Family returns home from visiting dying relative to find stranger has moved into their house, change

Do these real homeowners currently have mortgages??? I'm assuming so??? Or they, the real owners, would be in possession of their own home titles??? This is odd. I can't understand how strangers are getting away with this?!?!?!

Komodo
The only issue is...

it's not your home any more...legally..that's the real issue..you can't burn down what you don't own, that's considered arson

Kangaruex4Ewe
I'd burn it down before I let somebody else take it and keep it. It would be well worth the jail time if everything else failed. This is ridiculous and I would be tempted to burn it down just so they couldn't live in it UNTIL the case was heard.

Cut off your nose to spite your face? Maybe just a bit.... but so worth it IMO. I'd be damned if someone else would take something that I worked long and hard for.

Which is why I said jail time may be worth it....

If you can't see how staged this is...wow. I mean come on this guy is definitely an agent provocateur just look at the situation, then read the spin from the story. It's obvious guys....

PURE PROPAGANDA

Komodo
WOW...!

I'm so sorry to hear this ...! People that do this kinda of 'stuff' forget that as they sow so shall they REAP!

Dianec
Something similar happened to me with a homeless couple I tried to help. It was a nightmare. Still haven't gotten property back since the courts make it so hard (civil matter). It's devastating. Was a motor home. Takes a lot of money and time to fight these things. Then - do you even want the property back (house yes but...).

It's such a stressful situation I have to go this route - believe something greater will balance it all out. I call it a loss and lesson learned (don't help the homeless?). Sad but I learned to be very suspicious. It's even painful to think of it again (anxiety provoking).
I would say those who have their primary homes taken - absolute health altering stress that no court can fix. The courts need to make this right fast just for the sake of the victims physical and emotional well being. I wonder if they feel like I did/do. Hopeless and alone in their battle.

I dare him try to pull that with my dog present. He won't stand chance.

since i travel armed, i likely would have shot the dude before he got more than 3 words out. Either run, or i defend my home.

And i would hazard a guess than it would be difficult to find a jury of my peers that would convict me of anything more than defending my home. At least, if it is tried within 5 counties on either side of me.

RickyD
If you can't see how staged this is...wow. I mean come on this guy is definitely an agent provocateur just look at the situation, then read the spin from the story. It's obvious guys....

PURE PROPAGANDA

edit on 2-12-2013 by RickyD because: (no reason given)

This may be. But I have seen squatters take up residence before on a rental where the owner was living in California.

People who don't like the government are rooted in anti-black and anti-jew movements, huh?

Stories about these 'sovereign citizens' are consistently, time after time, propoganda pieces that try to suggest that people who don't like the government are insane, racist, or some such thing.

I can't seem to find a "legitimate" way for someone to scout houses, especially 11 of them and claim abandonment. But there is more than one way. You would have to monitor every possible house for a long period of time, sometimes months according to these obscure laws and it just seems impossible to do unless you get really lucky. You could go house to house every day and night and hope you find evidence but that's a lot to track and I highly doubt it's cost-efficient.

That person must know someone in the family or have access to private records. 11 houses is too much for within the family, so I'm going with that person is likely hacking some sort of database somewhere or at the very least has access to these databases, perhaps flight information. If I were to assume, whoever is doing this works for an airline and can check private information of people, or at least he knows someone that works there. Anyone that has flights for x period of time are targeted and then scouted. This could also work in any other travel company. My bets are on this method. I hope this guy is brought to justice no matter whatever method he uses to do all of this. It's just wrong.

I am not a violent person; I can count on one hand how many fights I have been in my life, but if anyone ever did this to any member of my immediate family they would have to defend themselves to the last. I - and I think other members of my family - would bust in and clean house, and I am shocked that this has not apparently happened yet to any of these Freemen-on-the-Land scumbags.

They wouldn't be in that house for long if it were my family, I guarantee you.

Komodo
The only issue is...

it's not your home any more...legally..that's the real issue..you can't burn down what you don't own, that's considered arson

Kangaruex4Ewe
I'd burn it down before I let somebody else take it and keep it. It would be well worth the jail time if everything else failed. This is ridiculous and I would be tempted to burn it down just so they couldn't live in it UNTIL the case was heard.

Cut off your nose to spite your face? Maybe just a bit.... but so worth it IMO. I'd be damned if someone else would take something that I worked long and hard for.

It is your home and his work to try to make it otherwise is ILLLEGAL. All you need is your payments from the bank, can get morgage payments, and witnesses. He would have to produce property sales papers, you sold it to him. There is no law that makes it legal to steal a house.

I would throw his sorry ass out of there with force and then slap him with lawsuit for the thousands of dollars worth of belongings. And have him charged.

j.r.c.b.
Do these real homeowners currently have mortgages??? I'm assuming so??? Or they, the real owners, would be in possession of their own home titles??? This is odd. I can't understand how strangers are getting away with this?!?!?!

There's the point. Produce the paperwork for the property sale, good buddy, and now here is the bouncer, gang of big guys chucking him out.

RickyD
If you can't see how staged this is...wow. I mean come on this guy is definitely an agent provocateur just look at the situation, then read the spin from the story. It's obvious guys....

PURE PROPAGANDA

edit on 2-12-2013 by RickyD because: (no reason given)

Of course he is, but they still need their property back. And promply with no cost of legal fees.

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Yes and I have as well...but since when do people like that (he sure don't look like a hippy/grunge kid/homeless squatter) try to take 11 homes? All the people I've seen like that would just go for the one so they had somewhere to stay. I can not see any other way this could be except this is propaganda to make a movement they feel is threatening be viewed under a bad light. Obviously the movement threatens them because the dhs already considers them terrorists.

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They won't because the story wouldn't make the kinda splash propaganda needs to be effective. Least that's my prediction.

I realize this situation is obviously more complicated than I'm making it, but I really feel that the family is kind of overly timid with this guy. I mean they dont even want to be known.

Maybe they are an older couple, it seemed like it. But surely they have some family who is standing by watching this take place, yet nothing is being done directly to the squatter. I feel like there is more here than meets the eye. This jackass has several houses he has done this with, and apparently has some form of support group that are constantly on the look out for open targets. Or like the poster above mentioned a database at the very least.

I personally feel that these people may have been or are still being threatened by this guy and his posse of thieves in one form or another. Thus the timid behavior by the family. Also what a bout all those other properties?

There is so much here that seems to be missing from the story, I cant seem to wrap my head around it. All I know is if he is indeed squatting in someone's property and has essentially taken it over in such an invasive manner, then he should quite simply be destroyed, legally or physically.

This has happened a few times in England.

Last case I heard about, it was a single bloke who owned his own house and went out shopping; when he returned, some foreign woman with about 10 sprogs had moved in (somehow got a key to the house).

He did manage to get her and her brood removed legally, but it took a few days of legal wranglings.

Hard to see how this nightmare can happen in a civilised, modern society.

The first mistake they made was that they turned this into a court battle. STUPID!

In the days of old stealing someone's horse would get the person a dirt nap.

People with the balls to steal someone's home like this are not thinking properly, and IMO are extremely dangerous.

There was a guy who once bought a couple of old air raid sirens (these were around 200 decibels to warn an entire city) and mounted them inside a concealed cupboard in his basement. The idea was that if anyone broke into his home, he could activate the sirens, and scare the crap out of anyone who broke in or even took over his home

These days, you can buy off the shelf CCTV cameras that are wireless and connect directly to the Internet.

If you are paying property taxes, you are paying the phone and utility bills; how can anyone claim that property is theirs. Doesn't make sense!!!