India hails polio-free 'milestone' - thanks to vaccines

Up yours vaccine deniers!!

After the eradication of smallpox in 1980, polio is the second disease in India that has been eliminated through immunisation.

Nearly 2.3 million volunteers vaccinate some 170 million children under five years of age in India during every round of immunisation.

- BBC article

It amazes me that people can still write nonsense about vaccines being harmful in this day and age based on this or that person's say so, and ignore the massive improvements in public health they have allowed all around the world!!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Is this wild polio or vaccine induced polio your post is talking about?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


To be honest I thought polio had been eradicated worldwide.

Vaccines can be beneficial but I think it should always be available as an voluntary option. The government should never have the authority to force the administration of any vaccine.

ZeussusZ
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Is this wild polio or vaccine induced polio your post is talking about?

*sigh* You made me roll my eyes.

Paranoia is a disease. (they have a vaccine but....)

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I am with you on this ...I like the graph they have in the article...around (1982, 38,000 cases)...(1987 28,000 cases) (2009 740 cases) (2010 43 cases) (2011 1 case) now no cases.

anti vac people will probably say it's a lie,well, how else can they explain it...

reply to post by justreleased


thank you - you saved me from replying with something that would undoubtedly have been removed as a manners violation - a single word, rhymes with boron.....

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I see I hit a nerve. So what's the answer to my question, or shall we pretend it doesn't happen.

reply to post by ZeussusZ


We shall not pretend that you asked a meaningful question.

We shall not pretend that 0 polio cases can be divided among different types of polio.

We shall not pretend that 100 million + doses of oral polio vaccine given did anything other than eradicate polio.

we shall not pretend that specious ignorant arguments by vaccine deniers do anything other than result in doubters exposing their children to undue risk, disease, injury and in some cases death!

That is what we shall not pretend to do.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


You do realize the oral polio vaccines are causing the polio virus to mutate and a small percentage of people taking it have been paralyzed?

Polio Surge In Nigeria After
Vaccine Virus Mutates
By MARIA CHENG, AP Medical Writer
www.rense.com...

Nigeria and most other poor nations use an oral polio vaccine because it's cheaper, easier, and protects entire communities.

But it is made from a live polio virus - albeit weakened - which carries a small risk of causing polio for every million or so doses given. In even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.

The vaccine used in the United States and other Western nations is given in shots, which use a killed virus that cannot cause polio.

So when WHO officials discovered a polio outbreak in Nigeria was sparked by the polio vaccine itself, they assumed it would be easier to stop than a natural "wild" virus.
They were wrong.

What are you going to say when the new and improved polio virus makes its way into your home?

You sir, are a truth denier. The vaccination program has done many good things, but one thing they have done is force these viruses to become more potent and unstable so as to survive.

Why do you think the news is always crying about the new 'super bugs'?

-FBB

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Vaccines have saved millions of lives, I think they are a fantastic idea, especially because it is natural and allows your body to literally learn how to defeat the disease/virus for the rest of your life!

However, to think that something that is mandatory that is being injected under our skin by our government will never get abused? Just as a naive as the vaccine nay sayers.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Ah OK. 0 reported cases. Thank god all 1 billion plus Indians see a doctor. Thank god they did the lameness surveys back in the day when every man and his dog with a limp had polio, otherwise the 99% reduction in polio couldn't be harped on about. Now every Indian sees a doctor too
All hail the mighty vaccine. Let us pretend.

Vaccines are a blessing, no doubt. To which extent they should be Government-enforced is another issue.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

India hails polio-free 'milestone' - thanks to vaccines

At what cost?

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis Death

“In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP [non-polio acute flaccid paralysis]. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.”

The Oral Polio Vaccines were given to Indian children. The CDC dropped the OPV from its vaccine schedule in the US because it was causing polio.

...

But in 2011 alone, the Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio vaccine campaign in India caused 47,500 cases of paralysis and death.

From Vashisht and Puliyel:

“It has been reported in the Lancet that the incidence of AFP, especially non-polio AFP has increased exponentially in India after a high potency polio vaccine was introduced (25). Grassly and colleagues suggested, at that time, that the increase in AFP was the result of a deliberate effort to intensify surveillance and reporting in India (26). The National Polio Surveillance Programme maintained that the increased numbers were due to reporting of mild weakness, presumably weakness of little consequence (27).

“However in 2005, a fifth of the cases of non-polio AFP in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh (UP) were followed up after 60 days. 35.2% were found to have residual paralysis and 8.5% had died (making the total of residual paralysis or death – 43.7%) (28). Sathyamala examined data from the following year and showed that children who were identified with non-polio AFP were at more than twice the risk of dying than those with wild polio infection (27).

“Data from India on polio control over 10 years, available from the National Polio Surveillance Project, has now been compiled and made available online for it to be scrutinised by epidemiologists and statisticians (29). This shows that the non-polio AFP rate increases in proportion to the number of polio vaccines doses received in each area.

“Nationally, the non-polio AFP rate is now 12 times higher than expected. In the states of Uttar Pradesh (UP) and Bihar, which have pulse polio rounds nearly every month, the non-polio AFP rate is 25- and 35-fold higher than the international norms. The relationship of the non-polio AFP rate is curvilinear with a more steep increase beyond six doses of OPV in one year. The non-polio AFP rate during the year best correlates to the cumulative doses received in the previous three years. Association (R2) of the non-polio AFP rate with OPV doses received in 2009 was 41.9%.

What will Indian authorities, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and all their buddies going to say when polio resurfaces and realize that their vaccine efforts did nothing other than make a lot of people ill, and killed a bunch too while actually spreading the disease.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have a nasty habit of ignoring any of these claims (not just in India, but all over the world). Their inability to address these deaths and other side effects shows lack of credibility on their behalf...but let's just pretend Mr Gates and his buddies are heroes with the sole intention of saving the world because they care about us so much

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


Some people seem to be under the illusion that vaccinations are perfect. ( Or more than likely this is something they have made up to back up their own point of view. )

Some people don't seem to understand how evolution works. That mutations are inevitable. Not some "mistake" made by humans getting vaccinated or not vaccinated.


The facts is you only have two real choices when up against such an ancient enemy who's genetics and lifespan make fighting it , and beating just one variation of it, like winning lotto.

Your two choices....

(1) Try

(2) Don't try.


You can attempt to dress this argument up how you like. But it still boils down to either getting off our behinds and fighting it with every tool we have. As a group.

Or sitting at home having a whinge. Doing nothing. All the while talking about your "rights".


Worse case scenario....

Failing Vs Failing to try.

Best case scenario ......

Winning vs Failing to try.


Pick a camp peoples. Don't fluff around like a teenage girl. Hoping the wind changes your underpants and mind. Have conviction. Make a stand. You know, how all wars are won. By people who take a stand and are willing to take orders or do things occasionally they do not personally want to do. But the greater good ( like your rights ) was worth the sacrifice.

Never operate out of fear. Just say it like it is.

Corruption Exposed
“In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP [non-polio acute flaccid paralysis]."



The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have a nasty habit of ignoring any of these claims (not just in India, but all over the world). Their inability to address these deaths and other side effects shows lack of credibility on their behalf...but let's just pretend Mr Gates and his buddies are heroes with the sole intention of saving the world because they care about us so much

Arrant nonsense - indeed these days there is no excuse for repeating this ignorant slander

NPAFP (non-polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis)...meaning it is "non polio", but similar symptoms (AFP).

Normally, he ( Dr Jacob) said, the chances of children under the age of 15 getting affected by non-polio AFP are 1-2 per 100,000. But, the rate of non-polio AFP nationally “is now 12 times higher than expected.” In 2011, an additional 47,500 children were newly paralyzed, over and above the standard rate of 2 children per 100,000 non-polio AFP cases, says the paper in the journal.

www.deccanchronicle.com...

But were they "newly paralyzed" ?...or newly diagnosed ? ...because just after the intensive OPV immunization program in India, a massive testing occurred in India....a "Surveillance System" and "mop-up" system were the duties of the surveillance system....to ensure complete eradication of true polio.

So they did not find Polio in the roughly 47,000...they found symptoms of AFP, which can have a variety of causes...en.wikipedia.org...

> because those tested during the "Surveillance System program" was their first time being tested for anything at all, regardless of any disease. <

www.biomedcentral.com...

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


And from the CDC themselves;

Inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) needs to be injected and works by producing protective antibodies in the blood (serum immunity) – thus preventing the spread of poliovirus to the central nervous system. However, it induces only very low levels of immunity to polivirus locally, inside the gut. As a result, it provides individual protection against polio paralysis but, unlike OPV, cannot prevent the spread of wild polio virus.

(emphasis added)


CDC PDF on Polio;
CDC Pinkbook on Poliomyelitis

So, the vaccine does not prevent the spread of the wild Polio virus (WPV)..So, India is not Polio free at all...the virus is still very much there, and elsewhere besides. The implication being, once India runs out of money to pay Billions to pharmaceutical corporations for the drugs to prevent paralysis from Polio, the infections from WPV will skyrocket.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Aloysius the Gaul ...

You see the telling thing is. Our protagonist don't actually believe a word they spout as facts. How do we know.

They want to remain anonymous.

Any mention of them outing themselves public-ally and stating for the record they do not trust anyone associated with the medical fraternity and big Pharma. And under NO circumstances do they want medical intervention / inventions / associated with this giant evil money making scam being given to them. On no. All of a sudden they want the "right" to cherry pick when they want help. And of course NOW because I am sick and have rights.


Hard to give people respect when their convictions are so shallow.

reply to post by thedeadtruth


Are you trying to say the only way to 'try' is via vaccination?

Epidemics to eradication: the modern history of poliomyelitis
Nidia H De Jesus
www.virologyj.com...

Prior to the 20th century, virtually all children were infected with PV while still protected by maternal antibodies. In the 1900s, following the industrial revolution of the late 18th and early 19th centuries, improved sanitation practices led to an increase in the age at which children first encountered the virus, such that at exposure children were no longer protected by maternal antibodies. Consequently, epidemics of poliomyelitis surfaced . [2]


Ironically, the advanced state of public hygiene in the U.S. and the rest of the developed world contributed to the polio epidemics of the 20th century. Polio is primarily a disease of infants and children. Before public hygiene developments, infants and young children became exposed to poliovirus, but their symptoms were mild and the exposure provided lasting immunity. With the advent of indoor plumbing and modern ideas about hygiene and sanitation, children were not exposed to the poliovirus in infancy and did not develop natural immunity. As a result, outbreaks of polio began to be seen in the mid-1800s. [3]

Sanitation does not seem to correlate with the increased virulence of PV either.

insidevaccines.com...

The Indian Medical Association Sub-Committee’s report on Polio Eradication Initiative which noted that in 2006:

despite repeated doses of oral polio vaccine (OPV) during repeated mass pulse immunization campaigns for communities, there were an alarming 1,600 cases of vaccine-induced polio.

Some of these children had been given more than 15 doses of Oral Polio Vaccine. Why weren’t they protected by poor sanitation?

But there were 1,600 cases of the vaccine inducing PV in its recipients, far less than previously but very concerning with the proven mutability of the vaccine doses.



I really only speak out against clowns like this OP and a certain other member who DO in fact preach vaccination as though it is flawless and should be mandatory for all. That is a very dangerous idea as it increases the potential for dangerous mutations which would inherently be resistant to vaccination.

-FBB

reply to post by MysterX


"So, the vaccine does not prevent the spread of the wild Polio virus (WPV)..So, India is not Polio free at all.."


So what. I deal with cases of Leprosy from the Islands. After 100 years we still cant wipe it out.

So again. Whats your genius answer to the issue. Don't try at all ? Come on. You seem to be so full of your own sense of critical thinking and problem solving abilities. Spit it out.


What your plan ?

As an aside, especially considering Mr. Gates is involved in vaccinations India..it's interesting, although not necassarily connected, that Infertility rates in India have been rising alarmingly concurrent to the Polio vaccination programme he is involved with...again, not claiming a connection, but he did state quite openly that (paraphrasing) "If we are successful with our vaccination programmes, we may achieve a lowering of the birthrate of between 10% - 15%...i seem to remember he was speaking about African vaccination programmes he was sponsoring, but he is obviously now global in scope.

The International Business Times, from September 2013 reports;

The number of Indian couples turning to artificial methods to conceive has gone up considerably, according to a new survey.

They go on to report;

The "Helping Families" survey, conducted by a pharmaceutical company in nine Indian cities, also found that infertility was the major reason behind the occurrence. Out of the 2,562 people who participated in the survey, nearly 46 percent was found infertile. Results from another parallel survey conducted among 100 infertility specialists showed that nearly 63 percent of the infertile couples belonged to the childbearing age (31-40), Hindustan Times reported.

Another major finding was that infertility problems prevailed even among the young generation. Nearly 34 percent of the couples, aged between 21 and 30, opted assisted reproduction technology (ART) after they experienced difficulties in conceiving naturally.

The International Business Times

So...it may be that Mr. William Gates openly and publicly stated 'programmes involving vaccinations to reduce birthrates' are quite fruitful, unlike a high percentage of young, Indian couples.