Fukushima radiation… what you need to know and why

Shuftystick
reply to post by 8675309jenny

 

Localised except for moderate atmospheric fallout!

Get a life, there are still parts of Wales where sheep cannot be sold into the food chain because of Chernobyl. Ministry Officers or Vets still use Geiger counters to check for contamination.

Haha..... WRONG. Ban lifted 2 years ago

www.bbc.co.uk...

Frankinpillow
With recent history, why in the hell did Japan build nuclear reactors? Why not alternatives like wind farms, generate energy from the waves etc. In a earth quake zone it just stupidity waiting to happen. And who suffers the average joe on the street.

They did it because the nuclear industry had lulled them to sleep. Look at the number of previous nuclear accidents and we still kept on going forward. Now they have their nightmare situation and the crow has come home to roost, so to speak. Fukushima is uncontainable with today's technology. Nothing can be built with today's technology (ice wall + earthquake = not going to work not to mention wall + flowing water = dam) that can stop the groundwater flow into the Pacific Ocean. There is a large amount of groundwater moving through those 4 reactor basements and it's being contaminated by radioactivity and then on to the Pacific Ocean. Don't forget, Tepco is still pumping 800,000 tons a day down three holes... they have too...they don't have a choice.

Tell me something.... I don't understand Tepco math (which is why they are NOT to be trusted for information... they have been caught red handed lying and that cannot be denied no matter what anyone says.........never forget the whole cold shutdown lie they stuck with until they got busted).

Tepco pumps approximately 800,000 tons a day down 3 holes a day to keep the melted cores cool.....They HAVE to do this because if they don't, then those 3 cores will heat up very quickly and that is not a good thing with ground water... it will start generating steam at some point and that is one thing you do not want..... especially with 2 cores that may have breached the containment vessel. I think I can safely say that after viewing the video of the #3 reactor explosion that that one pretty much breached the containment vessel that day.....that is a massive explosion.

Anyways...

1. Tepco admits to pumping approx 800,000 tons of water a day to keep the coriums cool. Fact
2. Tepco says it recovers 400,000 to 500,000 tons leaving us with 300,000 to 400,000 tons going into the Pacific Ocean. Fact

Then where is there natural ground water going? Tepco is only recovering about 1/2 the water they put down the holes. But nobody ever mentions about the fact that natural groundwater that flows through the area and it is a significant enough amount to cause containment issues.

I will tell you where it goes... right into the Pacific Ocean.

So logic states that X amount of natural groundwater still flows through the site just the same as it did prior to March 2011.

So logically we can now say that we have 300,000-400,000 tons of highly radioactive water + X (X= RNG) (Radioactive Natural Groundwater) ........ (I made that up but it sounds cool).....going into the Pacific Ocean.

Houston,
We have a problem.


The more and more I look into Fukushima, the more and more it smells...........

reply to post by RickinVa


From where do you get the Amount of 800.000 Tones of Water?

Also Japan was forced into Nuclear Energy,
please Research this Topic, start here:

But it wasn’t just the smooth-talking Mr. Shoriki and his CIA backers that gave rise to Japan’s dependence on nuclear power. Mr. Arima stressed that other forces played a part in shaping the industry — forces that still exert their influence on the debate over nuclear power today:

The CIA link

Also Tepco said "a quazi Cold Shutdown" and "a state of",
in Theory they are right, the Plant is stable under 100 Celsius!


Water:
Unit 1. 109 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 2: 120 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 3: 128 Cubic Meter/ Day
=====: 357 Cubic Meter/ Day
Source

All this Water goes to the Filtration, get Recycled and Re-Used,
finally it goes for Storage, none of this Water goes in to our Sea!

Remember: "just the Facts, Mam"!

RickinVa

Human0815
reply to post by RickinVa

 

Only 1000 Days left to kill 140.000.000 Japanese!

like I said, there's a lot of information... most of what he he discussed about the process of how radiation works was exactly the way it works. I see that you didn't watch the video, it doesn't say that in the video at all I was aware of..... it's a shame that the guy that posted the video had to use the title

JAPAN, 140 MILLION DEAD WITHIN 5 YEARS

.... That's just plain stupid...I don't think there even are that many people in Japan.

Try actually watching the video... it's not the guy who posted it and it has some good information.


EDIT: I just watched the video again, and nowhere does the guy say that or is it on any of the slides. I actually pretty much agree with everything that the guy says..... its better to just listen to it and not watch the video.... the slides are not in sync with the guy talking.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

I never heard that said in the video either (Only 1000 Days left to kill 140.000.000 Japanese! ) and I didn't put that in the title when I posted it for that reason - that was someone else who added it to that you tube page! It could be someone did population calculations based on Steven Starr's calculations that are clearly given in the video with horrendous outcomes and came up with that number.

The information in that video comes from NOAA's documents, which will no doubt now be called disinfo because it doesn't support "nothing's wrong" fanatics at all.

And before anyone laughs at only another 1000 days before 140 million die - that's three more years ... we'll see in that time just what's happening in Japan and the ocean and West Coast of North America because the one thing we DO know is Fukushima is NO WHERE NEAR OVER!

Frankinpillow
With recent history, why in the hell did Japan build nuclear reactors? Why not alternatives like wind farms, generate energy from the waves etc. In a earth quake zone it just stupidity waiting to happen. And who suffers the average joe on the street.

Yes, is high stupidity all around - but Japan did not build the reactors, the "nuclear industry" through General Electric did/does around the world - they put them in, they decide where to put them, they decide who builds them and to what standard... that should explain it all in a nutshell. Most reactors are on faults and built poorly and causing problems, but hey, they told us it's clean energy so we must be just fine with nothing to worry about! *duh* Unfortunately it seems like 99% of the population is dead asleep on all things nuclear AND the Fukushima ELE.

Lots of fear mongering in this thread.

boymonkey74
Lots of fear mongering in this thread.

Yeah, must be so annoying to keep running across people pulling up data and information that indicate there's a bona fide problem with radiation from Fukushima affecting all life as we know it and wanting to have an intelligent discussion about it. Much easier to just call them names like fear mongerers than contribute to the discussion.

I believe people who like to throw out buzz words like fear mongers and doom porn are lacking the ability to put a paragraph together and have no credibility. Is just a way to try and throw cold water (for no reason) on a discussion they don't like.

The video I posted yesterday in this thread (Steven Starr) is based on NOAA documents. Where exactly is there any fear mongering? Fear mongering assumes there is NOTHING to be concerned about or fearful of and unless you can prove Fukushima did not explode, melt down and is leaking into the ocean, I absolutely believe there is plenty to be concerned about and so do other scientists and nuclear experts.

reply to post by Human0815

Do you use some of your valuable Time to study ALPS? (The Water System in Fukushima)

Has it been repaired ? Last I read the overhead crane had broken and processing halted.
Can research the news story if it's not already here.

reply to post by wishes

Yeah, must be so annoying to keep running across people pulling up data and information that indicate there's a bona fide problem with radiation from Fukushima affecting all life as we know it and wanting to have an intelligent discussion about it. Much easier to just call them names like fear mongerers than contribute to the discussion. I believe people who like to throw out buzz words like fear mongers and doom porn are lacking the ability to put a paragraph together and have no credibility. Is just a way to try and throw cold water (for no reason) on a discussion they don't like. The video I posted yesterday in this thread (Steven Starr) is based on NOAA documents. Where exactly is there any fear mongering? Fear mongering assumes there is NOTHING to be concerned about or fearful of and unless you can prove Fukushima did not explode, melt down and is leaking into the ocean, I absolutely believe there is plenty to be concerned about and so do other scientists and nuclear experts.

Could you fit that in the signature area of your post ? Will it fit ?

reply to post by donlashway


Yip, but you need to know that there are 2-3 other Filtration Plants,
the first one came form France/ Areva but had many Problems because
it was Set Up by Japanese who couldn't read French

ALPS is easy to repair, the Condenser too and the 400 Tones
of contaminated Water/ Day are not that problematic to store for
a short time!

wishes
Wish I'd found this sooner, would have saved you all that explaining about radiation.Is an excellent and informative summary from NOAA documents:

www.youtube.com...

Steven Starr, University of Missouri, Fukushima Gov't Lies, Deceit and Death

Another member kindly found and posted this original presentation by Steven Starr and it is much better to view this than the one I had put up - is a LOT of information!
www.youtube.com...

Tritium… what you need to know.

Tritium is one of the byproducts produced by nuclear fission.
It has a half-life of a little over 12 years, and a biological half-life of 7-14 days.
(Biological half-life is the time a radionuclide stays in your body)
Tritium likes to bind with water which sounds like a good thing but isn’t when we observe the facts.
When Tritium binds with water, it replaces the hydrogen molecules with tritium molecules creating what is known a Tritiated water….. it’s still radioactive none the less.


Strontium 90… what you need to know

Is also a byproduct of nuclear fission, one of the most prevalent radionuclides that is created during weapons testing. It is also a byproduct of nuclear power plant accidents.
It has a half-life of 29 years. It’s biological half-life has been estimated at 18 years.
Strontium 90 exhibits biochemical behavior similar to calcium. Because of this, Strontium 90 has the nickname “The Boneseeker”. It loves to settle in the bones and teeth after ingestion.

Strontium 90 is a nasty little radionuclide in that since it has such a long biological half-life, whatever is not secreted by your body (approx 20% stays in the human body after ingestion) for a long long time happily blasting nearby cells with radiation.


I love facts...... I can keep finding them all day long when it come to Fukushima.

When a pro-nukers go on the attack, beat them down something called a "fact" lol (I might make that my new signature,, I like it)

Human0815
reply to post by RickinVa

 

From where do you get the Amount of 800.000 Tones of Water?

Also Japan was forced into Nuclear Energy,
please Research this Topic, start here:

But it wasn’t just the smooth-talking Mr. Shoriki and his CIA backers that gave rise to Japan’s dependence on nuclear power. Mr. Arima stressed that other forces played a part in shaping the industry — forces that still exert their influence on the debate over nuclear power today:

The CIA link

Also Tepco said "a quazi Cold Shutdown" and "a state of",
in Theory they are right, the Plant is stable under 100 Celsius!

edit on 19-1-2014 by Human0815 because: see

Water:
Unit 1. 109 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 2: 120 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 3: 128 Cubic Meter/ Day
=====: 357 Cubic Meter/ Day
Source

All this Water goes to the Filtration, get Recycled and Re-Used,
finally it goes for Storage, none of this Water goes in to our Sea!

Remember: "just the Facts, Mam"!

edit on 19-1-2014 by Human0815 because: Water Issue

edit on 19-1-2014 by Human0815 because: more Water

You do know that Tepco is having a major problem with the storage system right? It seems they forgot the little FACT that when radionuclides slam into a solid barrier, such as a steel tank wall...... they emit x-rays outside of the tanks.

TEPCO is going to dump all the water they have stored in the tanks into the ocean....... they won't have a choice much longer.

By filtering the water and re-using it, what ever goes into the storage tanks is more concentrated, which is now leading to large amount of gamma radiation outside of the tanks. Like I said before,,,, every time they "fix" something, more problems pop up.

Just the facts, mam, just the facts

To try and say that there is no radioactive water going into the Pacific Ocean every day is taking the ostrich approach,,, sticking your head in the sand because there something you do not want to see won't make it go away.

The pdf that you linked is talking about accumulated water in the basements of the reactors... would you care to discuss the the amount of groundwater that flows through the area, becomes contaminated with radionuclides and then flows into the ocean? I am pretty sure I can find enough facts to blow your assertion that all the water is being safely stored, for lack of better words.... right out of the water (pun intended)

Let's use that thing that people hate most: Logic.

1. There is a wide area known as an exclusion area where levels of radiation are too high for people to live. FACT
2. It rains in Japan. FACT
3. Rainwater will wash radionuclides off of things like trees, houses, roads, etc. FACT
4. All this now contaminated run-off has to go somewhere. FACT
5. Water follows the path of least resistance. FACT
6. The path of least resistance in this case would be the Pacific Ocean. FACT

Are you trying to tell me that Tepco is catching all the rainfall run off over a 30 kilometer area??? That gets contaminated by radionuclides and that it is not going into the ocean??????

That whole thing about Japan being forced into nuclear power is off topic... that would be a whole different thread

reply to post by RickinVa


You wrote "Tepco pumps daily 800.000 Tones of Water through 3 Holes"

RickinVa

Tepco pumps approximately 800,000 tons a day down 3 holes a day to keep the melted cores cool.....They HAVE to do this because if they don't, then those 3 cores will heat up very quickly and that is not a good thing with ground water... it will start generating steam at some point and that is one thing you do not want..... especially with 2 cores that may have breached the containment vessel. I think I can safely say that after viewing the video of the #3 reactor explosion that that one pretty much breached the containment vessel that day.....that is a massive explosion.

(see your Posting above)
and this is as wrong as a lot of other Info provided by U.,
also Tepco is owned by the Government of Tokyo and Japan,
(51,7%)
please look for it, "just the Facts, Mam, just the Facts",
than provide Facts and not wrong Information!

Human0815
reply to post by RickinVa

 

You wrote "Tepco pumps daily 800.000 Tones of Water through 3 Holes"
(see your Posting above)
and this is as wrong as a lot of other Info provided by U.,
also Tepco is owned by the Government of Tokyo and Japan,
(51,7%)
please look for it, "just the Facts, Mam, just the Facts",
than provide Facts and not wrong Information!

We can do this all day long, I am retired and can spend as much time doing this as I want.

1. Tepco is pumping water down in the reactors 1,2,& 3. FACT
2. They have to do this to prevent the coriums from heating up to the point where steam is generated. FACT

I have seen various figures of 600,000 to 800,000 tons of water a day goes to trying to keep coriums from overheating.

"and this is as wrong as a lot of other Info provided by U." Gotta call your bluff on this one.

Please feel free to state everything that I have said in this thread that isn't true, and lets discuss it.

Attack the ball, not the player.

reply to post by RickinVa


what are we doing the last 13 Pages?

Human0815
reply to post by RickinVa

 

what are we doing the last 13 Pages?

Consolidate everything you think that I have posted in the last 13 pages that you feel is untrue into 1 post for clarification...most of the stuff you have tried to counter has already been been shot down with facts........ I will always shoot back with nothing but facts.

Attack the ball, not the player.

Rainfall in Fukushima, Japan….

What you need to know and why as it relates to radiation from Fukushima.

Fukushima averages approximately 88 millimeters (3.5 inches) of rainfall a month.

www.fukushima.climatemps.com...

After the accident at Fukushima, a 20 kilometer wide area around the plant was deemed unsafe for human habitation.


So let’s look at the FACTS:

1. It rains in Fukushima, approximately 42 inches a year.
2. Rain water will wash radionuclides off of things like houses, trees, bushes, etc.
3. The rain water runoff is contaminated with radionuclides.
4. Some of that rainwater runoff that is contaminated with radionuclides is making its way into the Pacific Ocean

So there you have it…… contaminated water has to be going into the Pacific Ocean via ground runoff directly or indirectly, but none the less it is going into the Pacific Ocean.

reply to post by RickinVa


I've linked several papers and articles written by nuclear physicists who use the term dilution. It's on you to prove that's wrong, not me. The scientific term is dilution. I've linked a study on the dilution of radiation in the Salton Sea and a Professor from Yale who also calls it dilution when referring to what is happening at Fukushima. Either you didn't read either of those links or you dismissed them because they did not line up with your game of semantics.

Definition of dilution in chemistry:

www.chemicool.com...

Dilution is the process of reducing the concentration of a solute in solution

raymundoko
reply to post by RickinVa

 

I've linked several papers and articles written by nuclear physicists who use the term dilution. It's on you to prove that's wrong, not me. The scientific term is dilution. I've linked a study on the dilution of radiation in the Salton Sea and a Professor from Yale who also calls it dilution when referring to what is happening at Fukushima. Either you didn't read either of those links or you dismissed them because they did not line up with your game of semantics.

Definition of dilution in chemistry:

www.chemicool.com...

Dilution is the process of reducing the concentration of a solute in solution

Answer 2 questions.

1. What is radiation? Its an unstable atom.
2. Can you dilute an atom with water? NO

Prove either of those 2 statements is false.

I already stated I agree with the statement that "The effects of the radiation can be diluted"

It is not on me to prove anyone wrong.

Answer the 2 questions please.

I will post this in every comment section of any article I find about Fukushima radiation being "diluted" by the ocean.