Freedom From Religion Foundation is an Organized Accepted Hate Group

AfterInfinity
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

It's not the Jews, Muslims, or the wiccans/pagans faults that Christianity decided to try for a monopoly on spirituality. Which is why 'church' and 'religion' now immediately bring to mind the Christian religion. Because Christians don't share the pulpit very well.

Face it, Chester - the Christians brought this on themselves. Maybe if they spent more time getting along, people wouldn't have so many reasons to oppose them.

This is not about Christians bringing anything on themselves. What you are saying is that the FFRF has every right to hate Christianity because of their beleif and practices. This is exactly why the constitution gives all religions the right to freedom of religion and the free practice thereof.

But what we see the OP is that this group does not oppose all religions equally. As a matter of fact by their own site they have no issues against any other religion and its practice in public, Govt or federally funded schools or organizations thereby rendering them a hate group because they and I quote WIKI

A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society. According to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), hate groups' "primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization."

You see FFRF is an organized 501, federally approved hate group that advocates hatred, practices, hostilities, animosity and malice (this include mockery) that differs from their view.

The point being the FFRF claim to be for the SEPARATION OF RELIGION AND STATE AND THE NAME FREEDOM FROM RELIGION, that would include all religions equally under the non-qualified term "religion" when in fact when one researches and investigates with an open mind freely thinking clearly you can only deduce that the FFRF is a hate group.

ChesterJohn

ZeussusZ
reply to post by grey580

 

It's Ok to hate anything if you want, as long as there is no physical violence against person or property.
Any one can choose not to care.

Because of the Advocacy against Christianity by the FFRE many of the groups they support and their supporters have acted violently towards Christianity,Christian displays and individuals.

But the literature they put out also promotes this hate and mockery. It would be different if they promoted hatred and mockery of ALL RELIGIONS alike but they don't, not even in one instance. If the latter was soI would have never posted this thread.

No , people have made a choice to act violently towards Christianity,Christian displays and individuals. Just because literature promoting it is written dosn't make people act violently, they still have to choose to do it.
It's Ok to hate someone/thing and love the next someone/thing along the line, as long as no physical violence against person or property happens. The people writing should not be blamed, the people that choose to do this should.

ZeussusZ

ChesterJohn

ZeussusZ
reply to post by grey580

 

It's Ok to hate anything if you want, as long as there is no physical violence against person or property.
Any one can choose not to care.

Because of the Advocacy against Christianity by the FFRE many of the groups they support and their supporters have acted violently towards Christianity,Christian displays and individuals.

But the literature they put out also promotes this hate and mockery. It would be different if they promoted hatred and mockery of ALL RELIGIONS alike but they don't, not even in one instance. If the latter was soI would have never posted this thread.

No , people have made a choice to act violently towards Christianity,Christian displays and individuals. Just because literature promoting it is written dosn't make people act violently, they still have to choose to do it.
It's Ok to hate someone/thing and love the next someone/thing along the line, as long as no physical violence against person or property happens. The people writing should not be blamed, the people that choose to do this should.

People's literature have caused people to act violently in the past what make it any difference with the Literature of FFRF?

Should not the Authors of the book on Parenting that advocated violent punishment and starvation of Children which resulted in the death of a child be found guilty of the death of those children as well?

Was not Mien Kampf(SP?) responsible for violence against whole races of people?

Did not the words of the president over Travon Martin evoke violence of one race against another?

I beg to differ publicized and published words do in fact evoke violence against people and groups of people.

reply to post by ChesterJohn

Church is now advocate only to be Christian. When in their own Bible church meant pagan temples and Jewish congregations as well.

Semantics!

The language has been modified to be separation of Religion and State do to the fact that the US is not a Christian ONLY nation.

Yet they are the only ones that hold ANY kind of political or financial influence in the US. That's the REALITY of the situation.

there are people out their who have written blogs claiming them to be a hate group.

And blogs written by regular old folk are certainly not enough to actually confirm that they are a hate group.

Just because one claims to be for freedom of some sort or another does not mean they are not a hate group.

You're right. They become a Hate group when the meet the definition that you yourself posted.

Which they do not, as they do not advocate hatred, violence or anything of the sort.

So I'll ask again, what makes them a hate group specifically? Please provide examples.

The reason this group specifically targets Christianity, is because Christians are the only organized religious group within the US who hold vast amounts of political, social and economic power.

Therefore, it ONLY makes sense that they seem to target them more than the rest.

~Tenth

reply to post by ChesterJohn


No, people choose to act violently.
I've read the books you put in your post. I choose to not do what was written.
Books and words don't make choices for people, the people themselves do that.
Reminds me of a saying "would you jump off a bridge because someone said to".
Sounds like passing the buck, I did it because someone said.... no you choose to do it

reply to post by tothetenthpower

The reason this group specifically targets Christianity, is because Christians are the only organized religious group within the US who hold vast amounts of political, social and economic power.

I would add to this, they are also the most aggressive, and have been for centuries.

tothetenthpower
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

Church is now advocate only to be Christian. When in their own Bible church meant pagan temples and Jewish congregations as well.

Semantics!

The language has been modified to be separation of Religion and State do to the fact that the US is not a Christian ONLY nation.

Yet they are the only ones that hold ANY kind of political or financial influence in the US. That's the REALITY of the situation.

there are people out their who have written blogs claiming them to be a hate group.

And blogs written by regular old folk are certainly not enough to actually confirm that they are a hate group.

Just because one claims to be for freedom of some sort or another does not mean they are not a hate group.

You're right. They become a Hate group when the meet the definition that you yourself posted.

Which they do not, as they do not advocate hatred, violence or anything of the sort.

So I'll ask again, what makes them a hate group specifically? Please provide examples.

The reason this group specifically targets Christianity, is because Christians are the only organized religious group within the US who hold vast amounts of political, social and economic power.

Therefore, it ONLY makes sense that they seem to target them more than the rest.

~Tenth

edit on 12/5/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

Again your ability to misread amazes me.

If it were only "Semantics!" then why did you bring up the "separation of church and state" in refute of "Separation of Religion and State" except that you are agree with their hatred of Christians and approve of their deceptive covering.

They do in fact promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a a group that holds different views than their own. And that too is part of the meaning of a hate group under the FBI's definition and makes them a hate group as well.

Remember that Violence is not limited to physical force but is in speech as well. Also when someone mocks it is a form of malice, in this case the belittling of another's life style or practice for the purpose of personal enjoyment that falls under the meaning of maliciousness.

You are doing nothing more than justifying their hatred.

ZeussusZ
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

No, people choose to act violently.
I've read the books you put in your post. I choose to not do what was written.
Books and words don't make choices for people, the people themselves do that.
Reminds me of a saying "would you jump off a bridge because someone said to".
Sounds like passing the buck, I did it because someone said.... no you choose to do it

Just as the FFRF chooses to be hateful towards Christianity in words and actions(not necessarily physical).

reply to post by ChesterJohn


And you have chosen to be offended. I chose not be be offended and not care what they say.

tothetenthpower
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

Church is now advocate only to be Christian. When in their own Bible church meant pagan temples and Jewish congregations as well.

Semantics!

The language has been modified to be separation of Religion and State do to the fact that the US is not a Christian ONLY nation.

Yet they are the only ones that hold ANY kind of political or financial influence in the US. That's the REALITY of the situation.

there are people out their who have written blogs claiming them to be a hate group.

And blogs written by regular old folk are certainly not enough to actually confirm that they are a hate group.

Just because one claims to be for freedom of some sort or another does not mean they are not a hate group.

You're right. They become a Hate group when the meet the definition that you yourself posted.

Which they do not, as they do not advocate hatred, violence or anything of the sort.

So I'll ask again, what makes them a hate group specifically? Please provide examples.

The reason this group specifically targets Christianity, is because Christians are the only organized religious group within the US who hold vast amounts of political, social and economic power.

Therefore, it ONLY makes sense that they seem to target them more than the rest.

~Tenth

edit on 12/5/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

Is not targeting of a group of people or a religion that you do not agree with , for the purpose of maligning a hateful act?

This is what cowardly bullies do at schools they pick out the one they want to harm and go for it unabated and sometimes cheered by all who stand by.

ZeussusZ
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

And you have chosen to be offended. I chose not be be offended and not care what they say.

This OP is not about being offended. And if I am offended it is by a group that claims to be against religion and state, named and claimed to be Freedom From Religion (religion being ALL RELIGION seeing the word is left un-qualified) but in fact by their own public web site and materials they oppose and malign ONLY one religion in particular, Christianity.

When we remove any reference to any particular religion and focus on the activities only that the FFRF is engaged in, a truly frightening scenario arises. That our Govt will actually recognize a hate group as a legitimate not for profit organization with all the rights and privileges that pertain to that while advocating hate, malicious speech, and hindrance of their oppositions expression of their 1st and 14th Amendment rights as found int he constitution.

If this group the FFRF opposed advocates the same practices the FFRF is allowed, they are labeled a hate group, while the FFRF is not. Yet they are both carrying out the same types of activities, the FFRF seems to take it even one step further in filing a variety of court cases against this one particular group of individuals and their organizations. Their single focus of opposing only this one religion causes them to miss the truth that other religious groups are allowed their 1st and 14th amendment, and the right to express them in the same locations where the FFRF opposes their targeted religious group right to do so.

The scariest part is that our govt plays favors and back such hate groups and protects their rights over others groups. This is not how the system was set up, it was to be a system of equality and fairness. Now it has devolved into ever morphing interpretation of rights to oppose groups for which these rights were set up for in the constitution.

Anyone with a clear mind can see the truth that the FFRF is a hate group and should be labeled as such just like any other hate group.

reply to post by ChesterJohn


So basically, you're just going to ignore all the points that Tenth raised. You'd rather rant and rave than actually listen.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

So basically, you're just going to ignore all the points that Tenth raised. You'd rather rant and rave than actually listen.

Actually I did address those points.

But what makes them a hate groups is this: According to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), hate groups' "primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to ... religion . . . which differs from that of the members of their organization. The Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) definition of a "hate group" includes those having beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

The immutable rights of a class of people known as Christians are routinely attacked and malign by the FFRF. They claim to be against religion in general, meaning ALL RELIGIONS equally, but that is not true as proven time and time again in the OP and posts above, and by their own web site. Yet the underlying purpose as revealed in their website is to promote animosity, hostility and malice against one group and that is Christians, through publications, court cases and public displays that target their beliefs.

It would seem that the primary purpose (quoting the language ofthe FBI) of FFRF is to promote animosity and malign Christian practices (i.e. baptism) and their organizations. Their publications incite hatred against Christians and their organizations as seen in the practices of the groups the FFRF supports (GLBT,etc.. . .) in the linked videos above.

Yet with all that for some strange reason they are not labeled a hate group. This is the purpose of the OP to expose the truth of the FFRF and their hateful agenda disguised as a equal rights group while advocating against only one chosen group of people, they seek to deny them their Immutable rights and practices that was given under the Constitution. And that they are not against ALL RELIGIONS equally as their name implies but are actually only against one that being, Christianity.

reply to post by ChesterJohn

But what makes them a hate groups is this: According to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), hate groups' "primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to ... religion . . . which differs from that of the members of their organization. The Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) definition of a "hate group" includes those having beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

My curiosity is concerned with how you're primarily focused on how this group specifically calls Christians to task for their disruptive behavior, but you won't call your fellow Christians to task for the behavior for which they have been called to task.

In essence, you're willing to address the solution for its apparently "unsavory" tactics, but not the problem itself. Maybe if you address the problem itself, the "unsavory solution" will be rendered unnecessary and therefore nonexistent. Has this occurred to you?

ChesterJohn

I never said that. But I am sure you hate murder and that is in their religious text too.

Never said you did. I just asked the question.

The greatest take away from the teachings of Jesus to me is to love your fellow man no matter what.
Help him to the best of your ability.
And in helping your fellow man you serve the lord.

But seeing church goers put kids on the podium in a church saying that gay people won't get into heaven isn't god message afaiac

AfterInfinity
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

But what makes them a hate groups is this: According to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), hate groups' "primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to ... religion . . . which differs from that of the members of their organization. The Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) definition of a "hate group" includes those having beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.

My curiosity is concerned with how you're primarily focused on how this group specifically calls Christians to task for their disruptive behavior, but you won't call your fellow Christians to task for the behavior for which they have been called to task.

In essence, you're willing to address the solution for its apparently "unsavory" tactics, but not the problem itself. Maybe if you address the problem itself, the "unsavory solution" will be rendered unnecessary and therefore nonexistent. Has this occurred to you?

Again how can you miss the truth. Their focus is entirely on opposing Christianity. If their foundation was currently opposing Islam and Hindus practices in public places and their exercise thereof I would not have even wrote the OP.

Disruptive behavior. How is praying at the flag pole a disruptive behavior?

How is a private Bible study in a class room with only those who want it a disruptive behavior?

I can tell you are just seeking to justify their practice of un-equality of opposing religion.

Would you not call stopping all traffic in the streets of NY at 3pm by the inherent of Islam to hold prayers in the street a disruptive behavior yet they never once brought a suit or put up a sign or opposed that in any way.

The solution is either for the FFRF to equally oppose through their advocacy all religious practices in public places or to change their name to FREEDOM FROM CHRISTIANITY. To do the later would bring the SPLC and other groups down on them for being a hate group for sure. So the only course of action for them is to become equally opposed to ALL RELIGIONS, openly as they have been against the single religious group.

If they wont then they are a hate group by definition as shown in the above posts.

Your view is obvious you see Christianity and their practices as the problem. I do not.

I see the problem as a group claiming to be for separation for religion and State, under the un-qualified term religion in their name FREEDOM FROM RELIGION while only opposing one particular religion. that later fits the description of a hate group as shown in the above posts.

grey580

ChesterJohn

I never said that. But I am sure you hate murder and that is in their religious text too.

Never said you did. I just asked the question.

The greatest take away from the teachings of Jesus to me is to love your fellow man no matter what.
Help him to the best of your ability.
And in helping your fellow man you serve the lord.

But seeing church goers put kids on the podium in a church saying that gay people won't get into heaven isn't god message afaiac

I will not address this post except to say, this is not about any religion it is about the FFRF stealthily hiding behind the curtain of Separation of Religion and State and the name FREEDOM FROM RELIGION (un-qualtify in both which means ALL RELIGIONS) FOUNDATION but only advocating against a single targeted religion.

grey580
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

So it's ok to hate as long as it's in a religious text?

I don't buy that argument.

The bible also says that slavery is a natural condition.

So as a Christian you are pro slavery?

You can't follow one part of the text and ignore the other.

This is not about a groups interpretation or your maligning all Christian groups by your interpretation of their text.

This thread is about the FFRF and it's practices that fall under the FBI and SPLC's definitive of a hate group.

FFRF should be able not to oppose a group based on their practices of their 1st amendment rights which are protected under the bill of rights. But upon their violation of the Separation of Religion and State.

Prayer at the flag pole by a volunteer group of Christians not forcing any one to join them, is protected under their 14th amendment rights to practice their religion in public without fear of censure from the Govt or an opposing group. However, FFRF wants their open practice of their rights silenced just as slave owners wanted to deny slaves the right to freedom.

ChesterJohn

I will not address this post except to say, this is not about any religion it is about the FFRF stealthily hiding behind the curtain of Separation of Religion and State and the name FREEDOM FROM RELIGION (un-qualtify in both which means ALL RELIGIONS) FOUNDATION but only advocating against a single targeted religion.

You're acting like Christians are innocent in this.
I've had a Jewish friend who was told he was "going to burn in hell" by a born again christian co worker.
I don't have time to Google the amount of crappy behavior by other christians and christian groups and or business owners. I'd be here all day.

Maybe if people were nice to each other and didn't preach all the hate against gay people or anyone for that matter the FFRF wouldn't be in existence.