Can you picture Jesus using genocide as Noah’s God did?

Can you picture Jesus using genocide as Noah’s God did?

The O.T. God has been described as the vilest God imaginable.

The N.T. shows Jesus as a much softer and gentler and loving God.

Many say that Jesus is God even though there are many who dispute that notion for a number of good reasons.

For this O P, I will assume that there is a Trinity. If you are a Trinitarian, then you would have to see the non-judgemental Jesus who would not even stone a prostitute, as the judgemental O.T. God of Noah’s day, --- who will even drown babies and children.

How do you reconcile the O.T. God with the kind, gentle and forgiving Jesus?

Some will point to a new covenant but God himself says that nothing he says will ever be retract and Jesus himself referred back to the old covenant in the bible so let’s not argue that please.

Can you picture Jesus doing the vile things that scriptures say he did in the O.T.?

Regards
DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


What if God changes his mind?

Genocide is only genocide if you target a certain gene pool. If anyone or everyone is targeted evenly it is not an issue. This is the legal definition. We cannot send or exclude a certain genetic pool from going out and fight in wars. The chances that they might be killed cannot be discriminately formed.

So it is legal worldwide to send out everyone to fight in wars or to kill them off with chemicals in foods as long as you do not discriminate. Think about that for a minute. Controlling populations is not considered evil as long as a certain genetic line is not targeted. Hitler broke the law by targeting Jews. If he would have just gassed everyone who didn't agree with him...no problem.

Sons always find ways to disappoint their fathers

Correct me if I am wrong but the man did say:

"I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword."

"Genocide" only sounds like a hop, skip or a jump away...

-Peace-

God - Jesus - Easter Bunny - Santa Claus - Al Qaeda





Several people sitting back rubbing their bellies as they laugh after their creations are accepted en masse....

reply to post by Greatest I am

Some will point to a new covenant but God himself says that nothing he says will ever be retract and Jesus himself referred back to the old covenant in the bible so let’s not argue that please.

I'm sorry, but from the Christian perspective, or at least those who take the bible literally, the new covenant is exactly the argument you're going to get. Just because you reference those old testament scriptures that say the old covenant is perpetual, does not mean you understand them. So by saying you don't want to hear that argument, you have basically said you don't want to hear any explanation from Christians that don't agree with your bias.

As to Jesus being "a much softer and gentler and loving God." You might want to reread the new testament. A different approach? Yes. But he very much supported the God, and the law of the old testament before his crucifixion.

Can you picture Jesus doing the vile things that scriptures say he did in the O.T.?

Actually yes. Yes I can.

It isn't genocide when you try and fix stuff you don't like. God tried to fix stuff he didn't like.
Considering man to be a creation of God, God can make man do anything.

He wouldn't consider death as an end either, only our puny minds do...

Jesus committing genocide would be like a war crime though, as He is born a man.

reply to post by Greatest I am


The O.T. God is not who Christians believe. The Torah is the O.T., plain and simple.

And the Torah is BAAL worship.

maybe if Christians would see the deception. And the REASON for the need of a messenger in human form. To straighten out the deception.

And over time the messenger's myth has been intertwined once again with the Deceiver's.

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Forgive my ignorance, but who is Baal ?

Sinter Klaas
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Forgive my ignorance, but who is Baal ?

Baal, also rendered Baʿal (Biblical Hebrew בַּעַל, pronounced [ˈbaʕal]), is a Northwest Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord"[1] that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian Bēlu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal. "Baʿal" can refer to any god and even to human officials. In some texts it is used for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any Biblical uses of "Baʿal" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven; most refer to a variety of local spirit-deities worshipped as cult images, each called baʿal and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a "false god".

Baal

reply to post by Greatest I am


2 points, first I don't believe in the trinity, second before Jesus came to the earth many sins where capital crimes under God's rules in other words it was the death penalty for immorality. But the ransom sacrifice took that away there would be no death penalty for anything anymore, it negates even the most serious sins such as a rape and murder. But there is usually social/political and cultural consequences for a proclaimed Christian if they were to do that anyways. The ransom is not an excuse to practice sin without consequence, as the bible says you reap what you sow. But the real answer to the OP is that now God could apply the ransom to the world of mankind whereas before he couldn't. Some don't understand the concept, but it stands.

There is only one account where Jesus anger flared in righteous indignation, when capitalism ran rampant at the temple even taking advantage of people. He wouldn't tolerate that.

In the future he will be under direct orders from his Father to take out unrighteous humans living on this earth and yes it will be a "genocide" against unrighteous people that refuse to listen to God. If Jesus followed orders to give up his life, he will follow orders to take lives.

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Thanks !

However... My view on the old testament God is now shattered in disbelief

How can I go on without my God being able to be as ruthless and righteous to make stuff right.
What world do we live in, if God was only loving, and nice ? Nature and stuff, won't fit in line with a sugar daddy, does it ?

Sinter Klaas
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Forgive my ignorance, but who is Baal ?

the story states that people worshipped a 'golden calf'.. wrong. It was the Bull! Saturn EL is the O.T. god. the ELOHIM were his underling Gods



the Saturn Death Cult -- Saturn EL (aka Satan to Christians)




the O.T. God likes the smell of Burnt Flesh!.. hmm?

HanzHenry
the O.T. God likes the smell of Burnt Flesh!.. hmm?

Who doesn't love the smell of BBQ?

-Peace-

The Being who greeted Moses in the backside of the desert, at the burning bush, stated His Name: YHWH. This Name, called the tetragrammaton, is usually rendered as "Yaweh" or "I Am That I Am." Now if we insert the very ancient pictorial meanings of the letters in their place, we get this: Behold, the Hand, Behold, the Nail. It could be none other than Jesus.

Now the second witness. When this same Jesus was crucified, Pilate (He was not the bad guy here, as he tried every political trick at his disposal to save Jesus.) placed a plaque over His head, stating "Jesus [of] Nazareth, King [of the] Jews." He also wrote it in Greek and Hebrew. Now the Hebrew version was also four words, and I don't have usable Hebrew fonts on my Mac, but if we take the initials of the four words (reading right to left, remember), we get that same tetragrammaton, YHWH. No wonder the Jewish leaders wanted Pilate to change it.

So there you have it folks, two witnesses to the vital link between God the Father, and God the Son - centuries apart too. No wonder that Jesus stated that the Father and He were One. "He who has seen Me, has seen the Father."

My own view is that the God of the OT (Jesus) was the way He was, because He had not walked a mile in our proverbial moccasins yet. As Jesus, the God of the NT, He was learning to appreciate the human condition. You might say He grokked us. Of course, He did all along, it was just a way of teaching us.

You can deal with it, or don't.

I always taught that the God Jesus spoke of is a universal God which seems to be neutral good while the Old Testament seems to speak about a powerful creature that would love to be idolized like a god.

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We were not there and even if we had been we do not know how we would have reacted, though god is the god of all spirits of the flesh as Moses called him he is also primarily the god of the soul for which the flesh was created and from where we get the phrase dust to dust as the body is dust and the soul is spirit indeed it is probably the very breath of life mentioned in genesis, At many time god seem's cruel but we are seeing it from a very small perspective like the tip of the iceberg, perhaps that age called violent was an age that would have led to the destruction of the soul and though he destroyed all flesh from off the face of the dry earth it makes no mention of destroying the breath of life, what is of god must return to god and what is of the earth must return to the earth.
It is one of the great struggles trying to come to terms with how this can be the same being but he engineered or forged our race and still doese though today may be like before the flood as prophesized.
It had to be on Gods terms as Whenever he lets it be on our terms it leads to spiralling disease of evil due to our own flawed nature, there was a time when many men whom wished to be like the levites in the old testament demanded of Moses that they could make offering to god but God destroyed them and there households and any one related to them as He must be obeyed not the hidden nature and power lust of ourselves, God accepted there offereing by ordering there brass incence burners be betean and used but he punished them for refusing to obey, it seems awfully unfair and he at times seems cruel and may even be so but we do not see what he does and only he can tell us and that is why we are so fortunate to have been born under Jesus so we can come to him for mercy.
The bible is also though hard to fathom a tool to test and teach and as you reach the new testament in your faith you also reach the newer state of spiritual being though lets be fair the bible is a hard read at times.
I believe god is good though he can seem cruel at time through our eye's with our morals based on his teachings remember, so compare his stern guidence to the people whom he was leading israel against with there human child sacrifice and immoral temple prostitutes, now what you are really comparing is the our nature to gods and our nature created those evil ways and things but he has been trying to show us a better way, that darkness of nature will always be in us so we need his stern guidence and leadership and not just now but maybe for ever.

starwarsisreal
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What if God changes his mind?

Scriptures say that that does not happen.

Regards
DL

rickymouse
Genocide is only genocide if you target a certain gene pool. If anyone or everyone is targeted evenly it is not an issue. This is the legal definition. We cannot send or exclude a certain genetic pool from going out and fight in wars. The chances that they might be killed cannot be discriminately formed.

So it is legal worldwide to send out everyone to fight in wars or to kill them off with chemicals in foods as long as you do not discriminate. Think about that for a minute. Controlling populations is not considered evil as long as a certain genetic line is not targeted. Hitler broke the law by targeting Jews. If he would have just gassed everyone who didn't agree with him...no problem.

And that bit is supposed to exonerate Jesus/God for all those murders is it?

Regards
DL