My Paul Walker Thread - Conspiracy?

CardiffGiant
i know there will be more weight behind an suv. thats not what i mean.
im trying to say that the horsepower behind it make no difference.
150hp.
400hp.
if both cars are going 45 then they are both going 45. thats what i mean.

im trying to say the horsepower on this car or how fast it can reach a speed does not matter.

i have never worked on this car and i never claimed to.
im just using my lifes experiences to form an opinion. i have taken the things i know and the things i have seen and formed an opinion and none of your links and 'facts' and attitude is going to change it.
hows that?
i dont need your Q&A. not about this car and not about your lebaron that hopped a curb.
i am allowed to have a different opinion than you. its perfectly fine

Well said and a sentiment I can fully understand..

It's the nature of an internet forum though..people post information and other people disagree.
Especially on a site like this.

reply to post by DigitalJedi805

Before I go and respond to any of these specifically... Can any of you Source valid estimations of the speed of the vehicle? Because word of mouth from a civilian a quarter mile away isn't necessarily credible.

Quite so, but....as you yourself have admitted in your opening post, the "motive" for a murder isn't exactly credible either is it?

Without a motive then it's just a tragic fatal car accident......which it obviously is.

CardiffGiant

NoRulesAllowed

CardiffGiant

opethPA

CardiffGiant
as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

About a week before my high school senior prom I fell asleep driving my car (1990ish Chrysler Lebaron), jumped a curb, hit a stop sign which woke me up right as I was about to hit a tree. I was going roughly 25-30 miles an hour.

How much damage would seem right to you for that scenario?

i dont know. 'hitting' a stop sign could mean a lot.
where on the car did it hot for one? i dont think that mattters either way.
as for your list.
a couple of the points have nothing to do with how it is possible the damage could be what it is.
what does price have to do with it? and horsepower?
horsepower dont matter. 45mph is the same in all cars, no matter the horsepower.

all you guys can argue against me and throw up all the links you want. its not gonna change my mind.
its my opinion. ive worked on cars all my life. had body shops attached to the repair shop i was in. seen accidents. seen the results. been in one.
in my opinion the car would not have that kind of damage if it happened how they said. bottom line for me

HP matters and so does the ability to accelerate and of course (as I pointed out above the fact there is nothing under the hood). Seen the video of the journalist riding with that pro driver? You could see her being SCARED *****LESS! You press down the pedal and in 3 seconds you're at insane speed. A situation where your Chrysler or Toyota can never get into since you will have MUCH more time to react and "turn on common sense". Obviously, a car so powerful is much more prone to such damage because you can reach crazy speeds much quicker.

45mph is the same in this porsche as it is in a ford escort.

Oh wow...

Try hitting a wall at 45mph with a 1990 honda civic and with a 2013 volvo s60 and tell me how it turns out...

Oh... but try it with the volvo first so you can be alive to test the civic.

opethPA

CardiffGiant
i know there will be more weight behind an suv. thats not what i mean.
im trying to say that the horsepower behind it make no difference.
150hp.
400hp.
if both cars are going 45 then they are both going 45. thats what i mean.

im trying to say the horsepower on this car or how fast it can reach a speed does not matter.

i have never worked on this car and i never claimed to.
im just using my lifes experiences to form an opinion. i have taken the things i know and the things i have seen and formed an opinion and none of your links and 'facts' and attitude is going to change it.
hows that?
i dont need your Q&A. not about this car and not about your lebaron that hopped a curb.
i am allowed to have a different opinion than you. its perfectly fine

Well said and a sentiment I can fully understand..

It's the nature of an internet forum though..people post information and other people disagree.
Especially on a site like this.

as long as we are all good... we are right?
ok
im usually pretty open.
this is just one of those things that i have made my mind up on.
of course i cant prove what i say...
still though.. its what i think.
until i see a video of the crash im going to keep this opinion

I agree the damage photo is just too much for a crash or even a cut brake. My guess is a drone strike. I don't know about the charity thing but it's at least probable. It could be a message, since Walker was involved in Fast and Furious, it's a veiled threat, not to mess with the Fast and Furious scandal. That is just a theory, but the fact of the car damage seems suspect.

FraternitasSaturni

CardiffGiant

NoRulesAllowed

CardiffGiant

opethPA

CardiffGiant
as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

About a week before my high school senior prom I fell asleep driving my car (1990ish Chrysler Lebaron), jumped a curb, hit a stop sign which woke me up right as I was about to hit a tree. I was going roughly 25-30 miles an hour.

How much damage would seem right to you for that scenario?

i dont know. 'hitting' a stop sign could mean a lot.
where on the car did it hot for one? i dont think that mattters either way.
as for your list.
a couple of the points have nothing to do with how it is possible the damage could be what it is.
what does price have to do with it? and horsepower?
horsepower dont matter. 45mph is the same in all cars, no matter the horsepower.

all you guys can argue against me and throw up all the links you want. its not gonna change my mind.
its my opinion. ive worked on cars all my life. had body shops attached to the repair shop i was in. seen accidents. seen the results. been in one.
in my opinion the car would not have that kind of damage if it happened how they said. bottom line for me

HP matters and so does the ability to accelerate and of course (as I pointed out above the fact there is nothing under the hood). Seen the video of the journalist riding with that pro driver? You could see her being SCARED *****LESS! You press down the pedal and in 3 seconds you're at insane speed. A situation where your Chrysler or Toyota can never get into since you will have MUCH more time to react and "turn on common sense". Obviously, a car so powerful is much more prone to such damage because you can reach crazy speeds much quicker.

45mph is the same in this porsche as it is in a ford escort.

Oh wow...

Try hitting a wall at 45mph with a 1990 honda civic and with a 2013 volvo s60 and tell me how it turns out...

Oh... but try it with the volvo first so you can be alive to test the civic.

why do i have to spell it out?
that is not what i mean. i know size, weight, engineering, safety features, etc will make a difference.
i just mean the speed is the same no matter what you are in.
i didnt think it was that difficult.

it dont matter how much horsepower it under the hood and it dont matter how fast i can get to 45mph.
i know some cars have better crash test results for various reasons.(design/materials)

i just mean if 3 different cars are going 45mph, then thats what they are doing.
thats all i meant.

filosophia
I agree the damage photo is just too much for a crash or even a cut brake. My guess is a drone strike. I don't know about the charity thing but it's at least probable. It could be a message, since Walker was involved in Fast and Furious, it's a veiled threat, not to mess with the Fast and Furious scandal. That is just a theory, but the fact of the car damage seems suspect.

Since Card said nothing will change his mind..
Maybe you can tell me what the right amount of damage for a car like this is..Scientifically of course not just your opinion. I see people keep making this statement and everything I read about this car says the amount of damage seems about right for this specific model so hopefully you can help me understand what it should have looked like.

Don't know if it will be possible but you can try to calculate how fast were they going by using video with the wall in front where it's clear to see when they hit the trees.
The problem is to guess the distance between those trees then it should be easy

The main reason the wreckage is suspicious to me is the major damage is in the cockpit. If it was a head on collision, the front would be damaged but the front end is in better shape then the cockpit surprisingly. The cockpit looks melted is the best word I can use to describe it, if it was an engine fire the back would be in shambles, but again, the back end seems more intact than the cockpit.

filosophia
I agree the damage photo is just too much for a crash or even a cut brake. My guess is a drone strike. I don't know about the charity thing but it's at least probable. It could be a message, since Walker was involved in Fast and Furious, it's a veiled threat, not to mess with the Fast and Furious scandal. That is just a theory, but the fact of the car damage seems suspect.

This is what I think is likely. But very ritually done at that. With the first part of the warning on Family Guy! And...you never give in to threats from bullies, YOU NARD THEM.



Balls of Steel - The Ultimate Nutshot

Real or metaphor, with bullhorns and crowds, self defense if they start harming, You Nard Them and Neuter their terms in office.

And I want real nardings, not just the protest kind. I want Higher Ups involved narding: Obama, Harper, Bush, Rockefeller, Rothschilds, Windsors, all of Belgium politicians who just passed by vote in at least one of the clearings for euthanasia for kids, at a parents discretion, but even worse, if parents are absent or unwilling, government may determine the right to life, with terminally ill, chronically ill, or handicapped. That is Nazi Germany just prior to the millions in the camps, they did that. Earth has been there, done that and IS NOT WILLING TO GO AT IT AGAIN IN THE NEXT MILLENIUM! All of the middle east leaders and gang leaders like the brotherhood murdering civilians and children. China, Russia, N Korea. Nard them!

Obama's crew most likely behind this firey murder, and fast and furious. Seems he is getting better at murder, by his own mouth.

Serve and Protect is the first principle for souls. Bullies who threaten deserve nardings by the people and by Superman, so they get it as they face God, oh what an asshat am I and off to massive spirit counseling.

reply to post by DigitalJedi805


Some people deal with grief in their own way. It probably hasn't settled in it. Meadow might still be in shock from it all. But your posts does have some good points. I too don't believe they were joyriding.

Everyone is focusing on Walker because of his celebrity. However, if there was a conspiracy and a murder, maybe we should look at Rodas, the driver and the owner of the car. Maybe Walker was an innocent bystander.

Rodas wore a lot of hats and for a relatively young guy, had a lot of successes in different fields. Among them was as a financial advisor to Merrill Lynch/Bank of America. He was listed as America’s Top 1000 Financial Advisers in 2010, 2011, 2012. Maybe there's something there we may never know about? If this was a targeted killing, it was Rodas that was the target. It was his car.

reply to post by CardiffGiant

you are confusing strong for its weight with indestructable
crash into stuff at 90+ mph and carbon fiber is NOT going to save you or not break/shatter.
these cars are made to go real fast and be as light as possible..not safe as possible
there is no conspiracy here..dude lost control of a car that can be a handfull at 300hp..the simplest explanation is often the correct one

Very interesting OP.

Some reactions have also been very interesting.

But let us remember something.

Crashes like this happen every day, of course we don't hear about them because well, unless your a celebrity, why would we? A lot of people die on the roads every year, and a a lot of damage can be done, at slower speeds.

If crashes like this happen every day. Surely crash conspiracies should have it's own forum by now.

And one last thing we should remember is this. They hit several things at 90mph!! The last object they hit was grounded into the earth and had no give. Have you ever ran into a wall? Imagine that at 90mph in a metal cocoon with wouldn't barely get 1 star on the safety test here in Europe.

Sadly, these guys never stood a chance. It was a very sad accident, and that's all it as in my eyes, and I would like to point out that as far as I can see, no one has added that the huge fire could of easily melted a lot of the car, hence showing much more damage than what the impact could of caused.

Hello, this is my first post on ATS but ive been reading the forum for a few years, though i had to post this.

I watched a video sometime ago, of Jay Leno trying to set a record at the Talladega Superspeedway on a Carrera GT. But the car spinned out and he lost control almost cost his life.

Before judging that specific car you should watch the video of that insident and read the comments of Jay Leno of how the car handle,

Link and source of the Video:
Jay Leno Starts at 0:50
www.hollywoodreporter.com...

Quote from Jay Leno:
"I just got a little sideways and then it started spinning. I hit the brakes and saw the wall coming and then got off the brakes, and then when there wasn't any wall I got on the brakes again, and then when I saw more wall I got off the brakes," say Leno. "It was kind of like driving on ice."

No conspiracy ... they were either driving too fast for the road and lost control and/or the steering gave out (reports say steering fluid was found in the road) and that contributed to the loss of control. The car wasn't new and it handled with difficulty.

I see just a sad accident. No conspiracy IMHO.

vonclod
reply to post by CardiffGiant

 

you are confusing strong for its weight with indestructable
crash into stuff at 90+ mph and carbon fiber is NOT going to save you or not break/shatter.
these cars are made to go real fast and be as light as possible..not safe as possible
there is no conspiracy here..dude lost control of a car that can be a handfull at 300hp..the simplest explanation is often the correct one

edit on 6-12-2013 by vonclod because: (no reason given)

no. i mean strong.
also, i said 45mph
why are people so focused on hp?
that has nothing to do with any of this.

It really doesn't matter. I was a big fan as well, but let them rest. There was no other car that smashed into them. The only thing I found weird is that initial reports spoke of a fluid leak streak a couple yards starting BEFORE the first impact with the pole. The source said it may have been steering wheel fluid.

CardiffGiant
carbon fiber is strong as hell.

That picture that I linked to was a GT that spun 6 times on a drive. And the rear end was completely shredded.

He faked his death!