Pizza Hut manager refuses to open for Thanks Giving, gets fired! Happy Thanks Giving Corporate Ameri

Isittruee
I have work tomorrow. I'm also a grown man with a family to feed. Your not ready for a leadership position if your not ready to work whenever need be. I'm always on 24/7 call. So is the military. So are offshore workers. Casino workers. The list could go on. Quit complaining and get back to work!

If you don't work a office 9 to 5 don't complain when you work holidays. Come to think of it some 9 to 5 office workers will be woeking tomorrow.

edit on 27-11-2013 by Isittruee because: (no reason given)

That's why I love the company I work for This past November 11th (Remembrance Day) the company I work for decided if an employee wanted that day off they could take it or work and have a day-in-lieu. Wouldn't it be more prudent if companies did something like this rather than forcing people to work supposed holidays?

bigfatfurrytexan

luciddream
Restaurants and some other establishment are open on these days, im sure if he knows his job, he should know they would be open on those days.

He probably got fired for more than this, but this guy is leeching of attention and trying to pin this on the "evil corporate pigs".. much as i hate them, i don't think its their fault.

Find you "hero" somewhere else, this guy is clearly not it.

i have worked on Thanksgiving. Get over it.

edit on 11/28/2013 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

Not only are we open today, but we have had to extend hours and set up overflow seating to accomodate our reservations. If no restaurants were open, imagine how many people would be stuck eating convenience store nacho's for thanksgiving.

I believe this is national, but I know here in FL. if you work holidays, thanksgiving/christmas you get paid like you would in an overtime situation, time and a half..

Are your employees getting paid holiday/overtime pay?

If this guy DID work, and his employees, i'm pretty sure they would have gotten paid
extra for doing so..

Say you make 8 bucks an hour you would be making 12 in an overtime/holiday situation.

People who are out shopping do need to eat, at least some of them.

And those who travel to visit relatives on vacations, and some turn around and leave next day.

Here our Thanksgiving falls on Monday, which is a holiday, but many things are open still. Because many have turkey on Sunday and are traveling back home on Monday.

I can see both sides of this, but normally a manager does the company line.

When I was a kid, I used to look at the few places that remained open on major holidays, especially food places, and wonder what their problem was? What sad, pathetic people would be there when everyone else had turkey dinners with all the fixings? Such are the lines of thinking with youth, eh?

Then I came to do things myself where Holidays became just another day on the calender and being reminded of them was actually a BAD thing, not a good thing. I mean, when you are going to be hundreds or thousands of miles from home, and nothing in the world will change that? You need to adapt to stuffing the Holiday spirit away for another year or find another line of work. Sanity requires that much.

Enter a Pizza place whose company policy is to be open on Thanksgiving. Well, as a trucker or oil field worker, government bureaucrat or salesman in transit between spots today or just sitting in place? (tomorrow IS a work day for many, just as yesterday was) I'll bet an open sign on a pizza place for a regular bite to eat is pretty appreciated. It's a small group on these big Holidays, but all kinds of reasons one may count themselves among the bunch.

So to this guy, I'd say I'm glad HIS Holiday was such a priority to counter company policy by, he'd just close up. As much as a few employees would benefit from it, the public who may have really just wanted a slice of Pizza to forget it's Turkey day elsewhere kinda ends up screwed, eh?

I support the guy, if he was really fired for refusing to make the employees work the holiday. TL;DR alert: rant to follow. Fair warning.

Look, we don't celebrate Thanksgiving in my house. As a family, we have no use for a superficial gullet-stuffing glutton's holiday, no matter what fluffy feel-good family associations are attached. That does not mean it doesn't hold significance for others. A lot of people only get to see family this one day a year, and it really pisses me off that this sick society of ours actually has the gall to categorize who's worthy of that time off based on salaried or hourly positions. Essential services (police, medical, fire) do not count in this argument. They are called on when something is beyond the normal ability to take care of and a serious helping hand is needed. Those are called "essential" for a reason.

That said, what does not in any way, shape or form qualify as essential on holidays is fekking optional businesses. I do not, and will not ever, shop on major holidays. If someone in my household has that day off to spend it with family, so should the cashier at the grocery store, and fry cook in the restaurant. It's one day, people. One. Day. Plan ahead & buy your groceries before closing so you don't have to run out at 3 in the afternoon on Easter, wait until Friday to do your gotta-have-it Christmas shopping instead of Thanksgiving night, pack your own food to eat during driving trips/eat prior to flights, and for god's sake, nuke a damn TV dinner if you can't cook your own holiday meal the old fashioned way.

If enough happily willing volunteers sign up to have a minimum staff to operate the business on the holidays, go for it. But give the people the day matters to some credit & a day off. 52 weeks in a year, you'd think someone would figure out how to work out a better schedule for 2 days a week off around holidays & citizens would learn how to deal with it for 24 hours.

JFC, ATS rails against American society for being shallow, greedy & heartless. But you guys uphold this sh**? You know the word I'm thinking right now.

reply to post by Nyiah


Yeah. I should run a business by committee. I mean, the hourly folks are the ones who really put forth all the risk in establishing that business. They are the ones who can be put in prison or sued for not following the minefield of legal hurdles for a business owner. They are the ones that will stay up all night planning on how to make sure that vendors and taxes get paid while still meeting payroll. And when payroll won't be met, they are the ones who will leverage their personal value to make sure that funding is in the account in accordance with federal law. They obviously understand how to run a business. Why shouldn't they get to run it instead of the owner?

Wrabbit2000
When I was a kid, I used to look at the few places that remained open on major holidays, especially food places, and wonder what their problem was? What sad, pathetic people would be there when everyone else had turkey dinners with all the fixings? Such are the lines of thinking with youth, eh?

Then I came to do things myself where Holidays became just another day on the calender and being reminded of them was actually a BAD thing, not a good thing. I mean, when you are going to be hundreds or thousands of miles from home, and nothing in the world will change that? You need to adapt to stuffing the Holiday spirit away for another year or find another line of work. Sanity requires that much.

Enter a Pizza place whose company policy is to be open on Thanksgiving. Well, as a trucker or oil field worker, government bureaucrat or salesman in transit between spots today or just sitting in place? (tomorrow IS a work day for many, just as yesterday was) I'll bet an open sign on a pizza place for a regular bite to eat is pretty appreciated. It's a small group on these big Holidays, but all kinds of reasons one may count themselves among the bunch.

So to this guy, I'd say I'm glad HIS Holiday was such a priority to counter company policy by, he'd just close up. As much as a few employees would benefit from it, the public who may have really just wanted a slice of Pizza to forget it's Turkey day elsewhere kinda ends up screwed, eh?

edit on 28-11-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

If I have was a long haul trucker, I for sure would NOT mind a pizza on thanksgiving..
The trucks still have to move even on thanksgiving. Planes have to fly, boats have to sail.
Now since most locally owned, or really good pizza places are closed, if pizza hut is all there
is open, and I wanted a quick pizza for thanksgiving it would be wonderful..
Even a big mac might *hit the spot* maybe you only eat fast food on special occasions.
Thanksgiving would be one of the special occasions..

bigfatfurrytexan

12voltz
" They get hungry when they're out shopping."
Classic line that pretty much sums up the whole mentality in a nutshell(or is that 'case')

yeah its hard work lugging around those bags of snacks and soda ,best get me some pizza so i can make it home for turkey.

I was thinking more along the lines of how far America has slid that the sense of entitlement has crept into popular culture.

My dad viewed holidays as, "Just another day". That is a common viewpoint in my neck of the woods. Sure, we will celebrate Thanksgiving....but Ill have my laptop plugged in and Ill be working, too. On Friday ill work all day, Saturday too. Sunday night is the last night of the month, so Ill pull an all night doing inventories, then work all day monday. To make my business run.

Or I could be a candyass and demand the day off. Might as well. While I am slacking, the competition is gaining market share. That is being a responsible manager. LOL

Difference is you get to write your own paycheck and the Pizza Hut guy doesn't. Also I doubt your competition gains an insurmountable market share, in the one day you choose to take as a day off. Furthermore the philosophy of work you espouse, works well and is adequate for an owner...as an employee, there are limitations to what I am willing to go through in order to line the pockets of a multimillion dollar franchise while getting paid minimum wage (this is aimed at the employees that would have been forced to work, if this guy had not stepped up).

reply to post by Wingo


Business that open when other people are closed make a lot of money that day.

Wingo

bigfatfurrytexan

12voltz
" They get hungry when they're out shopping."
Classic line that pretty much sums up the whole mentality in a nutshell(or is that 'case')

yeah its hard work lugging around those bags of snacks and soda ,best get me some pizza so i can make it home for turkey.

I was thinking more along the lines of how far America has slid that the sense of entitlement has crept into popular culture.

My dad viewed holidays as, "Just another day". That is a common viewpoint in my neck of the woods. Sure, we will celebrate Thanksgiving....but Ill have my laptop plugged in and Ill be working, too. On Friday ill work all day, Saturday too. Sunday night is the last night of the month, so Ill pull an all night doing inventories, then work all day monday. To make my business run.

Or I could be a candyass and demand the day off. Might as well. While I am slacking, the competition is gaining market share. That is being a responsible manager. LOL

Difference is you get to write your own paycheck and the Pizza Hut guy doesn't. Also I doubt your competition gains an insurmountable market share, in the one day you choose to take as a day off. Furthermore the philosophy of work you espouse, works well and is adequate for an owner...as an employee, there are limitations to what I am willing to go through in order to line the pockets of a multimillion dollar franchise while getting paid minimum wage (this is aimed at the employees that would have been forced to work, if this guy had not stepped up).

I don't own my business. I just act in a way that the owner of my business gives me free reign to do what I think needs to be done, even when he doesn't agree with it.

Thats how I take care of my employees.

luciddream
reply to post by Wingo

 

Business that open when other people are closed make a lot of money that day.

And so do my employees. Especially the tipped ones. They make a killing.

reply to post by Isittruee


yet the c.e.o. of the company will be at home, with his family, happily eating, while he is telling that others should work.

reply to post by blackthorne


As long as th eemployee knows about what type of work he does, and is paid accordingly for that day, there should be no issue.


*i cant beleve i defending big guys* but... the ceo earned his way of life(i hope).


I used to work part-time during college, the managers were diks, made us work holidays and had us sign a documents saying we are willing to work(FOR NORMAL PAY), i needed the money, so i did, and most other co-worker were in the same shoe.

They did this for few years until a customer talked to one of the guys and find out about this and sued our company, after that we still had to work on holidays but with 1.5x pay and no more pre signing documents, they want you to "volunteer" to work.

luciddream
reply to post by Wingo

 

Business that open when other people are closed make a lot of money that day.

I don't doubt that "BUSINESSES" do...however not the PEOPLE who help them do it. Even at 3 times the regular pay, what adds up in 8 hours of work in a fast food joint is still crap pay compared to what they make off the backs of the people who are not allowed a day off. This is one of the reasons why I feel so strongly against dragging people to work on a holiday. Comes dangerously close to the textbook definition of "exploitation".

bigfatfurrytexan

I don't own my business. I just act in a way that the owner of my business gives me free reign to do what I think needs to be done, even when he doesn't agree with it.

Thats how I take care of my employees.

Good for you, but you mislead people the way to present yourself while describing what you're willing to do "To make my business run".
...And they are NOT "your employees", then.
To me it makes a world of difference...

starfoxxx

bigfatfurrytexan

luciddream
Restaurants and some other establishment are open on these days, im sure if he knows his job, he should know they would be open on those days.

He probably got fired for more than this, but this guy is leeching of attention and trying to pin this on the "evil corporate pigs".. much as i hate them, i don't think its their fault.

Find you "hero" somewhere else, this guy is clearly not it.

i have worked on Thanksgiving. Get over it.

edit on 11/28/2013 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

Not only are we open today, but we have had to extend hours and set up overflow seating to accomodate our reservations. If no restaurants were open, imagine how many people would be stuck eating convenience store nacho's for thanksgiving.

I believe this is national, but I know here in FL. if you work holidays, thanksgiving/christmas you get paid like you would in an overtime situation, time and a half..

Are your employees getting paid holiday/overtime pay?

If this guy DID work, and his employees, i'm pretty sure they would have gotten paid
extra for doing so..

Say you make 8 bucks an hour you would be making 12 in an overtime/holiday situation.

My employees who are not salary are getting paid 8 hours plus time and a half. State payday requirements are just time and a half, I believe.

Salaried employees are getting a comp day if they work (depending on department, not all are working today).

I have run back and forth a few times. I am working on my laptop at home while chatting with ATS and my family IRL.

The tipped employees make out like bandits.

ETA: nobody in my place makes $8, except some tipped employees (they take home more than I do, still). We believe in compensating quality effort.

bigfatfurrytexan

luciddream
reply to post by Wingo

 

Business that open when other people are closed make a lot of money that day.

And so do my employees. Especially the tipped ones. They make a killing.

Not your employees....and quite definitely they are not making "a killing" if they returned to work the following day.

Wingo

Good for you, but you mislead people the way to present yourself while describing what you're willing to do "To make my business run".
...And they are NOT "your employees", then.
To me it makes a world of difference...

When my employees cash their paycheck, it is my signature on it. And when the "s" hits the fan, i am the one there dealing with it. My owner lives hundreds of miles away and only comes in every few months to handle other business in the area.

Wingo

bigfatfurrytexan

luciddream
reply to post by Wingo

 

Business that open when other people are closed make a lot of money that day.

And so do my employees. Especially the tipped ones. They make a killing.

Not your employees....and quite definitely they are not making "a killing" if they returned to work the following day.

That is the most obtuse thing I have read in this thread. I am not going into the details around the legalities of my role within the corporation I work for. Especially since its relevance has nothing to do with this thread. Discuss the topic, not me. If you think I am saying something that is incorreect, then dispute that. My personal experience is only shared for context. Take it how you wish....but we aren't needing to discuss it further, beyond what I share.

Wingo


Not your employees....and quite definitely they are not making "a killing" if they returned to work the following day.

Big Tex is adding his experience and knowledge to this thread in context of the topic.
Lets keep the thread on the topic please the pizza hut guy.

Waiters at pizza hut DO get paid in tips.
The managers I would suspect are on a salary, so they would not be making tips.

I think working on a holiday, if you had enough customers, someone waiting tables
at pizza hut COULD make a killing today..

If allowed to, but refusing to let anyone work is what the pizza hut manager did.