying theme, eliminating the unfit, never changed. In her 1922 book, The Pivot of Civilization, she attacked charity as counterproductive, and dangerous, for helping the poor to produce even more “human waste.”

Now lets move on to forced sterilization, oh yes she had an impact on this also.

Sanger’s impact during her lifetime was highly negative, and included the cruelty of forced sterilization, which became a common practice. In America, over 60,000 people were sterilized against their will. And most occurred during the 1930s and 1940s when Sanger and the birth control and population control movements were pushing states hard to enact and enforce compulsory sterilization laws. Among the victims were the blind, the deaf, epileptics, the mentally retarded, the mentally ill, and people with low IQs diagnosed as “feeble-minded.”

Oh gosh, go read her biography, that woman was pure evil.

I can't even stand to read the comments in this thread anymore...it literally makes me sick to my stomach.

Everyone will answer for their actions at some point.

As I said before, God help us.

reply to post by elouina

Yes, I am saying that they are trying to wipe out the poor and blacks. So you admit that you feel that is exactly what they are doing? And you think this is right?

Yes they are trying to wipe out the poor but to think they are trying to wipe out just the blacks is just plain crazy. And if you were to do some traveling around this country you would see there is no program to wipe out the blacks. I do not think that I have a right to tell a woman what to do with her body that right is her's alone.

ignorant_ape
reply to post by elouina

 

maybe there are 149 abortions / one adoption [ if this stat is indeed true ] - because women don't want 9 months of pregnancy and the ordeal of childbirth / possible C-section ??????

People that complain about this need to look into the adoption process in this country. It has gotten extremely hard to adopt kids in America. That is why they go to other countries and buy kids.

neo96
reply to post by buster2010

 

First people are complaining about blacks taking up welfare and other social services and then they complain if they want to keep from having a child.

Gee maybe if a certain political ideological group was against abortion they would have more voters instead of killing them, and trying to make foreign citizens 'legal'.

Funny you start talking about the Republicans then switch to Democrats. And what does illegal immigration have to do with this? You can't think of anything about the Democrats so you try to bring in something totally irrelevant to the thread. How pitiful but typical for you.

neo96
reply to post by buster2010

 

First people are complaining about blacks taking up welfare and other social services and then they complain if they want to keep from having a child.

Gee maybe if a certain political ideological group was against abortion they would have more voters instead of killing them, and trying to make foreign citizens 'legal'.

Funny you start talking about the Republicans then switch to Democrats. And what does illegal immigration have to do with this? You can't think of anything about the Democrats so you try to bring in something totally irrelevant to the thread. How pitiful but typical for you.

But how are we to know 100%? The government needs to get out of the abortion business.

Until a better solution is IN PLACE, this had better not happen. Would you like to see the "back alley" abortions come back? Because if you say yes, you know absolutely NOTHING about how bad they were. I had an older member of my family that has first hand experience with that.
The fact that she was on her death bed, managed to somehow survive, although with severe damage to her body, and still thought until she died that women should have a choice, in a CLEAN AND SAFE environment, sure made a statement for the women in our family.

as a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this,”
Pelosi

When they start calling it sacred it reaches a new level

And when it becomes ritualistic, it becomes more like the rituals to Molech,

Hollywood fundraises for Texas abortions with ‘Night of a Thousand Vaginas!’

Read more: dailycaller.com...

dailycaller.com...

The event, titled “A Night of A Thousand Vaginas!” will take place at the Largo at the Coronet in Los Angeles and is being billed as an “emergency benefit to help Texas women” who have been affected by Texas’ new abortion restrictions passed in the state over the summer.

Sponsored by
“A is For is organizing this emergency benefit to raise money for Texas abortion funds (Lilith Fund, TEA Fund, Whole Women’s Health Action Fund, and Fund Texas Women)

Lilith

Lilith A female demon of the night who supposedly flies around searching for newborn children either to kidnap or strangle them.

A female demon of the night who supposedly flies around searching for newborn children either to kidnap or strangle them. Also, she sleeps with men to seduce them into propagating demon sons. Legends told about Lilith are ancient. The rabbinical myths of Lilith being Adam's first wife seem to relate to the Sumero-Babylonian Goddess Belit-ili, or Belili. To the Canaanites, Lilith was Baalat, the "Divine Lady." On a tablet from Ur, ca. 2000 BCE, she was addressed as Lillake.

www.pantheon.org...

They really are not trying to hide it.

Massacre of Innocence

www.revisionisthistory.org...

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, is perhaps the best 20th century example of the destructive power of spiritual deception. That she was wallowing in deception can be seen in a quote from a book written by an admirer: "She had tried to dispel depression by sex, travel, Rosicrucianism (a cult), numerology, now she tried a new panacea - astrology." Sanger was a confirmed adulteress who consistently and publicly supported a "woman's right to destroy." She became deeply involved with Havelock Ellis, a modern day false prophet who advocated a variety of bizarre sex practices supposing them to be the keys to spiritual enlightenment and power. For Margaret Sanger and her militantly (even religiously) promiscuous lifestyle, abortion became a necessary backup for contraceptive failure.

A more recent example can be found in a newsletter published by the National Abortion Federation. It provides an account of the 1985 national convention. One of the speakers was Carter Heyward, an ordained Episcopal priest who has been active for many years in the feminist movement. This quote was taken from her address: "If women were in charge, abortion would be a sacrament, an occasion of deep and serious and sacred meaning."

"If women were in charge, abortion would be a sacrament, an occasion of deep and serious and sacred meaning."
Carter Heyward,