Woman's Death Linked to Alternative Cancer Treatment

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nofear39

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nofear39


I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...

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But cancer can spread and stop all on its own.
Especially tumours and especially if you've had prior treatment.

I'm not saying that what you took had no effect whatsoever, I don't know enough about them to comment but the likelihood is that your initial treatment did enough to have the overall effect of limiting the subsequent tumours.

I understand what you are saying,if the tumours didnt appear so long after the chemo i'd agree but they appeared 12 months later ... I can't say 100% that it was what i took, until the is more research into it i will never know ... but i believe it worked for me

Good luck to you.

Here's a thought.
Go back to Christie's and speak with your oncologist about what you've done and see what he (she?) says.
Knowing a few people there they seem to be very patient-centric and if the oncologist agrees that what you took did the job I'm sure he'll be more than willing to write it up as a case-study.
That way your story could be published in scientific journals and carry far more gravitas than if just written on a conspiracy website.
It could also lead to further research being done into mebendazole.

However, looking at your post again, I still think the conventional treatment did the trick. For now anyway.
One thing to remember is that quite often chaemo is used with surgery as a double-whammy. The surgery rids you of the tumours and the chaemo stops them from re-appearing. Cancer cells can lie dormant for years so as I said, make sure you keep your next appointment with the onc (if you have one) and let them give you a thorough going over.
The good thing is that all this won't cost you a penny so take full advantage of their expertise, it's a very good hospital.

I've got to go back in 5-6 months for a CT scan ...if that comes back all clear again i will tell the specialist what ive been taking and see what his response is

nofear39

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nofear39

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nofear39


I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...

edit on 9-1-2014 by nofear39 because: (no reason given)

But cancer can spread and stop all on its own.
Especially tumours and especially if you've had prior treatment.

I'm not saying that what you took had no effect whatsoever, I don't know enough about them to comment but the likelihood is that your initial treatment did enough to have the overall effect of limiting the subsequent tumours.

I understand what you are saying,if the tumours didnt appear so long after the chemo i'd agree but they appeared 12 months later ... I can't say 100% that it was what i took, until the is more research into it i will never know ... but i believe it worked for me

Good luck to you.

Here's a thought.
Go back to Christie's and speak with your oncologist about what you've done and see what he (she?) says.
Knowing a few people there they seem to be very patient-centric and if the oncologist agrees that what you took did the job I'm sure he'll be more than willing to write it up as a case-study.
That way your story could be published in scientific journals and carry far more gravitas than if just written on a conspiracy website.
It could also lead to further research being done into mebendazole.

However, looking at your post again, I still think the conventional treatment did the trick. For now anyway.
One thing to remember is that quite often chaemo is used with surgery as a double-whammy. The surgery rids you of the tumours and the chaemo stops them from re-appearing. Cancer cells can lie dormant for years so as I said, make sure you keep your next appointment with the onc (if you have one) and let them give you a thorough going over.
The good thing is that all this won't cost you a penny so take full advantage of their expertise, it's a very good hospital.

I've got to go back in 5-6 months for a CT scan ...if that comes back all clear again i will tell the specialist what ive been taking and see what his response is

Ask for your blood-work to be done as well.
Good luck.

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nofear39

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nofear39

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nofear39


I had chemo and a year later it spread , then took what i took and it stopped spreading and disappeared .. hows that got any thing to do with chemo ? ..... cancer doesnt spread and stop for no reason ...

edit on 9-1-2014 by nofear39 because: (no reason given)

But cancer can spread and stop all on its own.
Especially tumours and especially if you've had prior treatment.

I'm not saying that what you took had no effect whatsoever, I don't know enough about them to comment but the likelihood is that your initial treatment did enough to have the overall effect of limiting the subsequent tumours.

I understand what you are saying,if the tumours didnt appear so long after the chemo i'd agree but they appeared 12 months later ... I can't say 100% that it was what i took, until the is more research into it i will never know ... but i believe it worked for me

Good luck to you.

Here's a thought.
Go back to Christie's and speak with your oncologist about what you've done and see what he (she?) says.
Knowing a few people there they seem to be very patient-centric and if the oncologist agrees that what you took did the job I'm sure he'll be more than willing to write it up as a case-study.
That way your story could be published in scientific journals and carry far more gravitas than if just written on a conspiracy website.
It could also lead to further research being done into mebendazole.

However, looking at your post again, I still think the conventional treatment did the trick. For now anyway.
One thing to remember is that quite often chaemo is used with surgery as a double-whammy. The surgery rids you of the tumours and the chaemo stops them from re-appearing. Cancer cells can lie dormant for years so as I said, make sure you keep your next appointment with the onc (if you have one) and let them give you a thorough going over.
The good thing is that all this won't cost you a penny so take full advantage of their expertise, it's a very good hospital.

I've got to go back in 5-6 months for a CT scan ...if that comes back all clear again i will tell the specialist what ive been taking and see what his response is

Ask for your blood-work to be done as well.
Good luck.

I will do ... thanks

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Thank you!
Rainbows
Jane

angelchemuel
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Thank you!
Rainbows
Jane

No problem

I would never take anything with the name cesium or any heavy metals for cancer treatments.

Instead, you do what you can medically, but I would weigh everything up and hold off on the chemo by first using organic baking soda and molasses, but only after jucing some natural herbals and basically "mother". So medical cannabis and B17, would be first on the plate.

angelchemuel
... but have you looked into Essiac.

Just to say, that I have been aware of Essiac for decades and always felt that was the route I'd take if need be. However, when I was diagnosed with a fast-growing prostate cancer, I did several months of Essiac, Budwig Protocol, and Zyflamend. No change in PSA velocity. Radiation stopped it dead, and I'm 6 years clear.

Zyflamend is in clinical trials, though, and might be worth considering.

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That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

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anonentity
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I agree with all you say, but there has got to be a bit more here than meets the eye, this guy isn't going to make a red cent out of a product that can be bought cheaply in any spice isle. Other people are trying it and reporting back. I have taken the stuff everyday, usually
smeared into the butter on a sandwich to take the sting out. Just as a precaution. The Spices when used in greater quantities than for simple flavouring have marked and interesting medical effects. They are not a magic pill as such as it takes a few days for the cumulative effect to show. Besides Cayenne, root ginger has been tested and to be found as good as Iboprophen I take about a cubic inch a day and my back pain disappeared. You have to ask why in ancient times was it worth its weight in gold. But I digress! www.cancerforums.net...

Nope there hasn't got to be more than it.
Have a look at confirmation bias.
And there are plenty of people making a good living on selling books and web space promoting nonsense.
Capsaicin has been tested quite thoroughly and it does have some mild anti-cancer properties in the lab but at the same time it has been found to have carcinogenic properties too, especially in the upper G.I. tract.


That's interesting can I have a look at your sources? as its the first I have heard of it.
So whilst some substances show initial promise, most don't make it to the next stage.

anonentity

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anonentity
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I agree with all you say, but there has got to be a bit more here than meets the eye, this guy isn't going to make a red cent out of a product that can be bought cheaply in any spice isle. Other people are trying it and reporting back. I have taken the stuff everyday, usually
smeared into the butter on a sandwich to take the sting out. Just as a precaution. The Spices when used in greater quantities than for simple flavouring have marked and interesting medical effects. They are not a magic pill as such as it takes a few days for the cumulative effect to show. Besides Cayenne, root ginger has been tested and to be found as good as Iboprophen I take about a cubic inch a day and my back pain disappeared. You have to ask why in ancient times was it worth its weight in gold. But I digress! www.cancerforums.net...

Nope there hasn't got to be more than it.
Have a look at confirmation bias.
And there are plenty of people making a good living on selling books and web space promoting nonsense.
Capsaicin has been tested quite thoroughly and it does have some mild anti-cancer properties in the lab but at the same time it has been found to have carcinogenic properties too, especially in the upper G.I. tract.


That's interesting can I have a look at your sources? as its the first I have heard of it.
So whilst some substances show initial promise, most don't make it to the next stage.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

www.sciencedaily.com...

angelchemuel
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That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

They're not treated the same using conventional medicine however they can provide reproducible results.
Alternative medicine does not cure cancer so cannot provide any results.

How many people have you cured of cancer?

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angelchemuel
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That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

They're not treated the same using conventional medicine however they can provide reproducible results.
Alternative medicine does not cure cancer so cannot provide any results.

How many people have you cured of cancer?

You what? Are you for real?...you show me yours and I'll show you mine....I've detected cancer in MANY people BEFORE the medical establishment have as their tests came back negative. Secondly......oh you know what...I can't be arsed

angelchemuel

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angelchemuel
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That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

They're not treated the same using conventional medicine however they can provide reproducible results.
Alternative medicine does not cure cancer so cannot provide any results.

How many people have you cured of cancer?

You what? Are you for real?...you show me yours and I'll show you mine....I've detected cancer in MANY people BEFORE the medical establishment have as their tests came back negative. Secondly......oh you know what...I can't be arsed

No you haven't.
You lie.
Prove otherwise.

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angelchemuel

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angelchemuel
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

They're not treated the same using conventional medicine however they can provide reproducible results.
Alternative medicine does not cure cancer so cannot provide any results.

How many people have you cured of cancer?

You what? Are you for real?...you show me yours and I'll show you mine....I've detected cancer in MANY people BEFORE the medical establishment have as their tests came back negative. Secondly......oh you know what...I can't be arsed

No you haven't.
You lie.
Prove otherwise.

Chemo cures only 3% of cancers. Most who take it die a brutal demeaning death. 75% of doctors that get cancer don't undertake chemo. They prefer nothing. That shows precisely how much sh!te it really is.

You prove otherwise! I've known many people who took chemo and died a brutal death. I've known a few who did natural cures and are around to tell me about it.

Macdon
I've known many people who took chemo and died a brutal death. I've known a few who did natural cures and are around to tell me about it.

Gee...do you think cancer may have been a contributing factor?
There are numerous people on ATS who owe their lives to conventional cancer treatment...myself included. I have counted two who have succeeded using alternative means. I'm talking about first person accounts, not "I know a guy" or "I read on the net". My issue is that cancer is a great deal more treatable when detected early. When patients are scared off of standard treatments and lose their window of opportunity because they listen to breathless proponents of alternative 'cures'...well, there's no accountability there, is there?

An edit to state that you do what you do after careful consideration, including what you're told by medical practitioners who have devoted their lives to fighting cancer. One more thing...unless you have personally heard the words You have cancer...you don't know squat.

FortAnthem
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If you inject too much of ANYTHING into your body, it could prove fatal. Like I said in my other post, I haven't seen anywhere that injection of cesium is recommended.

This. One problem I see is that when people see "natural", homeopathic", or "alternative," they incorrectly assume that their are no risks or side effects.

Macdon

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angelchemuel

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angelchemuel
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

They're not treated the same using conventional medicine however they can provide reproducible results.
Alternative medicine does not cure cancer so cannot provide any results.

How many people have you cured of cancer?

You what? Are you for real?...you show me yours and I'll show you mine....I've detected cancer in MANY people BEFORE the medical establishment have as their tests came back negative. Secondly......oh you know what...I can't be arsed

No you haven't.
You lie.
Prove otherwise.

Chemo cures only 3% of cancers. Most who take it die a brutal demeaning death. 75% of doctors that get cancer don't undertake chemo. They prefer nothing. That shows precisely how much sh!te it really is.

You prove otherwise! I've known many people who took chemo and died a brutal death. I've known a few who did natural cures and are around to tell me about it.

They don't? I'd like to see some hard data on 75% of doctors not taking chemo when indicated.

angelchemuel

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angelchemuel
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

That's interesting, thank you.
I had the Essiac book with the foreword by JFK's physician who cured his prostrate cancer with Essiac.
Being a complimentary therapist, I also totally and utterly believe that each individual solely by their nature, has to find the remedy that works for them. Hence the reason there are so many 'alternatives'. Unfortunately allopathic medicine treats everybody the 'same'.

Rainbows
Jane

They're not treated the same using conventional medicine however they can provide reproducible results.
Alternative medicine does not cure cancer so cannot provide any results.

How many people have you cured of cancer?

You what? Are you for real?...you show me yours and I'll show you mine....I've detected cancer in MANY people BEFORE the medical establishment have as their tests came back negative. Secondly......oh you know what...I can't be arsed

Interesting. How did you detect the cancer. How was this detection objectively confirmed?

75 % of oncologists, in one survey, said if they had cancer they would not participate in chemotherapy trials due to its "ineffectiveness and its unacceptable toxicity"?

www.whale.to...

One of my best girlfriends is a radiographer treating cancer patients...she wouldn't undergo the treatment and would persuade her family members not to either.

Another quote from the above link...

When President Reagan had his colon cancer successfully removed by surgery, his health was reported daily as he recovered. On his return to work, a spokesperson appeared, proclaimed him cured, and that was that.

Remove a cancer if its operable yes...but chemo et all is a no, no for me.
Rainbows
Jane