China to one-up the U.S. by mining the Moon!

deadcalm

Space technology that works comes from NASA and technological innovation comes from America its not a game were gonna be one upped on anytime soon.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter

 

Your post was so condescending I hardly know where to start. We'll just take the above quote for a start.The Chinese successfully launched their first astronauts in 2003. They were succesful so I'd say the technology is proven. They currently have a prototype space station in orbit called Tiangong 1. I have no doubt that they will launch the space station that they are currently working on and no doubt that they will get to the moon. It is typical American arrogance to assume that only NASA can be innovators.

As for being one upped, your country can't even launch a man into space anymore without Russian help. India also has a robust space program. So does Japan.

You are living in the past my friend. The US is no longer the leader in space exploration. Given the state of your economy...you never will be again either.

YOU ARE WRONG. I'm simply stating facts. The Chinese aren't doing anything we haven't done already. Incase you didn't realize this America has a car driving around Mars. Incase you didn't know America has telescopes mapping the universe, oribiting the sun, probes leaving the solar system. When will China leave the solar system? When will China land on another planet?

What is there for human bodies in outterspace? Death! NO HUMAN WILL EVER VISIT ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM IT IS NOT POSSIBLE AS HUMAN BEINGS. Everything we know about science tells us that.

tadaman
reply to post by Iqarus

 

LOL

So, you buy into all the propaganda huh....

Clearly you dou.

tadaman
And are you Chinese? If not YOU TOO are screwed.

Funny how the yanks always try and flip the tables, even when the tables are screwed into the concrete.

tadaman
Not like they are going to allow western nations to have the positioning that American muscle has bought in blood.

Oh right, the same muscle that hasn't won a single war alone?

tadaman
The west IS the USA....with everyone else who rides on our coat tails acting like our well being fell out of the sky by being so freaking awesome. What has your country done to secure western wealth lately?

The US is a decrepid, bankrupt, third world state with no real power, and these days, not even enough money to afford the bark, let alone the bite. You have no indigenous culture of your own, save for the few Native Americans who survived your centuries of Genocide, your language is a simplified version of English, and even then fewer and fewer of you can speak it. The US, far from being THE west, is THE WESTERN joke.

tadaman
Europe will ASK for permission to take a step into Africa or else where. Its economies will be at the mercy of ASIA....

That is not how it works, save for the minds of the brainwashed American sheeple and their government controllers. Without the albatross that is the US around the necks of the world, you'll find international diplomacy takes on a far more peaceful tone.

tadaman
You seem to like that situation. Or you believe they will treat you with consideration...Well see how they treat their own citizens and realize the answer to that.

I think it is clear that your arguments, sorry, statements are rubbish.

tadaman
So fat lazy American out.....my super power country is having a sales blitz spending our hard earned money after eating like kings yesterday.....

BYE!

Your country is not a superpower. It's barely even a regional power. And yes, you did go on a spending blitz yesterday, and now the whole world is sat on youtube, howling with laughter as they watch your moronic citizenry beating eachother up for a product that was cheaper before the "Thanksgiving" holidays, oh, I forgot to mention, everyone in the world knows how black friday works, save for the American people, naturally. As for the last bit about the money you spend, it isn't your hard earned money 'til you pay the credit card bill. Which we all know most can't afford to do.

As for your "eating like kings", how sweet. Once again, it falls to the international community to remind the US, that we know all about how most of your families can barely afford to feed themselves during the rest of the year. Usually due to bills they can't pay, despite working two jobs.

Yank delusion is at an all time high.

Read only what you chose of what I write. I have deep connection to China from Past lives, many many past lives.

There is no hate in my heart for anything but the separation and stupidity of war mongering planet destroying ideas that take us so far from the Golden Future we all as earthlings so richly deserve.

The Chinese are serious, well funded and quite happy to steal and re-use whats been proven to work from whatever source (be it Russian, European or American).

Good on them. I wish them well. We could be innovating further in space to keep our manned spaceflight lead but we aren't. Cant blame the Chinese for our laziness and stupidity.

If the first man on Mars has to be Chinese then so be it. Thats better then no man on Mars.

justwokeup
The Chinese are serious, well funded and quite happy to steal and re-use whats been proven to work from whatever source (be it Russian, European or American).

Good on them. I wish them well. We could be innovating further in space to keep our manned spaceflight lead but we aren't. Cant blame the Chinese for our laziness and stupidity.

If the first man on Mars has to be Chinese then so be it. Thats better then no man on Mars.

Well I think were getting ahead of ourselves here talking about walking around Mars before they have put boots on the moon.

I'm all for space exploration. What's the point of strapping rockets to human butts and firing them off into space anymore...

Why is colonizing Mars something we must do? The ridiculous amount of cost and wasted resources for what? Mars doesn't support human life. Spending hundreds of Billions to strap a small group of people and a bunch of Mars( tents?) to rockets and firing them at a barren rock that doesn't support life? If we have the ability to make Mars liveable then surely we have the ability to make the already liveable Earth more liveable?

reply to post by SasquatchHunter


Humanity has two options in the long run. Expand to the stars, or perish.

The stars are long way off but the sooner we become multi-planet the better. Mars is simply the most habitable of the available options on which to plant another outpost of humanity.

In any event, just the effort of going will require development of useful capabilities, it will also inspire another generation of scientists and engineers.

Currently we are all in one boat, fat dumb and happy, helpless in a cosmic shooting gallery. If the comet ISON was on a planetary impact course we would be getting ready to go extinct right about now. We haven't bothered to develop the capabilities we would need to protect ourselves.

No amount of small robot science probes (worthy as they are in their own right) are going to do any of the above. We need to go and gain mastery of our cosmic back yard.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter



I mean to take nothing away from past US achievments in space exploration, but given that your economy is crumbling before your very eyes....how long can this effort be sustained?

The simple truth is that the US can no longer afford grand visions of space exploration. Meanwhile the Chinese have the money, willpower, and knowhow to see their ambitions in space realized. It may take the next 50 years but eventually China will surpass the US in space exploration. Thats the biggest difference between China and the US....the US thinks in terms of 4 year election cycles, whereas the Chinese plan in terms of CENTURIES.

reply to post by justwokeup


I agree with you that a sort of push to develops new technologies would happen. I'm afraid the stars are unattainable for human life. Space is a hostile environment. Human over population is just doom porn, even if it wasn't and we can't solve Earth problems how do we go about solving Mars problems? The kind of energy and resources needed to colonize non habitable rocks just isn't reasonable goals.

Theirs nothing in our solar system but the Earth that is habitable. There is %0 chance of humans will ever physically entering another solar system. Even if light speed travel was possible which it isn't and never will be, the energy required would be mind boggling. Harvesting the resources would probably destroy the Earth itself. Its science fiction.

A snail travels about .008 mph rounded up. How does the snail get from Kansas to England on its own about 4500 miles?
If the snail lives 5 years and marches on without food drink or rest every second of its life. In 5 years it can travel about 350 miles or 70 miles per year. The snail has overcome the basics of not needing food or rest but now needs to extend its lifespan. Now the snail needs to live for 70 years. So the snail has overcome a lot of obstacles like food rest heat cold being killed by outside forces and somehow increasing its lifespan 14 fold. Now the snail has an even greater challenge how does he cross the Atlantic Ocean? This journey is impossible for the snail. We are more handicapped then the snail in our journey to other stars.
This Earth is all we have.

deadcalm
reply to post by SasquatchHunter

 

I mean to take nothing away from past US achievments in space exploration, but given that your economy is crumbling before your very eyes....how long can this effort be sustained?

The simple truth is that the US can no longer afford grand visions of space exploration. Meanwhile the Chinese have the money, willpower, and knowhow to see their ambitions in space realized. It may take the next 50 years but eventually China will surpass the US in space exploration. Thats the biggest difference between China and the US....the US thinks in terms of 4 year election cycles, whereas the Chinese plan in terms of CENTURIES.

Past achievements? What about the current missions? You know that car sized rover driving around Mars? What about all the Telescopes and probes mapping the universe and exploring space?

If the U.S. crumbles so does China and the rest of the world. Everyone is invested in America and economies are co dependant. Well not all economies N. Korea isn't so I guess their is hope huh?

I had no idea China has been planning space missions for centuries. I would love to read up on that, I'm feeling very uninformed.

Really now that I think about it, I really need to brush up on some of these centuries old ongoing projects. Please point my in the right direction.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter


If that is true then we are already dead as a species. We may as well all shoot ourselves in the head right now.

Its better to try and at least fail trying. I dont know how we'll do it in the same way that a caveman could not conceive of a jet engine. That doesn't mean we wont, but only if we continue to try.

We definitely wont if we just say 'human expansion is impossible' and don't try. I find a future with humanity consigned to this one planet till we die out to be unbearably depressing. I refuse to countenance it.

deadcalm
reply to post by SasquatchHunter

 

I mean to take nothing away from past US achievments in space exploration, but given that your economy is crumbling before your very eyes....how long can this effort be sustained?

The simple truth is that the US can no longer afford grand visions of space exploration. Meanwhile the Chinese have the money, willpower, and knowhow to see their ambitions in space realized. It may take the next 50 years but eventually China will surpass the US in space exploration. Thats the biggest difference between China and the US....the US thinks in terms of 4 year election cycles, whereas the Chinese plan in terms of CENTURIES.

China has trouble real trouble ahead just like any economy like theirs does. China is Japan in 1980's. They have very hard and difficult trasition ahead and they have done nothing to prepare for it. China's space program like its military is based on copying others. While that can help you catch up, it will never let you lead. And that is China's plight in a nut shell, they might catch up with Russians who have really been doing very little beyond becoming a low orbit taxi service but, the US would literaly have to stop for China to catch up. The leanest times for NASA are over as the economy continues to pick up steam and with China making public statements will mean NASA gets even more funding for space exploration while, private US companies take over the satelitte delivery buisness.

reply to post by justwokeup


If there aren't reasons for living on Earth what reason is there to live on Mars? Yes this argument if you don't try you will never succeed trot that one out and that ends the debate. You can try all you want to use the "force" but it will never happen because its not possible and you will die trying wasting your life and everyone around you, or you can do what George Lucas did and make a fictional universe where humans can do things like use the force.

Escaping to Mars and other stars is only fiction its not reality and its not practical. Exploring the Universe is different and we are doing that with technology.

There's not a single piece of scientific evidence that supports our ability Star Trek around. Science has many breakthroughs ahead I'm %100 sure of that. Science can only tell us why we can't do some things.

If somehow we develope the technology to harvest mythical resources on foreign bodies in space, or travel galaxies far far away, we have already solved Earths problems. These things require infinite amounts of energy and resources. Its circular logic.

The only chance anyone has of going on these space adventures is if the supernatural exists and all us crazy Christians or some other religious persons are right and the and something greater than the universe exists that is not held in bondage by the laws of this universe.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter


I think we have two opposing and fundamentally irreconcilable views of the world so there probably isn't much point continuing this. Thank you for your time.

justwokeup
reply to post by SasquatchHunter

 

I think we have two opposing and fundamentally irreconcilable views of the world so there probably isn't much point continuing this. Thank you for your time.

Well you should reconcile your world views with science. Im using reality and scientific knowledge to back up what Im saying. Maybe your views come from Star Wars and Star Trek or something I dont know.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter


i'm no fan of china myself but they do have the resources needed to match and the extra manpower, as for innovation, we aren't that special we just know how to make things more profitable than most nations and place ourselves in the right position to have the advantage over them even if we aren't first.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter


I had hoped to end the discussion politely. Your sarcasm and smug condescension is unwarranted.

I do not believe i ever invoked magic or mysticism. I simply do not write off the possibility that there is much more we can learn and more we can do with what we learn.

You rule out the possibility of success and even the worth of the effort. Thats a fundamental difference in outlook that no amount of discussion will bridge. You see my vision of humanities future as worthless fantasy and I see yours as one of futile despair.

I think because of the fact China is no longer able to sustain itself let alone help the rest of the world, the planet, this is a dress rehearsal for their future aspirations to move and colonize Enceladus...

One thing that comes to mind right now is how many asteroids we have been experiencing recently, regardless of what the racists think of me, when we move onto other planets it will be through a global cooperation, through a unified earth and all of its races and species. I think of moving some of the endangered terran/aquatic species to a pure environment. What a thrill that future would be!!!

My country is the best, your country is the best, We did this, you did that. Its all BS at the end of the day.

Imagine if we were not such a tribal warfare loving race. Imagine if we actually worked together as a planet to explore the stars, instead of spending billions apon billions on weapons to kill eachother.

Our governments are like children. In a sense they want to brag about being the first to do this and that. And this kind of thinking has been drilled into alot of people. You just have to look at the posts on this site to see that The only way we are going to survive, is by working together.

God! I know this will not be in my life time, or my daughters life time, but i hope it happens, that we will one day see past our own country and see the bigger picture. Too many of us are brainwashed and conditioned to see it at the moment.

reply to post by SasquatchHunter

What is there for human bodies in outterspace? Death! NO HUMAN WILL EVER VISIT ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM IT IS NOT POSSIBLE AS HUMAN BEINGS. Everything we know about science tells us that.

WOW! If everyone thought like you, we would still be in the dark ages. Science is changing all the time, with new ideas and theories on space travel. To say its impossible, just because "science" tells us that now, is a bit ignorant, considering how primitive we are when it comes to space technology and what we know. Hence the reason why we hear theories all the time.

justwokeup
reply to post by SasquatchHunter

 

I had hoped to end the discussion politely. Your sarcasm and smug condescension is unwarranted.

I do not believe i ever invoked magic or mysticism. I simply do not write off the possibility that there is much more we can learn and more we can do with what we learn.

You rule out the possibility of success and even the worth of the effort. Thats a fundamental difference in outlook that no amount of discussion will bridge. You see my vision of humanities future as worthless fantasy and I see yours as one of futile despair.

Your vision for humanity is science fiction. The only feasible way to traverse the universe as Human is to attain light speed capabilities. Forgetting all the problems like lightspeed requires things to have 0 mass and infinite energy. ENERGY. That type of energy would power everything in America for 100 years or something. The worlds problems would already be solved with infinite energy sources! If you can run a car forever on the fumes of a gallon of gas what is the problem that we need resources from other planets?

Your talking about averting the extinction of the human race. Stars burn out. One day the universe will burn out and that's the end.

If somehow it becomes economically viable to colonize planets or mine for resources. We have already solved the problem for the solution youre seeking.