Nelson Mandela has died

RIP Mandela. For me one of the most big person for a human rights.

How many of you "patriots" proudly proclaim that you are armed and prepared to battle an oppressive government?

Gotcha don't I?

LOL...just drop the front and admit you hate Madoba because he's black. I mean there's no other way to spin this right? You ALL yell how you will fight the oppressive American government, but when a man does it...because he's black you declare him a POS.

LOL...

buster2010

Gemwolf
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

With respect - unless you've been there (and are still there) your opinion is meaningless. The fact that you utter nonsense like "Bombing school buses" just supports the fact that you have no idea what you are on about. You refer to his book, but did you even read it? You also completely ignore the facts I've stated with regards to the bombings and the resulting deaths.

I can assure you I'm well aware of what Mandela did. And as I explained in detail in earlier posts: A fight for freedom is a fight worth fighting for. Coin. Two. Sides.

He keeps referring to Africa as if it was a nation because he doesn't even name the nation he was supposedly in. So just how accurate will any of the "info" he is giving will be.

No, I mention the continent because I have been in many places there, from SA to Kenya to the Ivory coast and many places in between. You assumption is illogical and ignorant.

Yeah he is dead sad.

But do they have ruin TV over him by makieng every single TV channel cover his life..../yawn

buster2010

NavyDoc

Kali74
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Ask our forefathers.

Point out where the FF during the revolutionary war killed women and children, raped, and tortured.

Back in those days how many mercenaries brought their families along with them when they went to fight in foreign lands?

Just shows that you really don't know your history does it? There were almost as many loyalists living in the colonies as revolutionaries.

Many people are willing to die for their beliefs and many are willing to kill for theirs. He was willing to do both and I have to give him respect for that. I don't agree with his politics but I do believe he helped the entire world see human rights with new enthusiasm. For that the world is a better place.

Kali74

Darfur is in Sudan, not part of South Africa.
Rwanda is not part of South Africa, though contained a moderate population of Apartheid refugees at the time of the genocide.
All three are separate countries.

I know where Darfur and Rwanda are located, I am not an imbecile. Mandela had influence on all of the African continent. My point was that he should have done a lot more. ~$heopleNation

hillbilly4rent

boncho

History my friend, is written by the winners. Had Mandela not triumphed it would be just another dead communist/terrorist, -insert label here-.

While his life will be celebrated, one could argue about all the people who had better character that didn't.

that I cant argue with but, that is all hypothetical. He did triumph, he did help defeat apartheid, he did help his fellow countrymen. Not with war but with peace he helped his country. Unlike some of the other warlords on the content of Africa.

Warlords that were on U.S. payroll? An wardlords that simply ruled in an environment of absolute dog eat dog?

I'm very 50/50 on Mandela. And highly suspicious of his so called accomplishments. This is coming from a a black person who would have relished the Boer's regime KICKED out.

I just read some weeks ago that Mandela and the ANC was financed by communist Zionists. They had molded Mandela and the ANC in order to subvert and weaken the black population through covert and back handed means.

You think the Boer's let out Mandela and just decided to up and end apartheid out of a sudden realization of their wrong doing? You think they just up and handed over control of their hard earned colonial territory to Blacks? Nope. Sorry.

They made the ANC to make it APPEAR that Blacks are in complete and total control of their country, and that any failure are their own, which is what they want to display. The ANC takes it's directions from the NWO Rothschild owned central banks and the IMF, and you can guess that these are institutions that do not want any power and control in the hands of natives of any land. They manipulate the financial infrastructure and who gets to run it, so that native African's will continue to be in a state of poverty and inequality, which only breeds more ignorance and crime. They create these anti-white, pro-black laws that were touted as laws that are indicative of a racist, Anti-white government (we hear may people all over the place saying the ANC and Mandela hates whites). But anybody willing to look a but deeper would see that these laws hurt Africans, while empowering the criminal population, which unfortunately, mostly comes from the many poor black areas in South Africa.

I was highly suspicious of Nelson Mandela even before finding these things out, because the only think that Mandela did for South Africa was eliminate apartheid. That's it. White Boer coroperations and government officials continued to own and control all of South Africa's wealth and property, and still to this day. Blacks are still living in shanty slums and make up the bottom of the income and property ownership bracket despite being the majority under native African rule.

And then i find out he blew people up in his earlier days, with the backing of Jewish Zionists. He didn't go after any Boer regime policy makers or any meaningful individuals, which would send a clear, well justified and approved message. He just killed innocents. Black and White.

South Africa is mostly the same under the Boer regime as it was Nelson Mandela, minus the active, overt oppression of Blacks. So they utilize more subversive tactics.

Sorry, but Nelson Mandela and the ANC are well disguised puppets of the world elite.

Oh yeah, and i feel this dude's been dead for month's now.

Mandela, if anything, he is proof that the South African justice system was effective as he never re-offended and went on to became a world leader.

Come on lighten up a bit!

On a more serious note he had already become a myth, a legend and an icon long before he was released from jail. Yes he was a terrorist. Yes he was a freedom fighter. Your viewpoint may encompass one or even both of those descriptions. But once he came to power he did his best to unite his nation and give South Africa hope. Whether he achieved that can only be answered by his people.

Elsewhere you may think he had no impact whatsoever on your life but perhaps he really did. You just didn't notice it. Because Mandela's leadership did perhaps subconsciously make people think about apartheid, racial discrimination and respecting others of different colour and creeds just a little bit more.

We still have a long way to go, I think we all know that, but we have also come a long way from the attitudes of the recent past. There are still those who are outright racists (and that applies to all races). But in an ever shrinking world we are slowly getting used to each other and understanding of different cultures.

Of course at the other end of the scale are the PC brigade who become so politically correct they end up discriminating against themselves in an effort to prove how "balanced" their views are. Such as the ridiculous suggestions to re-name Christmas as a "Winter Celebration" here in the UK so as not to offend ethnic cultures.

Of course the man who ended apartheid Frederik Willem de Klerk also deserves a mention here. He was also a man who changed his views as time went by, like Mandela, and deserves credit for doing so. However I doubt he will be more than a 60 seconds news item when he finally passes away.

reply to post by bigman88


You are correct sir...

There are three sides to every story..
The one side
The other side
And what really happened.

reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71


Thank's, Hossierdaddy. I just fund these things out a little over a month ago, but really was not surprised at all.

Nobody seems to bee able to realize that the only thing that improved for Native African's in South Africa was the right to be anywhere they felt like without having some white dude's gun i their face, asking them what they are doing around there.

Blacks are still in the same position in that country while living under this well manufactured veil of social mobility. African's own none of the wealth or property, or control none of the revenue generating policies for the country, let alone anything else.

And we have some dude onstage dancing and jiving with celebrities and other bullsh** law makers of the world.

He was a terrorist.

According to the link (bottom), he was at least party responsible for a lot of dead civilians.

If this is true, I say adios muchacho!

TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW

The Hype
of Mandela
Alex and Infowars Nightly News host David Knight break down the hype of Nelson Mandela and the latest attacks on our rights on this December 6, 2013 edition of the Alex Jones Show. Mandela passed away yesterday at the age of 95. Eric Lee, the Georgia businessman arrested for legally carrying a firearm on his own property, joins the show alongside Shannon Briley, a criminal defense lawyer and staunch supporter of the Second Amendment. James David Manning, chief pastor of the ATLAH World Missionary Church in New York City, also joins the broadcast to discuss how Obama is becoming a de facto dictator as he circumvents the separation of powers as specified in the Constitution. Alex and David take your calls throughout today's transmission.

www.infowars.com...

Yeah..keep telling the world the right is not racist..

A famous black man dies...what do they do...dig around for garbage to destroy his reputation.

They did the same with Martin..although not famous...but black...brought up all the dirt they could find to destroy his reputation.


So past deeds of white man..the fore fathers(who raped, slaughtered Native Americans to create this land) considered heroes....past deeds of colored men should forever live with him no matter what he does.

Yeah sure..the right ain't racist...

PaJoe52
He was a terrorist.

According to the link (bottom), he was at least party responsible for a lot of dead civilians.

If this is true, I say adios muchacho!

TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW

The Hype
of Mandela
Alex and Infowars Nightly News host David Knight break down the hype of Nelson Mandela and the latest attacks on our rights on this December 6, 2013 edition of the Alex Jones Show. Mandela passed away yesterday at the age of 95. Eric Lee, the Georgia businessman arrested for legally carrying a firearm on his own property, joins the show alongside Shannon Briley, a criminal defense lawyer and staunch supporter of the Second Amendment. James David Manning, chief pastor of the ATLAH World Missionary Church in New York City, also joins the broadcast to discuss how Obama is becoming a de facto dictator as he circumvents the separation of powers as specified in the Constitution. Alex and David take your calls throughout today's transmission.

www.infowars.com...

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter..then the founders of the US Of A were terrorist..and pastor Manning is a well known Tom I am a bit disappointed Alex have him on his program.

This was a truly great man, for all those focusing on negative and hatred for a moment put youtself in his shoes.

Imagine growing up in a society where you, your family and anyone that looks like you gets treated as less than human, as inferior. All you experience is hatred and atrocity upon atrocity by those in power. You witness loved ones and people unable to defend themselves abused and tortured. See if you dont give into hatred to oppose those in power by any means possible.

What makes him great and worthy to be considered among all saints is he overcame that hatred. He found a personal strength beyond about 99 percent of men and was able to forgive and convince others that love and forgiveness is the best route.

As a white man if I grew up in his situation I doubt I would have that strength. I may have spent the rest of my life with hatred and revenge ib my heart promoting the very thing that caused my initial hatred.

He rosd above the flaws of most humans and was a great man. He is probably worthy of far more praise and respect than he receives. I can only hope that I might be able to livr up to his example of true forgiveness and love. He offered it without restraint, when he died he was a different man than when he was younger. He deserves no less than our forgiveness as well and profound respect for his accomplishments.

reply to post by SheopleNation


And neglect the brewing civil war in his own country?

Onslaught2996
Yeah..keep telling the world the right is not racist..

A famous black man dies...what do they do...dig around for garbage to destroy his reputation.

They did the same with Martin..although not famous...but black...brought up all the dirt they could find to destroy his reputation.


So past deeds of white man..the fore fathers(who raped, slaughtered Native Americans to create this land) considered heroes....past deeds of colored men should forever live with him no matter what he does.

Yeah sure..the right ain't racist...

Why is it that any time a white man has anything negative to say about a black man he's called a racist?

And the right is racist... Ok
The left made the Jim Crow laws.
George Wallace was a lefty
Senator Byrd kkk member
But on the other hand.
13th amendment to abolish slavery. 100% republican support 23% democrat 119-56
14th amendment -citizenship for free slaves 94% rep to 0% dem
15th amendment- right to vote for all. 100% rep to 0% dem 144-44

I would say that the right has a long history of supporting equality. Not so much on the left.

reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71


The need to demonize a great man is either one of two things... racism or extreme hatred of those ideologically different than themselves. Accepting stories that originated out of nowhere but hatred, such as the school bus bombing... with zero facts to back it up but just because a like minded person said so, is caused by one of those two things.

Kali74
reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71

 

The need to demonize a great man is either one of two things... racism or extreme hatred of those ideologically different than themselves. Accepting stories that originated out of nowhere but hatred, such as the school bus bombing... with zero facts to back it up but just because a like minded person said so, is caused by one of those two things.

I said at the top of this page that I had respect for the man and that the world was better because he was in it. I just disagreed with his politics. No need to did for hidden motives.

reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71


I wasn't saying you were doing this.