Wage Strikes Planned at Fast Food Outlets in 100 US Cities on Thursday (12/5/13)

reply to post by webedoomed


I asked a question. I did not state a lie.

What they are doing in Europe is stating some people can't earn above a certain amount? Or that the Govt must remove certain funding for certain areas?


See. questions and not statements.

To bad people need jobs so badly. I would say the workers leave and let the people that make the 6 and 7 figure incomes from their work cook if they want the money. At least all those who think the gross inequity is just fine will find out about it when their day comes.

reply to post by webedoomed


I think the big difference here is that Switzerland is a nation of (generally) like minded people, in a small community as nations go, with limited issues to deal with in making some things happen or some reforms come about.

That, as opposed to over 1/4 billion people from every walk of life, every ethnic and racial background as well as every political stripe ever to come down the pike.

What works in Switzerland or Scandinavia is a fine example to follow....for similar nations. We're nothing remotely similar on pretty much any level.

Instead of coming up with new regulation schemes or legal structures to literally fix the many which have come before, attempting the same things? Perhaps, we can stop active interference in business entirely on this micro level, where it actively discourages more people to join and start new ones. Perhaps, and it's just a thought ...since we haven't rightly tried this in a couple decades, but perhaps we can allow the market to determine it's own balance.

In a TRUE and FREE market, where Government forces are not already skewing many other areas, leading to the wage segment almost requiring intervention as a natural result, those employers who didn't pay enough would simply not see workers coming to work for them.

When we have a system in a state of partial and successive collapse though, we don't have more jobs than people...we have a profound problem of more people than jobs, so wages can become very depressed. Instead of fixing the economy to operate as ours is designed, the focus it to trash it and invent a new one?

How is that re-building of the Health Care system going...while we're talking about new Government initiatives to fundamentally transform whole sections of the US Economy? Not so well I hear...

Another thing to add before I have to run for a few hours here....

Advocating the Government step into yet another area to try yet more fixes, designed by the same people who brought us the VA, Obamacare and the last two wars ...is like taking this...



...and saying those words aren't terrifying anymore. In fact, it's saying those 9 words are actually comforting.

THAT is terrifying.

macman
reply to post by webedoomed

 

I asked a question. I did not state a lie.

This is your words:

macman
reply to post by webedoomed

 

So, remove the rights of some to give to others.

Yeah, sounds fantastic all right..

People usually have question marks when asking a question. You posing a question in the form of a statement shows a particular cognitive function, introverted intuition. The combination of this, with the second sentence seems to indicate a bating tactic.

What they are doing in Europe is stating some people can't earn above a certain amount? Or that the Govt must remove certain funding for certain areas?

See. questions and not statements.

I'm not giving it to you. You're now changing the goal-post. The original statement was not in the form of a question. These are. You are attempting to make me look like a fool.

Yes. The goal is to limit the maximum wage a CEO can earn.

In case nobody noticed, the Swiss people voted DOWN the law that would put limits on wages. Wasn't even close.


Swiss Voters Reject Proposal to Cap Executive Pay

reply to post by FlyersFan


But if you want to end goverment assitance programs then a wage one can live on is needed (not nessarly as high as $15) or you get 3rd world conditions of slums + stavation plus rampant crime as people wont have enough to live on. If wages could be slighlty highered that would mean a cut back of welfare and in theroy hopefully a cut in tax.
A few pennys or in your case a few cent more could be all thats needed.

And im not saying anyone should be forced to be paid higher. Gently encouraged maybe.

All im sayinh theres a problem and theres needs to be a solution.

And before a certain person chimes in with "not my problem" or "not my responsibilty" to come up with ideas then fine but if you dont then some overpaid corrupt politician will take it upon himself to "fix" andfix in a way none of us like the outcome.

To bad none had the thought of how better a privately owned restaurant does _______(insert favorite fast food item) way better than the assembly line crap and decided to take what they could learn working for someone else and go out on there own.

reply to post by webedoomed


There was no lieing. I forgot to add a question mark.

But, like you said, limiting the pay of someone, or taking rights away, to provide for others..

So, my original statement, without question marks is correct.

I really can't see this being viable. Other people will likely just end up taking the cheap jobs, and those people will end up unemployed as a result. It's not exactly a skilled position, meaning just about anyone can apply.Those workers are just better off finding a different restaurant that pays better wages. This whole ordeal just seems like a waste of time.

Regarding the automation comment though, that will happen regardless as technology gets better and cheaper, so I really don't see the point in saying that.

I will never understand people to who think that its okay for a person to work 40 hours a week and fail to make a liveable wage.
The hypocrisy is that you would rather other human beings work 40hrs a week and still have to claim on tax money just to make ends meet while the company they work for rakes in billions is absurd and laughable.

The education system truly failed in the U.S.A. Its time to get real and accept that you are a nation of service sector workers, you might be largely unskilled but you are human beings and you need to live like the rest of the 7 billion people on this earth.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


Because everyone is responsible for themselves. I should not carry the load of someone else. Nor should someone else carry mine.

If they don't like the wage they earn, they should work to get a better paying job, instead of bitching and complaining about being paid $9 to say "Would you like fries with that?"

reply to post by macman


The upper 50% in this country is making bank in the stock market, the market is being aided by the fed dumping upteenmillions into it each quarter, the rich are getting richer and the poor are slaving away in this service based economy. Time to up some more money if it affects your bottom line I could care less.

reply to post by LDragonFire


So, because the Govt is dumping money into the economy, and it leaks into stocks, which is legalized gambling, those making money off of stocks should be punished???

In the mind of a Progressive, I am sure this sounds like the most correct action.


Maybe, just maybe the Govt needs to stop doing this crap and pissing away tax dollars. Maybe the Govt should stop getting involved with private issues.

No, can't be. It is the fault of the people playing the stock market.

reply to post by StratosFear


Funny that you should mention "private restraunts". My Mother cooked professionally for over 40 years. During that time I learned a lot about how they work. I particullarly like how some of them are able to get free labor and in some cases actually have some people pay them to work there.

I know of two restraunts where the waitstaff work only for tips and one where the waitstaff pays the owner of the restraunt 10% of their tips for the priviledge of working there. Several years ago my girlfriend got a job working at one of the "better" restraunts in the area. After two weeks she goes in to get her pay check only to find out that she owed the restraunt $180.00. They assessed 20% of each customer check against her pay because it was assumed that she was making more than that in tips.

If these unions were seriously for the "workers" they would be targeting "private" restraunts.

reply to post by JIMC5499


Also, if anyone thinks that waiting tables can't provide the Progressive wet dream of a "living wage", one should look to the Buckhead Group in Atlanta. Most of the staff make a very comfortable living.

But, lets not push people to better themselves. Lets bring society down to their level. You know, set the standards even lower.

The poor will eventually rise up on the rich and then it will get nasty. It may take a few more years. Every day more and more people are loosing their ass in the U.S. It will hit a breaking point when people start getting hungry without a way to feed their families.

Have you ever just went out in town and just sit there and look at the people. It is crazy. People cuzzing each other. People hitting cars with theirs and not stopping, people hitting people with their cars and leaving the scene.

Almost any day of the week you can witness the craziness going on. Use to, it was only happening in the bigger cities, now even in small towns people are getting frustrated, mad and even nuts on other people.

Me personally, I have already adopted the look both ways, up and down, always check my surrounding for a possible attack.

The breaking point is close my friends.

macman
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Because everyone is responsible for themselves. I should not carry the load of someone else. Nor should someone else carry mine.

You're carrying regardless every time you pay tax. Either fast food companies can pay a living wage or you can top up their pay-checks with your tax money - What's it going to be?

If they don't like the wage they earn, they should work to get a better paying job, instead of bitching and complaining about being paid $9 to say "Would you like fries with that?"

Maybe they should just quit their job and sit on welfare? You can then pay them for sitting on their asses and not working, either way, you're still forking out. Basic american economics.

You, the tax payer, are paying for fast food companies labour force.

SearchLightsInc


You're carrying regardless every time you pay tax.

Which is wrong to begin with.

SearchLightsInc
Either fast food companies can pay a living wage or you can top up their pay-checks with your tax money - What's it going to be?

Neither. Cut taxes, cut free handouts. Very simple really.

SearchLightsInc

Maybe they should just quit their job and sit on welfare?

Why not, many already do. Sadly this is the best defense you got??? Even sadder this is the mindset of millions.

SearchLightsInc
You can then pay them for sitting on their asses and not working, either way, you're still forking out. Basic american economics.

And the paying people to do nothing is wrong. It is theft from me, and slavery to the one receiving it.

SearchLightsInc
You, the tax payer, are paying for fast food companies labour force.

And it is wrong both ways.


What else do you got?

macman
reply to post by webedoomed

 

I asked a question. I did not state a lie.

What they are doing in Europe is stating some people can't earn above a certain amount? Or that the Govt must remove certain funding for certain areas?


See. questions and not statements.

LOL. Yep. Punctuation--it makes a difference!