Local lawmakers lead push for prayer in schools bill

reply to post by Krazysh0t

Just STOP making stuff up, it is getting seriously annoying.

IT really is annoying how some people have not grasped the current climate we live in.

Government has become reilgion.

The 'moral compass' of the people.

Really think that is made up?

Take a good look around at this country.

beezzer
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

Condoms are really safe.

But not the safest. Is it?

What do you want to get me to admit with this post? That abstinence is the safest? Well even my sex ed class in high school told me that, but you know what else they told me? About OTHER methods of safe sex. You make it sound like "well abstinence is the safest method of safe sex, therefore that is the be all end all method to practice when it comes to safe sex."

Even the withdrawal method has some benefits to it and is safer then doing nothing:
Withdrawal (Pull Out Method)

Of every 100 women whose partners use withdrawal, 4 will become pregnant each year if they always do it correctly.
Of every 100 women whose partners use withdrawal, 27 will become pregnant each year if they don't always do it correctly

These are all things I want to know about sex before I partake in it with the available tools and materials to practice it safely. Instead, you seem to think the answer is always abstinence. Well I'm sorry that crap is boring, and I'd say that the majority of humanity throughout the ages (Prostitution is always called the oldest profession) agrees with me.

neo96
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

Just STOP making stuff up, it is getting seriously annoying.

IT really is annoying how some people have not grasped the current climate we live in.

Government has become reilgion.

The 'moral compass' of the people.

Really think that is made up?

Take a good look around at this country.

Here we go again... Government has NOT become religion. While government HAS overstepped its bounds in citizens' private lives (I do agree with you there, I am after all a Libertarian), I nor anyone else goes around worshiping the Government. While the Liberal agenda is certainly very intrusive and disrupts the Constitution, it doesn't enact religious policy (I don't tithe to the government I just pay taxes).

reply to post by Krazysh0t


So why can't you apply the same thinking towards the 1 minute at school?

Prayer, quiet reflection, dreaming about the prom. . .

You're okay with the multi-approach to sex-ed even though the safest one is abstinence.

Yet time is spent on all others.

You spent more time on the previous post than a kid would, praying.

reply to post by beezzer


Discipline by doing what? Telling them simply not to have sex? You call that teaching discipline in schools? You think teenagers will respond to this? You know in the world of gum drop and gummy bears we can imagine kids not having sex, old ladies being helped across the road, everybody wearing flag pins. That is not the world we live in today and abstinence classes are not going to change that, not one bit.

Southern Guardian
reply to post by beezzer

 

Discipline by doing what? Telling them simply not to have sex? You call that teaching discipline in schools? You think teenagers will respond to this? You know in the world of gum drop and gummy bears we can imagine kids not having sex, old ladies being helped across the road, everybody wearing flag pins. That is not the world we live in today and abstinence classes are not going to change that, not one bit.

So we shouldn't teach things because it would be difficult?

reply to post by Krazysh0t

Here we go again... Government has NOT become religion

Sure has.

When the majority of people in this country look for money and things they don't turn to the church.

They turn to government.

The biggest fundamental difference between government and church

The church is about spiral growth.

The government is about materialistic growth, and plays to the very worst of people.

One of those things is not like the other.

Do an ATS search about the boy who prayed to the current potus.

reply to post by beezzer


And you still haven't explained how sitting there doing nothing or saying nothing is supposed to teach a child something. All those topics (and more) I mentioned make for an interesting sex education topic. There is literally ZERO information going into your head when you are just sitting there doing nothing. It's stupid. A child can do that on his own time and probably already does it for about most of the school day anyways (in lieu of listening to the teacher's lecture).

Why do we need to put aside time in a student's day so they can think about who they will invite to the prom? It's useless. I figured out who I was going to invite just fine without some waste of time every morning called morning reflection/prayer.

reply to post by neo96


Ok you are seriously offtopic now, and you need to get back on track. I'm not going to debate the (alleged) religious overtones and actions of the government. Take it up with some conservatives on some conservative trash talk forum.

reply to post by beezzer

So we shouldn't teach things because it would be difficult?

I think we should otherwise we are just animals stuck on the continually instant gratification complex of the ID.

IF we truly are an 'enlighten species' the so called most 'evolved' on the planet.

Government and religion go hand in hand.

Remember, back in the day when there was prayer in school the other thing kids prayed to in the morning was the flag.

Statism and religion compete for the same resources. The same minds using the same methods of propaganda.

The enemy of both is the secular anarchism. Non-violence and statism doesn't mesh well, neither does non-violence and religion.

That's my only comment to this back and forth going on in regard to all of this.

In regard to abstinence only education, it is a complete waste of time. It is no way teaches self-control or makes teens less likely to engage in sex.

Know what makes teenagers less likely to engage in unsafe sex?

Full blown knowledge of STDs and unwanted pregnancy.

My first sexual experience was so protected one step further would have been full body latex suits. Why? The internet and pictures of herpes in it's full blown stages scared the # out of me.

Sex education classes are also not very useful. The best thing for teens is access to medical providers and the internet. Kids know about sex whether you teach abstinence only or not. Telling them that sex before marriage is bad means nothing when you're 15, horny, and you think you're in love.

People must not remember being teenagers.

Krazysh0t
reply to post by neo96

 

Ok you are seriously offtopic now, and you need to get back on track. I'm not going to debate the (alleged) religious overtones and actions of the government. Take it up with some conservatives on some conservative trash talk forum.

How is it offtopic ?

re·li·gion noun \ri-ˈli-jən\ : the belief in a god or in a group of gods : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

www.merriam-webster.com...

Have been talking about the topic.

Instead of 4 pages of saying people don't have to keep their pants zipped up because ' thats too difficult'.

reply to post by beezzer

So we shouldn't teach things because it would be difficult?

You're not teaching anything at all by teaching abstinence because kids already know what it is Beezzer.

beezzer
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

So it's okay to take time for the things YOU believe in, but not okay to take the time for the things you don't believe in.

Is sex a belief?

Admittedly I only got to page 4 before I had to post, I am assuming most (if not all) of you are adults-meaning, you have already graduated and are out of school....Do ANY of you really think that this matters to the kids??? Unless you have ingrained YOUR child to your own thought process, then most kids could care less...if anything, it opens a line of questioning and discussion amongst them and the differences between them that really are ok...the world will truly be theirs one day, they will only mimic our faults if we keep constraining them to OUR way of thinking, why are differences so wrong??? If you teach your child tolerance, patience, understanding for others who may not think like they do...you'd be amazed what they just might achieve. Most kids are accepting to most anything, all on their own accord due to their innocence...sadly, it is that very innocence that the adults around them exploit...the world CAN change...it's only 60 seconds, what are so many afraid of? The possibility their child may believe in something that they don't? They have their own mind, don't shut them down due to your own closed mind...and NO I am not advocating anything, truth is I do not go to church or follow a religion,(Yet I do believe in God) but I do have 2 boys age 8 and 10, if they came home and asked to attend church with a friend on Sunday, why would I stop them just because I don't believe in the church side of God???? They will choose on their own, just loosen the grip....

I don't have kids, so I had to look it up, but it was easy to find:

Only two forms of sex education are taught in American schools: "abstinence plus" and "abstinence-only".[citation needed] "Abstinence plus" (also known as comprehensive sex ed) covers abstinence as a positive choice, but also teaches about contraception and the avoidance of STIs when sexually active. A 2002 study conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 58% of secondary school principals describe their sex education curriculum as "abstinence plus".

Abstinence-only sex education tells teenagers that they should be sexually abstinent until marriage and does not provide information about contraception. In the Kaiser study, 34% of high-school principals said their school's main message was abstinence-only.

That should answer the sex ed questions - abstinence is taught - apparently

There is as far as I know still a separation of church and state in this country, so in a public school - no religion is taught and there are no mandatory religious requirements

There are considerations that take into account a kids personal religious beliefs - but that's not the same thing as providing a religious education for them while they're at school

A moment of prayer is something that can be done on their own time anywhere they want whenever they want, and frankly - there's nothing to prevent them from praying while they're at school I don't think. Is there something in the Bible that states that each Christian child has to begin their school day with a prayer while on school grounds - with the rest of their class? Maybe there is, I'm sure I wouldn't know

from ownbestenemy's post:
"Section 59-1-443. All schools shall provide for a minute of mandatory silence at the beginning of each school day, during which time the teacher may deliver a prayer, provided the school allows a student to leave the classroom if the student does not want to listen to or participate in the prayer."

I have to agree with him - the word mandatory is a red flag. A moment of silence being mandatory - for who? Since it leaves it up to the teacher (the teacher MAY deliver a prayer) I have to wonder - if the teacher is an atheist - they just have a moment of silence? Or, does the atheist teacher get to say whatever they want during that moment?

If the teacher is Hindu?

Or, are they pretty much factoring in that most likely the teacher is Christian, so this shouldn't bother anybody?

Weird - seriously - weird. And wrong - but, hey - I'm still comfortable with a separation of church and state

Krazysh0t
reply to post by beezzer

 

And you still haven't explained how sitting there doing nothing or saying nothing is supposed to teach a child something. All those topics (and more) I mentioned make for an interesting sex education topic. There is literally ZERO information going into your head when you are just sitting there doing nothing. It's stupid. A child can do that on his own time and probably already does it for about most of the school day anyways (in lieu of listening to the teacher's lecture).

So we shouldn't do it, because one minute would be boring.

Why do we need to put aside time in a student's day so they can think about who they will invite to the prom? It's useless. I figured out who I was going to invite just fine without some waste of time every morning called morning reflection/prayer.

Perhaps some will use that time to pray.

Spiramirabilis

beezzer
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

So it's okay to take time for the things YOU believe in, but not okay to take the time for the things you don't believe in.

Is sex a belief?

Apparently. The way some people state that it can't be helped, that it is all powerful. That even discipline cannot defeat it.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


The separation of church and state describes the fact that government cannot mandate a religion.

It doesn't say you cannot practice it.

Separation of church and state. Discussion over. You want prayer? Do it on privately owned property.