Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Defragmentor

The best explaination I can think of are essentially induced Eddie currents. Square waves overwhelming circuitry. I don't actually agree with this explaination (I'll call it the Hastings scenario).

Something similar occurred at Ripperston Farm and supposedly at various nuclear middle silos.

The Hastings scenario doesn't really answer anything else though and it very inadequate as an answer to the RFI.

a reply to: ctj83

I thought the effects on the weapons themselves was that certain components were destroyed.
Even removed, melted and ejected by the UFO.
I'm wondering if something was doing that to a certain area it might be a bit more severe than putting the lights on in a locked car?
Maybe depends on how close you are or what output this machine might be using.
Still, could be some kind of field effect.

a reply to: Tulpa

The remove / ejected part I now consider disinformation. I wouldn't take this as gospel and do your own research but it's worth looking into my APEN thread and the phenomenon of 'funded' research and mentor / student relationships with ufologists.

I wish I could say more and even if I'm correct there, it doesn't mean I'm right about the theory that plutonium was converted into iron slag.

I'll leave you with one other thought. Robert Hastings electromagnetic "pinch" theory is incompatible to the point of being mutually exclusive with the "plutonium to iron slag" theory.

a reply to: Tulpa

I'll add that I don't believe in either the Iron Slag theory or the Hastings scenario but if I had to pick one it would be the Hastings scenario.

I'm convinced that there is key clue in the fact that the Ripperston TV would stop working until turned from 240volts to 110 volts.

a reply to: ctj83

Plutonium cannot be converted enmasse to iron without "magic". Yah sure in a supercollider you might get a couple grams per month or year of some type of transmutation.

If you insist on kiloigrams upon kilograms being transmuted all at once...a fleet of star trek enterprise ship's couldn't do that.

But one very cranky "faerie" (native crypto energy being from Earth) HAS been repeatedly reported over the centuries doing just that sort of thing (generally gold to lead slugs).

I hate repeatedly bringing up "faeries" but it makes 1000 times more sense than other theories (for transmutation at least).

I did take nuclear physics in school...

Kev

a reply to: ctj83

Yes. I think both those roads might be dead ends but there's enough there for a temporary diversion.
The whole transmutation thing seems off really.
Also, having read Mirage Men (the book) it places big doubts over the "flying over nuclear bases" question.

That book will end up taking a lot of blame for killing off some closely held ideas about the UFO.
One thing that sticks in my mind is that during some flyovers, the first order was do not open fire.
Teasingly, there's not much detail but it seems that at least some of these events were very terrestrial indeed. Someone knows what they were.

I'm still reading through Sky Crash now and I'm still kind of obsessing over the civilian sightings of big triangles.
I'm theorising that there's some connection between Whyteville, Belgium, Hudson etc.
There's always a red ball zipping about when those big triangles are hanging around.
Its a long shot but maybe its that red thing that came down???
The main three nights are where all the excitement was concentrated but those triangles in the background are hanging heavily in my thoughts.

a reply to: Tulpa

There are 4 categories of UFOs:

1) Fake nuts and bolts CGI
2) Misidentification
3) High Strangeness events which probably can't be photographed.
4) Black Triangle UFOs.

Number 3 interests me....it's almost certainly due to some sort of human/energy cryptid symbiosis.

I'm not certain number 3 will be proven in our lifetimes...probably not.

Number 4 annoys the hell out of me. It smacks of one world government and one world religion shenanigans.

I'm pretty sure once the "Nine collaborators" are ready to make their move number 4 will become more obvious.

But I don't like any of it.

Kev

a reply to: ctj83

I don't believe any nuclear ordnance was destroyed out in Rendlesham forest or in the WSA Bunkers. From what we know the only person to have suffered major adverse effects from the incident is John Burroughs. (Even that is based on his own statements as we cannot verify that ourselves - although Kit Green's comments seem to back up that assertion].

However it is a well known fact that where there are UFOs then the military usually is involved as well..Especially the US military. Perhaps Kev has a point that a bunch of fairies were involved. Although I prefer the term Anomalous Energy Form to explain them. John Burroughs hypnosis mentions that the strange lights were attempting communication of some sort. (I know it's hypnosis and unreliable).

But why did he feel compelled to go back on that 3rd night whilst off duty?




In this short clip he explains how the people on duty were surprised to see him but Halt was not. The blue lights had been flying around for hours and then Colonel Halt tells John he thinks he can bring 'the ship and these things' closer.

Then Bustinza goes with him and they see three blue lights. Halt claims they were speaking to him.

Finally when asked if there was any lifeform in the craft. Burroughs answers

That was the lifeform

If we put Burroughs at the centre of the incident, assume Larry Warren took some of Bustinza's story about the 3 lifeforms and consider the gaps in Halt's tape then maybe we are getting close to what may have happened. It may also explain why the medical records went missing?

The huge stumbling block here is that this is hypnosis. Something I do not consider reliable. But food for thought.

I want to say lots of things, but will just read for now.

a reply to: mirageman

I don't believe that ANY UFO/UAP incident has had ANYTHING to do with nuclear weapons or munitions ever --- not once.

I think that theory with no foundation was spread to further the "nuts and bolts deception".

Now...why military based..?

Of course due to military deception as one.

But two..what does every full military base in the world have tons of?

High powered radars / microwave/ other comm links.

That's the little red wagon people miss.

And perhaps the stealth systems using radioactive paint and plasma films and such technology as well.

We can't assume JUST deception.

Now I know That on one hand I say that EM may be blocking most types of "high strangeness".

But in other cases it may generate "artificial plasmas" such as foo fighters.

I think that the "native energy critters" are unhappy with most EM.

But something of a different type may be cooked up near military bases.

Theories obviously.

But the golden age sightings make me wonder...were those weird diving bell and other small weird "ship's" really "EM SHIELDING" to allow the little energy critters to venture out more safely, and after the Sun was up?

That would help explain the whole "ships which have no engines or subcomponents thing".

It's simple shielding, nothing more. It can be any size, even ridicously small like they often are.

But made to look more "spaceship-like" as the years go on...as a way to keep us, "the enemy of the natural world" from figuring the phenomena out.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman

In this short clip he explains how the people on duty were surprised to see him but Halt was not. The blue lights had been flying around for hours and then Colonel Halt tells John he thinks he can bring 'the ship and these things' closer.

Then Bustinza goes with him and they see three blue lights. Halt claims they were speaking to him.
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The huge stumbling block here is that this is hypnosis. Something I do not consider reliable. But food for thought.

Like you already stated, hypnosis is unreliable.
Before you know it, it becomes a fantasy story made up by your own mind.

Sometimes there are tell-tale signs that a ‘hypnotic regression’ in reality is your own fantasy.
Like the regressions with Jim Penniston that contains a fatal logical flaw:

As soon as I read the Penniston hypnosis transcript, or at least the short extract that’s available to read online, I saw a flaw.

Notwithstanding the arguments about temporal paradoxes and the laws of physics, time travel – even in fiction – doesn’t work this way. These time travellers are telling Penniston that they have come back 40 or 50,000 years in order to have the least effect on the timeline. Nonsense. The further back you go, the greater the effect could be. One person could have spawned millions of descendants in 50,000 years, which means if you interfere with the life of that one person, you alter the course of the lives of all those descendants as well. It’s called the ‘butterfly effect’.

If these time travellers are real, I doubt they would adhere to such obviously faulty logic.

If Penniston’s hypnosis revelations sound like the plot of a movie, it could be that that’s exactly where they came from. Less than a year before Penniston’s hypnosis, a TV movie called Official Denial was broadcast on the Sci Fi Channel. The plot featured an alien craft landing in a forest, occupied by creatures who had come to Earth to obtain genetic material to help save their dying race. The twist ending was that these creatures were not aliens at all. They were evolved humans who had travelled back in time.

The similarities between Official Denial and Penniston’s account of the Rendlesham Forest Incident under hypnosis were not limited to the plot details. Penniston’s words almost mimicked lines of dialogue from the film. At one point near the end of the film, a character says, “They’re not aliens. They’re us. From the future. Our future.”

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Maybe there is also such a clue in John’s regression:

At 03:00 Bustinza enters the story as a short, fat Mexican… A bit of a fantasy stereotype in Burroughs’ head it seems, since Bustinza in reality doesn’t look very short nor very fat in 1980. He is the left kneeling person in the front of this picture.

To my knowledge, none of the witnesses have a conscious memory of ‘telepathic lights’ (?)

a reply to: Guest101

To my knowledge, none of the witnesses have a conscious memory of ‘telepathic lights’ (?)

John Burroughs certainly doesn't. This is why hypnosis is controversial. Burroughs, himself, clearly distances it from what he recalls consciously. However he does seem to be a key part of the story.

a reply to: Guest101

Its an extremely difficult one is it not?

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Marylongstockings

I saw "Official Denial" many years ago whilst sitting behind Jim Penniston in the Ipswich Odeon and remember it well. I recall sitting there munching on a couple of porky pies. Oh hang on no I am telling porky pies I wasn't eating them.



To be honest we've moved on from Jim. His story and the way it keeps getting upgraded almost certainly points to most of it being untrue.

a reply to: mirageman

LOl. Imagine if that were true .

On a serious note though MM. I do understand your sentiment, who could
not under the circumstances and what has transpired?

But, I do have some questions or thoughts.

The binary has been part of the case since 96 or so in LMHs book.
Were where the enthusiasts and experts at that time?
Were was Nick Pope??? Surely it would be reasonable to assume
that questions by Nick to Jim, Linda etc would have started.
What about the RFI followers, experts. Were they not
even curious to want to ask further about all of this?
I see nothing out there were others started any serious
questioning all that time ago. Last but not least, there is
a pending book, its not going to go away. So, if this really
is all bogus, then Jim is setting himself up for further ridicule
as is Gary, the public will have no mercy if its anything
like the Roswell slide fiasco.
I know full well there is much more to the binary situation
but in reality it is mute, at least for now that is.

In passing I did note there is another book announcement and Monroe Neville's
has been added to the pending book.

And onwards it all goes........

These statements made by John Burroughs in the old Rendlesham forum might help to reconstruct the third night and what happened afterwards.

Interesting to know is that a C5 with its own personnel and security came in right after the incidents.

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”I don’t believe there were ever 30-40 people in the forest. There were over 40 people on duty and were listening to the radio traffic. ”

”Also on halts night the 3rd night again nothing had crashed i.e. no fire personnel. ”

”When I got out there on Sat night there was light-alls in a clearing and Halt team was past where we first had our encounter. I know Halt knew where our site was because he went to the site that Friday morning. I also know they were looking at a site on the tape before his encounter with the beams of light beaming at his feet and the lights braking into pieces by the farmers house which is if I remember right is where he stated his site was. ”

”Halt was the highest ranking when I got out there. England was the highest SP Ziegler never came out on anything. Druery OPS officer was not out there when I was there. Armold was a Airmen like me and did not meet up with Halts party he stayed with the light-alls that’s as far as he got. Bustinza was with Halts party and went with me when I ran towards it. MSgt Gulius also might have been out there. ”

“Chris [Armold] was with me and one other person who he did'nt even come close to getting the name right. We were in the back in the stageing area until Halt team allowed us to meet up with them towards the end.”

”There was a blue light over Bentwaters and one out over the coast. But the one I saw first was the one that shot down at us which is the one I think put a beams of light at Halts feet. There was radio traffic that something was coming at us then it shot down at us in the clearing past us and the light-alls making them go on and off and through a pickup truck window and back up into the sky.”

” I was told by Halt when I met up with them that something landed the third night and by Bustinza also. ”

”He never said what landed just something landed he then pointed up in the sky and showed me the blue lights that were flying around. As we watched them that’s when we saw one of them beam lights inside the storage area and the radio traffic went nuts. After that something then appeared in the distance which is what Bustinza and I went after. ”

”As far as the WSA goes I was with Halt and we could see the beams of light going down into the area and we could and this is where the tape comes in could hear everything going on inside the area as it was happening. We could not see the area but we could see the lights going done in the area it was and could hear what was going on. ”

”Bustinza was with Halts party when I met up with them and he and I then went towards whatever it was!!!”

”We both could see it and it was white yellow red and blue. ”

”Whatever it was came over me the white oranges light and then exploded with several blue light coming out of it! This came from Adrian who was behind me laying on the ground watching this happen! ”

”Bustinza and I were running together and he fell down and I kept running. As I was getting close to it all of a sudden it was gone and I was just standing in the field. I don’t know what happened. Bustinza told me he was knocked down and held down afterwards he stated he could not stand up until after whatever it was was gone and I was standing alone in the field. Halts party was behind us several hundred yards. Halt was the one who stated down the line that I was on top of something Bustinza said that I disappeared into it. I have no idea what happened. ”

”Everthing was handled differently from Sunday night on when the C-5 came in and that is when the road blocks and everything else went on in the forest”

”It came in on Sunday night right after Sat night. On Monday night Tues night and Wed night I was posted on the East gate from 3-11. Gate was usually closed at 6 but left was opened because there was all kinds of activity going on in the woods. ”

”They [the C5 crew] ran their own show and from what I was told they had their own equipment and vehicles.... ”

”I saw it land and it was not a exchange plane to include the way it was secured. I was also posted on the east gate while the people from the plane were out in the forest. Also it was stated that what was stored in the area was effected. ”

”My instruction were not to call anything in on the radio if anything happened just use the phone. There was allot of helicopters flying out over the area and they had some vehicles that were going into the woods.”

”There are things that happened that cannot be talked about to this day because of what was stored there and what happened. ”

”But what I will say is Halt talked about the C-5 for the first time when we were filming strange but true. He also stated that a team came in to check on codes in hot row.”

”The only thing I know is Halt said the beams effected the codes on the munitions... ”

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Where were the enthusiasts and experts at that time? Where was Nick Pope??? Surely it would be reasonable to assume that questions by Nick to Jim, Linda etc would have started.

From what I have seen the context was entirely different. Nick Pope was still with the MoD and only a year or so into his part time role looking after UFO reports from the public.

Plus the binary codes were not logged in a book. Below is what Jim said about them.

Jim Penniston: They are asking me if I see binary code? I see the binary code. They are time travelers....They are us.

Hypnotherapist: HOW FAR IN THE FUTURE?

Jim Penniston: A long time. Very long time.

WHAT DO THEY NEED?
Not sure, but it has to do with chromosomes? Or something like that.

HOW DO THEY GET THAT?
They take it.

FROM WHERE?
From the other people's bodies....They (the time travelers) were interrupted (in Rendlesham Forest). They are having problems...The odds are against them.

YOU TOUCHED THE SYMBOLS. YOU DISRUPTED THE REPAIR PROGRAM?
I activated a binary code. The two (NSA Agents) men want to know why....They ask me if I ever had any other encounters with them (lights and time travelers)?...I haven't

ARE THEY USING US SOMETHING LIKE BREEDING STOCK?
No. Like Band-Aids.

DO THEY EVER TAKE FETUSES?
If it is tasked, they do. There are different ships for tasking. The government agents know about this....That's why they want to contain the situation.

THEY SEE YOU AS (REQUIRING) DAMAGE CONTROL?
(Yes), they see me and John Burroughs and they're worried about Col, Halt. They know all about us.

DOES THE GOVERNMENT BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THEM COMING FROM THE FUTURE?
Oh yes...This time they (time travelers) were having problems, but they got their machine off. They have to be in space to travel. They need speed to travel.

TO TRAVEL THROUGH TIME?
To go backwards. They can't go forward

THEY CAN'T GO INTO THEIR FUTURE?
They go to their past. It's impossible to go to the future. It takes too much energy.

HOW FAR INTO THE PAST CAN THEY GO?
These ships can go forty or fifty thousand years. They can't go back much further. They might not get back.

WHY DO THEY COME BACK SO FAR?
So it doesn't affect the time line. The farther it is, the better, the least affect it has on changing the future....They can't control it. It's too cumbersome.

WHAT ARE THE INTELLIGNECE AGENTS (NSA AGENTS) GOING TO DO WITH YOU?
They tell me when I was the East Gate with John, they have five different stories to tell. It's important to scramble dates (which confuses and undermines consistency of eyewitness testimonies so no credibility with public and media)

......They're going to give me warning....They tell me that I will hurt the world. It will breach national security and can destroy the system, cause wars, chaos in the streets. That's why it's important to keep it quiet. (But)...it doesn't make any difference if I talk about the story...It's too unbelievable.

Source : www.therendleshamforestincident.com...

Make of that what you will. But it gives no indication of a notebook stashed away somewhere containing (or not containing) 13 (or 16 pages) of binary codes that JIm had written back in 1980. The time travel comments about it taking too much energy to go into the future (not the past) are probably a load drivel as well. In fact it seems in direct opposition to the Time Dilation Effect which forms part of Einstein's Theory of Relativity. The basics of which are that anyone leaving Earth and returning some time later will have witnessed time going slower relative to people back on Earth. Even today we know this to have been confirmed in small fractions of seconds.

The probability is that the binary codes did not appear, in the notebook, until the technology to "create them easily" and glean global co-ordinates appeared. For a layman that would have been around about a decade ago. Although it would have been possible with 1980 technology and a good atlas!

Plus the binary codes were not logged in a book. Below is what Jim said about them.

a reply to: mirageman

I don't mean they were logged in any book. I am meaning the first time binary was ever mentioned
or written about as in the word "Binary", was in LMHs book .

Did know one wonder or question Jim further about it at the time? Seemingly not.

Whatever the case is or was, there was more binary and Col.Halt has my mail about that. So whatever
is the case, I know there is more of it and more to the situation too. Am well aware also that things
look very off :/ I cant explain all of that. I can only mention what I know.

I also find it strange that movie "Official Denial", it so matches Jims stuff it is uncanny .

a reply to: Sedonabird

Actually, with all this talk about time travelling, I can't help but wonder where, EXACTLY, was Nelson Mandela over Christmas time 1980???