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The JFK Assassination----NASA and USAEC Roles-----50 Years is long Enough

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posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 08:26 AM

With that firmly in hand, by the example of the US Constitution going against Royalists and Church being Government.

Right, because Monarchies and the Vatican have been so good for mankind and should not be opposed.

You have got to be the only Vatican/Monarchist apologist I have ever seen.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 08:34 AM
To get back into the JFK issues linked with the NAZIs and NASA and alliances with Masons, we can discover John McCloy more deeply. We'll gain some insights into the JFK hit from a 20th anniversary presentation of the 4 th Rite of Royalists to take over Hitler's technologies via helping Mason Allan Dulles gain the Paperclip NAZIs that became NASA.

It was well known the NAZIs were after the nuclear bomb and the bomb would be combined with the Rocket systems for special weapons, what we call today as Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles with MIRV nuclear warheads, which were designed by the NAZIs at RedStone Arsenal in Mason George Wallace's Alabama.

Hence, we discover the roots to the game for power gained from Hitler's technologies are the efforts of John McCloy, and he is allied with the Royalists Banking Interests, Big Oil, CIA Mason John Dulles, LBJ, The Joint Chiefs LeMay, and even George de Mohrenschildt.


President Lyndon Johnson asked John J. McCloy to serve on the Warren Commission. No less than nine presidents had called on the Wall Street lawyer for special assignments, yet he was little known to the public. McCloy said he entered the investigation "thinking there was a conspiracy," but left it convinced that Oswald acted alone. "I never saw a case that was more completely proven," he asserted.
McCloy had long been involved in the murky world of espionage, intrigue and nazis. He spent the decade of the 1930s working out of Paris. Much of his time was spent on a law case stemming from German sabotage in World War I. His investigation took him to Berlin, where he shared a box with Hitler at the 1936 Olympics. He was in contact with Rudolph Hess before the Nazi leader made a mysterious flight to England in 1941.


When the nazis occupied Europe, the banking exchanges between Britain and the U.S. on the one hand and Germany on the other carried on as usual. In Trading With the Enemy, Charles Higham documents the role of Standard Oil of New Jersey, owned by the Chase Manhattan Bank, and I.G. Farben's Sterling Products with the Bank for International Settlements. Standard Oil tankers plied the sea lanes with fuel for the nazi war machine. Prior to the war McCloy was legal counsel to Farben, the German chemical monopoly.
As an assistant secretary in the War Department during the war:

McCloy blocked the executions of nazi war criminals
Forged a pact with the Vichy Regime of pro-nazi Admiral Darlan.
Displaced Japanese-Americans in California to internment camps.
Refused to recommend the bombing of nazi concentration camps to spare the inmates on grounds "the cost would be out of proportion to any possible benefits."
Refused Jewish refugees entry to the U.S.
When the curtain fell on the war, McCloy helped shield Klaus Barbie, the "butcher of Lyons," from the French. Barbie and other vicious dogs from Hitler's kennel were hidden out with the 370th Counter Intelligence Corps at Obergamergau. One of their keepers was Private Henry Kissinger, soon to enter Harvard as a McCloy protege.
In 1949 McCloy returned to Germany as American High Commissioner. He commuted the death sentences of a number of nazi war criminals, and gave early releases to others. One was Alfred Krupp, convicted of using slave labor in his armaments factories. Another was Hitler's financial genius, Dr. Hjalmar Schacht, who subsequently went on the payroll of Aristotle Onassis.
In 1952 McCloy left a Germany that was prepared to re-arm to return to his law practice. He became president of the Chase Manhattan Bank, director of a dozen blue chip corporations, and legal counsel to the "Seven Sisters" of American oil. During this period he acquired a client, the Nobel oil firm, whose interests in Czarist Russia had been managed by the father of George de Mohrenschildt, Lee and Marina Oswald's "best friend" in Dallas.
Busy as he was McCloy found time to supervise construction of the new Pentagon building. It was nicknamed "McCloy's Folly."


FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover "mistrusted and disliked all three Kennedy brothers. President Johnson and Hoover had mutual fear and hatred for the Kennedys," wrote the late William Sullivan, for many years an assistant FBI director. Hoover hated Robert Kennedy, who as Attorney General was his boss, and feared John. In turn the President distrusted Allen Dulles, easing him out as CIA director after the 1961 Bay of Pigs debacle. When JFK moved to lower the oil depletion allowance, he incurred the displeasure of John McCloy, whose clients' profits would be trimmed.
Hoover, Dulles and McCloy did not belong to the Kennedy fan club. When the president was shot, Hoover controlled the field investigation, and Dulles and McCloy helped mold the final verdict of the Warren Commission.


John McCloy and The 4th Rite

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 08:40 AM
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

The only thing I've liked about the Vatican since John Paul the first was playing with major changes and then met his waterloo is this new Pope. Wouldn't trust him with my dog (well, maybe) but he's done some good things up to now, and if he accelerates those tenfold he may be approaching the realm of some history changing events. Many catholics I know don't like him, which to me is quite an endorsement. Time will tell about Francis, and if I were him I'd call the Masons in for a peace conference.

This thread seems to be losing steam, so OP, please get back to the NASA material. What Mason conspiracy do you see when it comes to the Mars Rovers and some of the possible fossil finds that a few members here are "discovering"? Some interesting stuff circulating around on those topics.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 08:47 AM
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

I think when a few Masons acted correctly in the formation of the US to get out of the blood letting of Europe and England, that those Masons received positive reviews.

When the Masons took up the negative side of things in Scottish Rite Masons being controlled by England's Royalists agenda they received extremely negative reviews and credit for being behind killing JFK and others.

In dealing with the Vatican and Rome, it has been exposed that Constantine did some deceit and treachery games to hide the real issues of the Jesus and Essene theology, and that become the Adam Weiskopf issues for the Illuminati.

On occasion, as the Vatican still influences religion, when they do something going in the correct directions, such as going to the City of Ur, and acting to discover the origin for Abraham, they begin to expose more of the truths of religion's gods.

So, Vatican and Rome have been lumped into the issues of Empire seekers, just as much as the English Empire seekers, and neither of them support the truth being well stated on Jesus and the Essene Values. English Masons just dump out their King James Bible as certification of the Vatican's Bible, as corrupted by Constantine. imho

That being evident, making the English Masons the apologists for the Roman Empire efforts to attain Empire Control using religion and that being the same method sought by English Royalists. imho

Such being well stated and put forth makes the English Masons just as corrupt as the Empire seeking Vatican. imho

The essential missing parts of the history is that of Mt. Carmel, the Essene Community, their relationship to Pythagoras, and the new church theme based upon the best Pious History being that of the High Essene Priest named Jesus, and Joseph was one of the Essene and teachers of the truth in religion as it emanated from the City of Ur, and the Creator gods of Sumeria. imho

That being well put and previously well stated, making your comment based on untruth. imho

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 09:06 AM

When the Masons took up the negative side of things in Scottish Rite Masons being controlled by England's Royalists agenda...

Considering the Scottish Rite is French in origins it would appear, once again, that you have no clue what you are talking about.

That being well put and previously well stated, making your comment based on untruth.

I still do not see how that excuses you for being a Monarchist and Vatican apologist and supporting centuries of inhumanity by both groups. The fact that you side with them goes a long way into showing your true sentiments regarding your fellow man, which is to say, very little.

Keep on posting though, if it was not apparent that you are a tool for the Monarchist/Vatican agendas it is now.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 09:12 AM
Then one can next look at a lot of the material that the FBI didn't make public via the Warren Commission or other avenues, such as the press.

When we look carefully, we find how Joseph Milteer discovered the hit on JFK and some Jewish haters, and the reason Dallas wanted Bernard Weissman's name put on JFK hate message pamphlets dumped all over Dallas.

Then one has to connect the dots that key plotters of the JFK hit made sure to be distant from the hit area. Then we find that General Walker is flying around Shreveport, Louisiana, which is the home of Curtis LeMay's SAC base called Barksdale AFB, then all these other connections to Dallas JFK haters connected to General Walker and Joe Milteer. imho

Then tie in the upper echelon efforts of their supporters in high places connected with John McClue and his Mason Pal Dulles, Mason Hoover, and LBJ. imho

Now we get to see what the Crooked Masons withheld from the American People's rights to know.


This document states that "an organization known as the Minute Men is the Right- Wing group in Dallas most likely to have been associated with any effort to assassinate the President. ... The Minute Men are closely tied to General Walker and H. L. Hunt." My understanding is that the FBI did not supply the information in this file to the Warren Commission despite a request from J. Lee Rankin dated May 20, 1964.


FBI HQ File 157-758, captioned "Council for Statehood; aka Congress of Freedom." This file relates to a right-wing group determined "to eliminate by force if necessary all Jewish people in government." (Serial 10) Joseph Adams Milteer, whose threat against JFK is discussed in the HSCA report, pages 232 to 233, told the FBI he had attended the Congress of Freedom convention in New Orleans in April 1963. The FBI reports are mostly withheld, but two associates of General Walker, Arch Roberts and Clyde Watts, are identified as members of the Congress of Freedom.


Information concerning Ned Touchstone, the Citizens' Council of Louisiana, and the Original Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. An FBI memorandum dated April 17, 1964, serial 3581 of HQ File 105-82555, mentions an article in the March 15, 1964, edition of "the Councilor," a newspaper published by the Citizens' Councils of Louisiana. The article claimed that "the Councilor" had been requested by the Dallas District Attorney to conduct an investigation in New Orleans of alleged links between Ruby and Oswald. Ned Touchstone, editor of "The Councilor," and an associate of General Walker, is identified as a member of the Original Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. An FBI report dated July 12, 1965, serial 35 of HQ File 105-44536, concerns a Citizens' Council Rally held July 4 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Speakers at this rally included Walker, Touchstone, and Judge John Rarick. The report states that "a resolution was proposed at the rally to petition the Government of Louisiana to put up $25,000 for a fund to investigate and attempt to determine if any accomplices of Lee Harvey Oswald are still in Louisiana." Judge John Rarick's court was in Clinton, Louisiana, and on November 21, 1963, two of the witnesses, who later testified at the Clay Shaw trial about Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged activities in Jackson and Clinton, were in attendance in Judge Rarick's court. The two were Henry Earl Palmer and Reeves Morgan. (New Orleans Times-Picayune; November 22, 1963; Section 3, page 13) The connections among Rarick, the Clinton witnesses, Touchstone, and Walker call for careful examination. An additional factor is that the Original Knights of the Ku Klux Klan was organized in Shreveport, Louisiana, by a Dallas man, R. E. Davis. (NOTP; February 10, 1961; s3, p21) Davis' name turned in the FBI investigation of Joseph Milteer. Given the above, all FBI documents relating to Davis, Touchstone, the Original Knights, the Citizens' Council of Louisiana, "The Councilor," and Judge Rarick should be designated as assassination related records.


FBI Files Suppressed Information

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 10:21 AM
One of the major keys to the JFK hit is the Mason Dulles and the Catholic NAZI John McClue. imho

What few recognize is the war with Germany never really ended, it only changed its former form a bit and continued as a sort of 4th Rite effort allied loosely between Vatican and Royalist Money.

Under Catholic John McClue the Catholic Church was still saving the German NAZIs from Nuremberg, and he allied with Mason Allan Dulles, and both of them supported Europe's big banking Royalists. Catholic John McClue saved Walter Dornberger from the English Masons that wanted him killed. imho

Under Mason Dulles the CIA in Europe and Russia was run by the German Gehlen group, and the Royalist Masons approved because Russia was the Communist threat and Hitler also fought the Russian Communism. imho

As such, in Europe General Walker worked close with the Catholic Supporting NAZi Gehlen organization, and as such he was first to call the Gehlen Propaganda outlets in Germany to frame Lee Harvey Oswald from near Barksdale AFB in Shrieveport, La.

Those NAZI components in Dallas that continued to hate the Jews set up Bernard Weissberg with Hunt money printed propaganda against JFK on Communism. imho

One publication on this "4th Rite" effort speaks to this Mason / Catholic NAZI alliance in the hit on JFK.

As things filter on down we discover a Catholic Roman backing Mason George Mandel in Rome, being tied to PERMINDEX, and the units that Jim Garrison was after for killing JFK. imho


June 13, 1963, Larry Schmidt to B. Weissman in Munich, Germany:

"Warren Carroll, our only other recruit to CUSA, is already a PhD and two MS's. Warren is a scriptwriter for Lifeline, the H.L. Hunt television and radio series. Hunt is the millionaire oilman."

"Warren is 32, former CIA man. Don't worry, he has been checked out."

"Hunt checked him out."

(This appears to be a military action, DIA. They have to check out the CIA man, using Hunt's security).

After Jack Ruby was arrested for killing Oswald inside the Dallas jail, there were copies of Warren Carroll's Lifeline on the seat of his car. The section was on "Heroism," on how to become a "hero." This is interesting because one of the first reasons Ruby gave for killing Oswald was, "I wanted to show them a Jew had guts."


November 2, 1962: Dallas to Munich, Larry Schmidt:

"Gentlemen we got everything we wanted."

"It saved the trouble of infiltration."

"Met with Frank McGee ... (president of the Dallas Council of World Affairs.)"

"Suggest Bernie convert to Christianity and I mean it."

(Bernard Weissman, the only Jew, was brought all the way to Dallas on November 22, 1963, to lend his name to the "Wanted for Treason" fliers handed out to welcome JFK. He testified that the John Birch Society paid for the ads and "wanted a Jewish name at the bottom.")

"We must all return to the church."


February 2, 1963, Larry Schmidt:

"We have succeeded, the mission with which I was charged in Dallas has been achieved."

"Friday night I attended a gathering of the top conservatives in Dallas."

"The meeting was at the home of Dr. Robert Morris, President of the Defenders of American Liberty."

"Present were Mr. George Ward, Detective for Dallas City Police, Mr. Ken Thompson, editorial writer for the Dallas Morning News, Mr. Clyde Moore, former PR man for H.L. Hunt, former UPI writer. (Eight others)."

"I told them exactly what I wanted."

"Others suggested using an already existing movement, named the Young Americans for Freedom, with already 50,000 members."

"CUSA, as set up in Munich, is now an established fact in Dallas, only we are calling it YAF. I think you catch on."

"We are starting Munich chapters of YAF. To spread to Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, Berlin, Kaiserslautern."

"We are getting every top name in business, education, politics, and religion to endorse YAF."

"The advisory board includes 37 congressmen . . . including Sen. Strom Thurmond, Sen. John Tower, and Sen. Barry Goldwater. There is Ronald Reagan, Gen. Mark Clark, Gen. Charles Willoughby, John Wayne, etc."

"Change all your records to read YAF."

"All those months in Munich were not wasted. I accomplished my task in Dallas. I need you here soon. I sold these people on each of you and they are expecting you to come to Dallas and play an important role."


October 29, 1963, Larry Schmidt to Munich Germany:

"This town is a battleground and that is no joke. I am a hero to the right, a stormtrooper to the left."

"I have worked out a deal with the chairman of YAF. The arrangements are always delicate, very delicate. If I don't produce the bodies it is likely Dale (Davenport) will think me a phoney."

"He needs our help now. Adlai Stevenson is scheduled here on the 24th."

"Kennedy is scheduled in Dallas on November 24."

"All big things are happening now."


Michael Paine was a descendant of the Cabots on both sides. His cousin Thomas Dudley Cabot, former president of United Fruit, had offered their Gibraltar Steamship as a cover for the CIA during the Bay of Pigs. Another cousin was Alexander Cochrane Forbes, a director of United Fruit and trustee of Cabot, Cabot, and Forbes.
Both Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy were part of the United Fruit team. The Paine family had links with circles of the OSS and the CIA.
Ruth Hyde Paine maintained close ties with the Forbes families. Peter Dale Scott investigated the Paines, "the patrician Paine and Forbes families." A far cry from anybody's neighbor.


The FBI records on Bowen go back to June 4, 1942, in Henderson Springs, Tennessee. He operated a camp for boys known as "Campfire Council." Neighbors complained it was for pro-nazi activities with young fascists. Bowen vehemently opposed the U.S. going to war with nazi Germany. They stomped on the American flag.
Before that, Bowen worked for the Tennessee Valley Authority since 1933.
His dual citizenship between Great Britain and the U.S. took him over the entire globe. So did his use of multiple aliases.
After the Warren Commission published their report in September 1964, several attorneys in the Southwest recognized the name of Osborne.
September 8, 1952, Jake Floyd was murdered. The target was meant to be his father, District Judge Floyd. Two suspects were caught, one got away. Their testimony was about being hired by Osborne and how he ran the school for assassins.
Later investigation revealed Osborne's connections to Division V of the FBI, and to Clay Shaw's Centro Mondiale Commerciale, with funding coming from New Orleans for the CIA, Anti-Castro Cubans, and others.
Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a tourist card to enter Mexico while still in New Orleans on September 17, 1963.
Four other persons, having consecutive tourist numbers, departed nine days later, like Oswald, all to arrive at the same time, entering from several different cities. They were part of the White Russian Solidarists, the Gehlen emigre community that Lee and Marina mingled with.
This assassination team funded Maurice Brooks Gatlin, Guy Bannister, and the Miami office of Double Check Corporation.
J. Edgar Hoover's Division V, Domestic Intelligence, working with the American Council of Christian Churches, had used this group from the Bowen-Osborne academy of assassins.


The anti-Jewish / Catholic / NAZI alliances

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 12:12 PM
It is indeed some sort of irony that one of the best analysis done for the JFK hit came from a Jewish Lady living in Mt. Carmel, California.

This is a part of Project Camelot:


Mae began to realize that the international terrorist network that made up the Axis powers during World War II had effectively gone underground and continued their worldwide fascist campaign even before the War had officially ended; As one country after another changed hands, Mae recognized many of the same familiar names, methods, and tactics that were used to swallow up Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.

Unfortunately this growing list of countries does not exclude the United States; Most anything Americana is being infiltrated, raped, murdered, infected, poisoned, or deregulated. As Mae stated at the University of California in Santa Cruz: "What is happening to us is a classical case of totally destroying us. And by the same people who've been at the top doing it since World War Two."


Mae's most shocking crystal ball research was probably her March 29, 1981 evening broadcast when she spent much of the hour listing the reasons she believed the Reagan White House were at war with one another and asked who will kill off their team members first. The following morning President Reagan was shot in Washington D.C.

In addition to Mae's close friends and weekly listeners, she corresponded and networked with such people as Jim Garrison, Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, and Larry Flynt. Her first published article in Paul Krassner's The Realist was actually financed by John Lennon. And Frank Zappa once gave her a computer for filing and cross-indexing her research (but she never used it).


Mae--The Rabbi's Daughter


When one looks most carefully, one discovers this huge system allied over battles against Communism. It is so large, so national and international in scope, that JFK underestimates the power to gain control over him by assassination.

When we look we find the interests that wanted to kill JFK and blame the Jews, the Interests of the NAZI allied Catholics that hated the Russian's Communism and Jewish, and the Mason allied English Royalists wanting JFK gone.

We also discover Ronald Reagan's alliances with those of the Gehlen Organization and General Walker, and some military units once allied with General Walker in Germany setting up hit plans in Dallas and even getting a Jewish guy to frame the hit. Plus, the see the Jewish Mason from Hungary allied with PERMINDEX.


The selected advisory board for YAF was a Who's Who of oldies even then: Senator Strom Thurmond, Senator John Tower, Mr. Ronald Reagan, Professor Lev Dobriansky, General Charles Willoughby, and Mr. Robert Morris are a sample.
Robert Morris may not be a household name. But William Buckley knew him well, and Morris, Nixon, and Senator Joe McCarthy were team players. Senator Joe McCarthy's two strongest supporters for him to represent Wisconsin were Frank Seusenbrenner and Walter Harnisfeger. Both admired Adolf Hitler and made continuous trips to Germany.
Senator McCarthy obliged fast enough. Before he went after the Commies in the State Department, he had to release a few of Hitler's elite nazis lingering in the Dachau prison camp. McCarthy beat John McCloy by about three years.


After McCarthy died, Morris moved to Dallas, Texas. He was a judge, and became president of Dallas University.
In 1961, a year after Buckley founded YAF, another conservative organization was formed in Munich, Germany, calling itself CUSA, Conservatism USA. These were not students, but members of the U.S. army, soon to be mustered out, then to appear in Dallas, Texas, by November 1963. The host would be Robert Morris.


(Bernard Weissman, the only Jew, was brought all the way to Dallas on November 22, 1963, to lend his name to the "Wanted for Treason" fliers handed out to welcome JFK. He testified that the John Birch Society paid for the ads and "wanted a Jewish name at the bottom.")


One of the most consistent conservatives among Buckley's YAF Advisory Board was Senator John Tower, Texas.
If there is anything he wouldn't want in his back yard it was a defector and his allegedly Communist wife from Minsk.
Yet, two years after joining the YAF team in 1960, Tower was passing all waivers in order for Marina Oswald to get to the United States as soon as possible. Without his permission, this trip might never have taken place. Many wives from the USSR are not that lucky.


Remember Gary Powers strongly hinted at Oswald's role in downing the U-2, breaking up the Eisenhower-Khrushchev meeting while Lee was employed at the Minsk Radio factory?


The military from Munich, Germany, that was to take over the YAF, with Robert Morris' help, have yet to be identified or interviewed (Morris from U.S. intelligence, having to do with USSR covert work.) Gen. Edwin Walker's arrangement with U.S. Military in Germany or, the arrival of such people for Nov. 22, 1963, is open to question.
Albert Osborne's "mission" in Mexico, with direct links to Clay Shaw's Centro Mondiale Commerciale, has never been touched. This was the international band of killers with the Borghese-James Angleton operations working throughout the world.
Otto Skorzeny's CIA and Reinhard Gehlen death squads, with headquarters in Madrid, were funded by Martin Bormann when the Evita Peron funds were shared after 1952.
Lebedev mentions "Ruth," David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Guy Bannister, and Colonel Orlov.
The very first day George de Mohrenschildt visited Marina Oswald she was alone and Lee was working. He brought with him a "Colonel Orlov."
The House Select Committee on Assassinations "investigated" the murder of President John F. Kennedy from 1976-1978. The information about Bormann was available from 1971. Treason for My Daily Bread was published while they were supposed to be finding the smoking gun.


The Rebel Publication's 4th Rite

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 12:41 PM
Then if we look a little more closely at Lee Harvey Oswald's roots, we find his New York Uncles were from Communist Hungary, and then why LHO's Russian Accent was so well done for White Russians.

We find that LHO got recruited into the anti-Communist efforts by Gehlen's alliances and his designated goal was to end the Progress of Eisenhower with Peace with Russia. The English Royals of Mason Churchill's games wanted war with Russia, and the anti-Communists of the Gehlen group wanted the satellite states of Russia to fall.

Basically, so did the PERMINDEX group wanted war with Russia and then promote Catholic Rome.

But, when the hit on Castro failed, all their guns turned on JFK.

But, PERMINDEX had to take the leading role:


The California PDID was exposed on May 24, 1983 as spying on law abiding citizens at an expense of $100,000, utilizing a computerized dossier system bought by the late Representative Larry McDonald's "Western Goals." (McDonald was a national leader of the John Birch Society, which was exceedingly active in Dallas preceding the Kennedy assassination. Western Goals has offices in Germany run by Eugene Wigner that feed data to the Gehlen BND.)
On the board of Western Goals are such Cold Warriors as Edward Teller, Admiral Thomas Moorer and Dr. Hans Senholt, once a Luftwaffe pilot.
SS Colonel Skorzeny's CIA agents participated in terror campaigns waged by Operation 40 in Guatemala, Brazil and Argentina. Skorzeny was also in charge of the Paladin mercenaries, whose cover, M.C. Inc., was a Madrid export-import firm.


Otto Skorzeny code-named his assault on American soldiers in the Battle of the Bulge Operation Greif, the "Condor." He continued Condor with his post-war special teams that imposed "sanctions," meaning the assassination of enemies. Skorzeny's father-in-law was Hjalmar Schacht, president of Hitler's Reichsbank. Schacht guided Onassis' shipyards in rebuilding the German and Japanese war fleets. In 1950 Onassis signed on Lars Anderson for his whaling ships on the hunt off Antarctica and Argentina. Anderson had belonged to Vidkum Quisling's nazi collaborationist group in Norway during the war. Clay Shaw, who was charged by New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison with complicity in the JFK assassination, was a close friend of Hjalmar Schacht.


Before the election of 1960, a group within the Christian Right plotted to kill John Kennedy in Van Nuys, California while he was still a candidate. The group was a meld of anti-Castro Cubans, Minutemen and home-grown nazis. Some were sought by Jim Garrison, following his arrest of Clay Shaw, for testimony before the New Orleans grand jury. When Garrison forwarded extradition papers for Edgar Eugene Bradley, a member of the group, Governor Ronald Reagan refused to sign them.


When Clay Shaw was arrested by Jim Garrison the news was of particular interest to the Italian newspaper Paesa Sera. It followed up with a story that Shaw belonged to a cover organization in Rome named Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC). Its location was frequently moved, its presidents rotated; its modus operandi altered. CMC included Italian fascists, elements of the European paramilitary right, the CIA, and the U.S. Defense Department. There were major shareholders with banks located in Switzerland, Miami, Basel and other major cities.
CMC had been formed in 1961, one year after Kennedy was elected. Its principals had worked with fascist networks established after World War II. The board of directors numbered Ferenc Nagy, a former Hungarian premier who led that country's Anti-Communist Countrymen's Party in exile. J. Edgar Hoover brought Nagy to the United States, where there were numerous Gehlen-supported emigre organizations. On August 18, 1951, the Saturday Evening Post pictured Nagy with Czech, Pole, Hungarian and Russian exiles under the heading: "They Want Us To Go to War Right Now." On November 22, 1963 Nagy was living in Dallas.


Paesa Sera reported on March 4, 1967 that CMC was a creature of the CIA serving as a money conduit, and that Shaw and Bloomfield conducted illegal political espionage under its cover. In New Orleans, Shaw was the respected citizen who had helped restore the French Quarter. In Rome he was a vital member of the boards of twin companies dealing with fascists accused of European assassinations. Shaw's address book contained the private number of Principessa Marcelle Borghese, now Duchessa de Bomartao, who is related to Prince Valerio Borghese. Called the "Black Prince" and "The New Duce," Borghese was leader of the Movimento Sociale Italiano, a neo-fascist syndicate. The Black Prince, who was a decorated submarine captain in the First World War, was convicted of cooperating with the nazis in WW II and given 12 years in prison.
The Black Prince is the same Borghese rescued by the CIA's James J. Angleton. No wonder Angleton was awarded the Sovereign Military Order of Malta by the Pope after the war. It might explain what Angleton was hinting at when questioned about the murder of JFK: "A mansion has many rooms; there were many things during the period; I'm not privy to who struck John."
Clay Shaw's affiliation with Permindex would plug in later to Argentina, Spain, Rome, New Orleans and Dallas. The international range of hit teams, using CIA money diverted overseas to cover companies set up by the Gehlen Organization, started coming together after Shaw's arrest.


Gehlen tapped the ranks of his wartime Russian collaborators for a cadre of spies to be parachuted into the Soviet Union. Some of these spies were schooled at the CIA's clandestine base at Atsugi, Japan, where, in 1957, a young Marine named Lee Harvey Oswald was posted to the U-2 spy plane operation there.
Atsugi was only one station on Oswald's Far East intelligence route; he was also at the U-2 base at Subic Bay in the Philippines and, for a short while, at Ping-Tung. Taiwan In 1959 he was transferred to a Marine base at Santa Ana, California for instructions in radar surveillance. His training officer had graduated from the Georgetown School of Foreign Service, which had close Agency ties. In May, 1960, when President Eisenhower was planning a summit meeting with Soviet Premier Khrushchev, a U-2 was shot down over Russia and its pilot captured. The pilot, Francis Gary Powers, later blamed his demise on Lee Harvey Oswald. The U-2 affair effectively sabotaged Ike's summit meeting.


The Recruitment of LHO


In the Mix, we find the Name Eugene Wigner, who is from Budapest, Hungarian originally and he started the Manhattan Project Basically. Naturally he would ally with the Gehlen Organization in the post war years of NAZI Germany. Since Wigner had strong ties with Oak Ridge, we soon find that Lee Harvey Oswald comes to Oak Ridge in the July 1963 time frame as part of an anti-Communist plan to off Castro with a Cancer method using radiation and cancer viruses. That plot took place in New Orleans. Involved PERMINDEX and the other Hungarians and their Jewish associated factions. imho

If push came to shove in the anti-Communist planning to kill JFK, then all the signposts would point to the Jewish factions and leave out the English Royalists/Mason factions and the Catholic plotting NAZI factions similarly behind the JFK hit and its cover up. imho

The fear was that if Jim Garrison got that close, that all the rest of the alliances would come into view----and the highest rank heads in the US would have to be charged with treason and aid to the enemy. imho


Wigner returned to Budapest, where he went to work at his father's tannery, but in 1926, he accepted an offer from Karl Weissenberg at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin.


Although he was a professed political amateur, on August 2, 1939, he introduced Leó Szilárd to Albert Einstein for a meeting that resulted in the Einstein-Szilárd letter which urged President Franklin D. Roosevelt to initiate the Manhattan Project to develop atomic bombs.[27]


In 1946, Wigner accepted a position as the Director of Research at the Clinton Laboratory (now the Oak Ridge National Laboratory) in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. When the newly created Atomic Energy Commission took charge of the laboratory's operations at the start of 1947, Wigner feared that many of the technical decisions would be made in Washington.[36] He also saw the Army's continuation of wartime security policies at the laboratory as a "meddlesome oversight", interfering with research.[37] Feeling unsuited to a managerial role in such an environment, he left Oak Ridge at the end of summer in 1947 and returned to Princeton University. He maintained a consulting role with the facility for many years.[36] In the postwar period he served on a number of government bodies, including the National Bureau of Standards from 1947 to 1951, the mathematics panel of the National Research Council from 1951 to 1954, the physics panel of the National Science Foundation, and the influential General Advisory Committee of the Atomic Energy Commission from 1952 to 1957 and again from 1959 to 1964.[38] He also contributed to civil defense.[39]


Eugen Wigner, Budapest, Oak Ridge Nat Lab

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 12:55 PM
Then we all discover why there are statues of Ronald Reagan in Hungary, because he played a role in the Anti-Communist efforts and took credit for the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the return of the satellite states from Russia.

And that Ronald Reagan helped cover up the Hungarians associated with the killing of JFK for making peace with Russia and Cuba and going against this huge international anti-Communism effort, which LHO took part in via Gehlin and PERMINDEX.

We find the USAEC connections via Eugene Wigner and Oak Ridge, and the NASA connections via the NAZIs down at Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, then to the FBI and Louis Bloomfield alliances to DISC and to PERMINDEX.

Then we find the Catholic side in John McCloy, allied with the Royalist Mason side of Mason Churchill, Hoover, Dulles, et al.

Then the net is around all those that sought to kill JFK over his Communist friendly ideas, his shooting the Royalists in the foot on the Jewish Banking linked Fed Res money grabbing from the US, then the NAZIs Catholic associated dislike of English Masons and Jews. Then the evil triangle alliance to keep American's from the truth of who all was behind killing JFK. imho

If the Communist done it excuse failed; The Jews of PERMINDEX had to become the next fall guy for the other two, if things came to bear----or that used to black mail each other into silence. imho

One can see that Lee Harvey Oswald, of the White Russian origin, that knew Gehlen and PERMINDEX could not be allowed to speak in his defense.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 01:42 PM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Right. I barely know where to start with this mountain of conjecture and conspiracy theories with no actual proof behind it. You do know that Churchill was out of power when the Cold War started don't you? Hello? Maggers old bean?

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 01:51 PM

The point of the Essene being associated with the Spartans via Pythagoras is well supported in history, as is the Celts being associated with the Spartans. Thus, making it sustained that Joseph would partner with the Celts easily. Such became the link of Arthur looking for the Grail theme. And Thus the connections of the JFK theme linked to Camelot is sustained. imho

(Facepalm) There is still NO proof at all of contact between the Spartans and Yr Hen Ogledd, still less any proof of the Essenes being in Valentia. No proof at all. Not even a fragment. And the Arthur - Grail link is the product of medieval poetry.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 01:53 PM
Thus, one can read that PERMINDEX, via Nagy, went to war against the US via involvement in the killing of JFK. imho

One can see that the Zionist's knowledge of this allowed Israel to black mail the US into allowing nuclear materials thefts from NUMEC in Apollo, Pa., as LBJ and Hoover both ignored it happening. That got the Israel Dimona nuclear projects working using US nuclear weapons materials that the Mossad was removing from the US.

Then, as the Germans were helping the Egyptians build rockets, that escalated into the 6 day war, which had Israel to declare war on the USS Liberty ship in attempts to sink it and make it appear Egypt had done the attack. imho

But, that attack also got the Gehlen Org attention due to the attack on a US Ship via the Germans efforts to arm Egypt.

Still, The Israelis were caught in the deed and they had the black-mail material from the JFK hit to put LBJ in jail and half the CIA Intelligence Community to include the Gehlen Org, so LBJ pretended the Israeli's did no wrong. Yet, they declared war on a US Ship.

Such is what happens when information isn't uniformly shared and one faction can black mail the others. imho

Now, these various factions appear more aimed at the destruction of the US, before its people learn the truth of what elements came to take American's Freedoms when they killed JFK. Then due to those wars, demand their rights, freedoms, and compensation for the wrongs committed against the US.

After all, from the Hitler war the allies were still dividing up IG Farben's assets in 1991. Such were war crimes.

And these monster conspiracy killings and declarations of war on the US are war crimes also, and basic terrorism against the US. imho

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 01:58 PM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

If you mean Imre Nagy, then you need to do some very basic research, because he died in 1958. That's five years before JFK died and two years before he became President.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 03:35 PM
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

If you are really that ill informed, you don't even need to be in a JFK connected topic. Anyone that has read this thread knows the Nagy that lived in Dallas at the time JFK was killed has been repeatedly stated time and again. imho

Use Google, as you tell everyone else to do, and stop the misleading Mason rhetoric.

While you look up Nagy in Dallas, look up the anti-Christ and discover that means Satan, and that Masons fit the signature. As they take up the false attributes of Rome about Jesus. And those false attributes stem from the King James Bible of the Masons, plus the Masons emulation of the Pharisee Temple that hated Jesus. imho

Then look up the horn symbolism from the Celts and Essene, and recall the original Horn of Plenty themes for the Thanks Giving Days of the first US Pioneers. Then apply that symbolism to Revelations. Discover it was written in Greek, thus connected with the Spartans and the Essene, and the Celts.

Then discover the Masons are Satanic in nature, and are elements of the anti-Christ. However, JFK was element of the Christ. JFK didn't want to be King, but Crooked Mason Connected LBJ said he was King. Jesus didn't want to be King either, just a Teacher of Righteousness, but the Crooked Romans and Corrupt Temple called him King. It appears the Mason's temple and the crooked Pharisee temple are one in the same. imho

Then look up the time the Illuminati discovered that Rome lied on the Bible via huge omissions, and at the very same time both the US and Illuminism were founded on the same foundations of religious corruption being a serious issue to protect Govt from corruption. 1776. imho

Then explain to the world how Masons build better men because they have these "Raisings/Degrees" that threaten to hang people if they tell on the other's crimes. Plus, then push them off things and point swords and guns at them and do more intimidation and hazing to scare the persons into submission. Those various "raisings" are about how to build a RICO Act Crime Organization, that is organized on not reporting the others crimes. It then becomes obvious that Masons are not about building better men, only men composed for criminal methods of deceit and treachery. imho

It appears the Masons are about going down to Hell, rather than up to Heaven, openness, truth, honestly, everyone treated equally, no segregation, real equality of wealth, education, opportunity, et al.

It is obvious on these themes that Dallas=Ferenc

edit on 24-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Masons pathway for Decent into Hell and the beast of Satan worship. imho

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 03:52 PM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

It's becoming increasingly obvious that a) you have a bee in your bonnet about masons and that b) you know nothing about the history of the Celts. I do, as I'm one of them. I see that you still have no verifiable proof about a link between Valentia, the Spartans (who were a land power by the way) and the Essenes. There's a reason for that by the way. There isn't actually any such link.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 04:38 PM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

One of the best analysis done for the JFK hit came from a Jewish Lady living in Mt. Carmel, California.

There's only a few people on ATS who know about Mae Brussell!

Mae's research collection included about 50 filing cabinets, thousands of books on history and assassination research, including 17 years of audio taped shows called 'Dialogue Conspiracy' and 'Worldwatchers'.

The initial January 1984 issue of the shortly lived "Rebel" magazine contained what many regard to be Mae’s signature article, “The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination.”

Here is something that I learned from listening to Mae's tapes: Gerald Ford (not his real name) 33rd degree Mason wrote a book, "Portrait of the Assassin" (1965) attempting to re-write Oswald's personal history.

During his confirmation hearings for Vice President in November 1973, Gerald Ford was asked about using excerpts from the top secret 1/27/1964 Warren Commission transcript in his book, Portrait of the Assassin.

Did Ford, a 33rd degree Mason, participate in a conspiracy to cover up the facts of the JFK assassination? Yes he did.

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 04:50 PM
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

Just recounting the Mason's Initiations, and what they have a history of doing. imho

If they built honest men. they don't need secrets. If there is a crime, report it, don't hide it.

Masons do what most call Corrupt Society methods. imho

Else, show the world where you tell the members to report other members crimes. Show Initiations that don't haze people.

Show the world men of good character by complete openness, and explain seeking the light means you don't need a silly temple with no windows. imho

Also, ask relevant questions that show you can follow the thread and not ask questions on dead Nagys.

I personally think that anyone that seriously looks at Mason's methods (after those of G. Washington's Era) and designs would toss them out of their country or in jails. imho
edit on 24-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Crooks and Masons imho

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 04:52 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Correct !

posted on Jan, 24 2014 @ 05:02 PM

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

Just recounting the Mason's Initiations, and what they have a history of doing. imho

If they built honest men. they don't need secrets. If there is a crime, report it, don't hide it.

Masons do what most call Corrupt Society methods. imho

Else, show the world where you tell the members to report other members crimes. Show Initiations that don't haze people.

Show the world men of good character by complete openness, and explain seeking the light means you don't need a silly temple with no windows. imho

Also, ask relevant questions that show you can follow the thread and not ask questions on dead Nagys.

I personally think that anyone that seriously looks at Mason's methods (after those of G. Washington's Era) and designs would toss them out of their country or in jails. imho
edit on 24-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Crooks and Masons imho

Aha. Judging by the above, you seem to think that I'm a mason. One teensy problem: I'm not. You might want to turn your paranoia level down a tad.

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