Inside the Zeitgeist Revolution | Exclusive Interview with Peter Joseph

Gibraltarego
the solution at the end was parallel with what the global elite want anyway so I am confused as to what changes this movement has in mind unless it's only about who is in charge.

It's safe to say that this should be evident to anybody who views films like these with healthy skepticism.

Gibraltarego
the solution at the end was parallel with what the global elite want anyway so I am confused as to what changes this movement has in mind unless it's only about who is in charge.

seabhac-rua
It's safe to say that this should be evident to anybody who views films like these with healthy skepticism.

Um... no. The global elites want you to work from the day you're born until the day you die. In return you'll be provided with an apartment, access to public transportation, GMO foods, RFID implants, and if you're a really hard worker you might get a special patch on your jumpsuit.

These guys have something completely different in mind.

reply to post by Bone75


That's your opinion of what the GEs want. You may be right, that's not the point.

In order for the effective implementation of some of the proposals put forth in the Zeitgeist movie some form of cohesive world government would need to be in place, or how else would it work.

And if "these guys" got what they had in mind that would also mean a worldwide ban on religion.

Socialism like capitalism could have worked. Both stop working when greed becomes to great and policies are changed to favor the few instead of many.

Personally I'd love to see socialism work. It just doesn't seems ideal because some will become complaisant and not want to work like the rest to earn their keep. So we'd have lazy people bringing down the harder working folk and getting the same amount. Where in capitalism you step over anybody and make life better for yourself no matter what. Leaving people who work hard still getting less than they deserve. The world isn't perfect. Gotta try it all to find the right policy.

seabhac-rua
In order for the effective implementation of some of the proposals put forth in the Zeitgeist movie some form of cohesive world government would need to be in place, or how else would it work.

Could you be a little more specific? Which proposals in particular?

reply to post by Bone75


How is a 'resource based economy' going to work unless everybody wants to play?

To be honest I haven't watched these movies in a long time so the exact outlined proposals are not fresh in my mind. However, it's a given that the ideas put forth for social restructuring in these films are not designed for isolated communities, they're for everyone, or else what would be the point? You can rest assured that not everyone would like this either.

reply to post by Antipathy17


Capitalism never had a chance its a negative sum game, it works for a minority but only until it consumes everything around, it has no social considerations and even if it promotes some positive things more aggressively it also promotes many more negative things, especially in long terms, it is hell for the majority in trade for heaven for the lucky minority. Having said this as with communism there has not been a fully implementation of a free capitalist system because it is so inhumane, a mentality where psychopaths are kings and rewarded. What we ever had is approximations to the different systems and socialism even if one may not like it is the one that seems to keep the balance (its not perfect but its the one system that survives in real life without too much alterations to its premise and objectives, mostly necessary to face more capitalistic competition).

Capitalism as a model (and with tweaks) worked (even before it was defined) until the first world war, from then on industrialization, mass production, consumerism society started to force a quasi-cannibalization of humanity, an indoctrinating of a nefarious mindset that goes beyond individualism into human predation and institutionalized abuse of others (as individuals and nations).

Personally I'd love to see socialism work.

I have hopes beyond that (I defend an anarcho-communist view as the perfect model), that is more or less what Peter in the video describes a somewhat distributed system of power (that preserves communal individuality) but permits us to aspire to grand projects (like getting off this rock). Complex projects are not achievable in true anarchism (extreme individualism) but we should strive to create a global society that does not centralize authority and power in a way that (individual or group interests can subvert the future of the next generations). I like the premise that by reducing scarcity by providing the basic for all will ultimately eradicate money and interests and so reduce competition around stuff and promote competition about ideas and truly important goals that benefit us all and not only some of us.

Believing that humans can't thrive in a moneyless society is flawed. We have done it that way for the majority of time we have been on this rock.

reply to post by LDragonFire


We can live without the monstrous global financial system that has evolved in the last couple hundred years yeah. But money in its basic form as a tool for trade has been around since prehistory, and trying to get rid of that would be like trying to get rid of the wheel, just not practical.

reply to post by seabhac-rua


I think getting rid of a money is not the same as getting rid of accountability, it is only a simpler way of stating that monetary value is by large badly applied and prone to cause much damage (like speculation and interests and other forms of accumulating money without producing anything directly). The change would address more how money works and how we value things...

seabhac-rua
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

We can live without the monstrous global financial system that has evolved in the last couple hundred years yeah. But money in its basic form as a tool for trade has been around since prehistory, and trying to get rid of that would be like trying to get rid of the wheel, just not practical.

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No money was invented in the neolithic and the next day prostitution and slavery was born.

Believing that humans can't thrive in a moneyless society is flawed. We have done it that way for the majority of time we have been on this rock

Exactly, the belief that humans can't live without capitalism is ignorant, lazy and selfish.

reply to post by LDragonFire


I don't know if you're trying to be funny?

But it seems to me that the makers of films like Zeitgeist rely on oversimplification in order to get their message across. Do you really believe that 'money' is to blame for the institutions of prostitution and slavery?

seabhac-rua
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

I don't know if you're trying to be funny?

But it seems to me that the makers of films like Zeitgeist rely on oversimplification in order to get their message across. Do you really believe that 'money' is to blame for the institutions of prostitution and slavery?

Slavery is a economic system of control exploiting the labor of a person for maximum profit. Before the neolithic land ownership didn't exist, most humans were nomadic hunter gatherers. During the neolithic people began to farm and this lead to ownership of land/property this included people/slaves.

Bone75
reply to post by signalfire

 

Personally, I think Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph need to drop the anti-religion rhetoric. 90% of the world's population believes in a God, and most of us don't appreciate being ridiculed for it. How do they expect either of their movements to go anywhere if they're not all-inclusive?

Most agree that the money needs to go, so why not just focus on that?

Actually, they have focused on the money aspect of things and much less on the religious aspect, but mostly because the violent uproar from all you God believers was murky-ing up the waters. The spectacular inability to think outside the box seems to define you people and you've been threatening both Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco with death because of your nice peaceful religion being challenged.

If you don't appreciate being ridiculed for 'believing' in either the Old Testament psychopathic murdering god, or the New Testament warm and fuzzy god that knew NOTHING about such things he apparently invented, like germs, or electricity, or even the nature of the solar system, well, get a clue. It's all a grand lie to control you, probably invented by the Romans (who had a great laugh at your expense) and quite obviously copied from pagan and Egyptian morality tales and fables.

If you don't think churches are all about money, try attending a church without giving them a penny and see how long their benevolent farce holds. Show me a church that never passes the basket, never asks for a tithing, never builds a magnificent expensive facade with which, to the glory of god, to impress the commoners. All while locking the doors to the homeless and getting tax breaks rather than contributing to the local economy like everyone else has to.

For anyone with half a brain still listening, ZM is all about making sure that everyone has 'enough'. That their true needs are taken care of, good food, clean water, housing, education, medical care. This in itself would reduce crime caused by poverty to a minimum, and the other sociopathies associated with that. Capitalism on the other hand, puts rich people at risk of theft of their riches. It's a strange way to order a society, and a dangerous one to everyone. You end up jailing a portion of the population because you're afraid they'll steal your stuff, and the jailing itself costs more than the potential loss of 'stuff'.

Think of what you would do, how you would engage with your fellow humans, if you didn't have to 'work for a living' at a job you probably disliked, that didn't use your skill set. What if an education in any field, or multiple fields, of your choice was free? What if the work you chose to do was socially rewarded with gratitude and social status for its positive impact on society, rather than by money? And the good you did came back to you in kind? What if all advertisements and non-productive forms of money-making, such as stock market manipulations, was ended? What if you weren't continually told that you were only 'good enough' if you bought the newest luxury car, or watch or electronic device? What if constant brainwashing by Madison Avenue was seen as the pathology that it is?

The extent that technology, and robotic production, and resource management can now be implemented for the good of all is mostly unknown to the general population. 3-D printing, for one, changes everything. So does the rapidly advancing takeover of robots and technology in factory and service work jobs.

Now tell me again how ZM wants to prevent you (by force???) from thinking about god, and loving god, and believing in god, and how horrible that is. Because from where I stand, your god has been missing in action for quite some time now, and seems uninterested in working for the greater good in any way. Your belief does not change the fantasy aspect of it, and I feel in time, that religion will be seen as the spectacularly successful lie that it is, and as holding back humans from truly civilized thought. If you don't want to be laughed at for your beliefs, take a good hard long look at them and the utter horror they've wrought.

reply to post by LDragonFire


And the currency of that time is the very seed of what we now call money. That seed "money" is called cooperation. Dunno 'bout anyone else but I was born with a life time supply of that. Cooperation has real value.

Odd thought just blew in my ear here.... Money is used to purchase what it replaced. That's just plain silly. How many layers of... uh... compost do we need here. Anyway?

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signalfire
The spectacular inability to think outside the box seems to define you people

What a stupid thing to say... especially to me. The only reason I'm responding at all is to show you how you've proven my point. I won't be participating in this thread anymore. Oh and good luck with your movement... all ten of you.

reply to post by signalfire


I for one am not a "God believer".

I guess arrogant attitudes like yours are to be expected when dealing with Zeitgeist fans.

Dream on.

What I think you are missing here is what it`s being said in the movie is that if anything like the Venus project is to work for us, we as humans must first change our thinking. We must change ourselves, because it is the only way to live on self sustainable world that is not driven by currence and pyramid hierarchy.

So that we accept that all people are equal no matter the race, religion, gender, beliefs, IQ, etc...and that they are eligible to have a basic needs for life such as air, water, food and shelter provided. The idea is basically to live in harmony. The technology we posses now would enable us more than enough to build apartments for everyone, produce enough alternative energy to sustain us for ages, produce enough food for all of us...

And here is my view on the whole thing...

What the main problem is? Us humans, because some people just don`t want for other to have what he have and they feel that other don`t deserve that. So what make us behave this way? We are being encouraged by the system to create impatience towrad everyone and everything. And at the same time the system is feeding us with fear of being punished for not obeying its rules. It basically wants us to point fingers (for not feeling or living right) at everyone else but the system. Most of them who are just beneath the top of this system aren`t even aware of what is happening, most of them who are doesn`t care for anyone but themselves and are enjoying being "IN POWER" and those who are and want to change sth. are being systematically silenced. The last system was actually designed this way that people do not see the point. There is no moral. This system would only work for robots without feelings and mind. But even for them, Im not sure anymore, when scientists are now guessing that they might be a simple form of life. It`s designed in pyramid scheme to benefit only few percent who control it and probably created it. Of course there are middle stages who get sth from it, but they too have bosses. We all work for the ones on the very top whether you like it or not...and it`s all based on the lie of being free...best slave is the one who thinks he is free. Just imagine your freedom. You are free to the point where the top wants you to be. If you do sth that they don`t like, they have tons of laws that can put you out of the system. If not, they accuse you of being a terrorist. And they have everthing to know about you. Since the day you were born you have a social number, a tax number, medical record, educational record, loads of databases that store you behaviour on the internet, tv, phone conversations, now when there is gps in the cellphone even your daily patterns of where you go, when you come home and may even track you with cameras or satelites. SO EVERYTHING...thats our freedom, as long as we work for them its okay, as soon as we work against them, you re put out of the misery=)

So if we(includes all stages of the pyramid) could all somehow make a leap on spiritual/self level, it would be easier for us, but I can`t see this change anytime soon even though I would very much like that. And it`s because those at the top of pyramid wouldn`t accept that at any cost and have every resources avaliable to prevent that. The current system will fall sooner or later but that won`t solve the problem. A new more sophisticated system of control will be established, based on more sophisitcated lies that will convince the majority of people to support it. And the history will repeat itself...

So until we all change ourselves, our perception, and accept other people as we would ourselves and live like we are all one big family, nothing will change. And the sad thing is that even within family there are frictions...so far we have come...We actually chose the wrong direction at the crossroad long time ago.
Anyway, there is always hope and somehow people are awakakening more and more and realising that this material world is not what we actually desire. I know that this sounds like Utopia, but I can imagine it like an alternative dimension in which long ago we chose a diffierent path on that crossroad. We could all be living in harmony and prosperity already with the technology we have.

On material level we have gone too far, but forgot to evolve on a spiritual level and the result is what we see today when we cannot even comperhend all that is going on. That is why we re being overstressed, bombarded with too much information and too many requests and it seems that there is just not enough time to do everything...The funny thing is that we can all(relatively speaking) somehow see it that the whole thing is nothing more than just a BIG MESS=)

Whether or not this(going off course) was done on purpose, I don`t know but I do know this isn`t the world I would like to live in.

Bone75

signalfire
The spectacular inability to think outside the box seems to define you people

What a stupid thing to say... especially to me. The only reason I'm responding at all is to show you how you've proven my point. I won't be participating in this thread anymore. Oh and good luck with your movement... all ten of you.

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At last count, 100s of millions of people have seen the various videos, and the actual active 'member' count is over a million in almost every country in the world. The last big Zeitgeist movie premiered in 60 countries on the same day, in 30 different languages, all translated by volunteers. Try doing that with money.

'especially to me'? Who said I was talking to you? Ego, much?

Keep praying! You never know when that might work! Once!