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Xcalibur254
If socialized healthcare is such a terrible thing, why do countries that have it not only benefit from a higher life expectancy but from a greater quality of life and are generally happier? Are some people really saying that not only would they rather live a shorter, less fulfilling life, but deny others the same benefit, all because of their political ideology?
iRoyalty
reply to post by Phoenix
But what part of my rights are being breeched by having the NHS? It doesn't empower the government, in fact they want to get rid of it because they pay for it! I feel like I have more rights because even if I'm a bum on the streets I have the right to healthcare
badgerprints
The fact that the commercial entities who have pushed the cost of healthcare into the stratosphere are the benificiaries of the current legislation shows how backwards and corrupt this situation is.
beezzer
I don't see anything wrong with the analogy.
Healthcare is a service. You pay for that service. Insurance is a hedge against that payment.
People now expect healthcare for free.
And for those that see healthcare as a right, wouldn't food also be considered a "right"?
I can't go to a restaurant for free simply because I am hungry.
beezzer
And for those that see healthcare as a right, wouldn't food also be considered a "right"?
I can't go to a restaurant for free simply because I am hungry.
beezzer
In order to pay for it, you would have to raise taxes, impose levies, restructure financing...
beezzer
that would infringe on my right to self-determine.
It would infringe on my first amendment rights if I had religious differences to the aspect of care.
It would impose restrictions on my rights to privacy, since government would have access to my medical records.
If I choose not to have health insurance, I would still have to be forced to pay into a national healthcare model.
It's being attempted with Obamacare, and is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.
beezzer
We keep adding law after law after law to supplement the high cost infrastructure, and never look at what is driving those costs.
beezzer
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
The problem is the mandate.
Americans are being told that they have to pay into the system and that they have to get health insurance.
If it was a voluntary system, I wouldn't have a problem with it. My issue is that I am being forced into it or else I get punished.
Boadicea
beezzer
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
The problem is the mandate.
Americans are being told that they have to pay into the system and that they have to get health insurance.
If it was a voluntary system, I wouldn't have a problem with it. My issue is that I am being forced into it or else I get punished.
I agree, but our best interests were never the goal, and coercion is not a new complaint. I don't like the various ways people are coerced now with regards to our healthcare. It's one of many ways we need real reform, not just worrying about who pays for it. Letting people suffer and die is not an option, so we have to figure out something.
I've looked at some of the healthcare models used by other countries, and I'm leaning toward a private/public combo of some kind, and we can probably learn much from other nations and the problems they've encountered implementing their system. But I'm not stuck on any one plan or model. I think there are probably various ways to go that would both ensure healthcare for everyone, and still provide choices and options for everyone.
Do you have any preferences?
Do you
beezzer
Anything but government involvement.
TheWrightWing
Perhaps you can reveal the instances where the Christ insisted that people have the right to other peoples resources (time, property) by force and penalty of law?
beezzer
I don't see anything wrong with the analogy.
Healthcare is a service. You pay for that service. Insurance is a hedge against that payment.
People now expect healthcare for free.
And for those that see healthcare as a right, wouldn't food also be considered a "right"?
I can't go to a restaurant for free simply because I am hungry.
OptimusSubprime
reply to post by jrod
It is a valid comparison. Why would a young healthy person want to pay for expensive health insurance? They could save a lot of money by just paying the fine for not having it, and when they do get sick or hurt they can get insurance because they can not be denied for a pre-existing condition. Of course this is no accident... this is by design. It is the best way to bankrupt the "private" health insurance industry and force a single payer system, which has been the progressive Utopian goal all along.