London Mayor: We should be humbly thanking the super-rich, not bashing them.

reply to post by tankthinker


As a collective we are fully responsible for society and living within laws, these responsibilities need paying for, hence I really don't mind paying taxes. However, the entire system isn't transparent enough and in order to do that, we have to cut the safety line from the bankers and start thinking of sustaining the people.

Minimum wage is a complete insult and should well be at least £10.00 an hour. In real terms it is because usually the lower earners are in receipt of tax credits, which means they are subsidised by the taxpayer. We are subsidising our own servitude, it's laughable isn't it?

If you owe taxes pay them, just like 90% of the people do. The corporations who find a way not to pay any should be held in disdain and not looked at as an object to be envious of.

RedShirt73
reply to post by Cabin

 

We should thank them for:

1) Starting wars in the name of so-called democracy
2) Stealing our money as their the ones who control the banks and corporations
3) Barely paying their employees enough to live on without starving
4) Spying on us
5) Flaunting the law

If anyone else has anything to add please be my guest.

edit on 27-11-2013 by RedShirt73 because: (no reason given)

1) Lets blame them for starting wars in the name of democracy and keep innocent the millions of people who stayed ignorant to the fact and the soldiers who pulled the trigger (your logic doesnt make sense, their plans only work because average Dave allows them too, on top of the fact that its not all super rich people who do these things)

2) Some of them control the banks and corporations that sometimes steal peoples money (at the same time banks and corporations have brought humanity to the most prosperous point in its history), and the same blame could be put on the poor people who control the guns they use to rob other people

3) Again some people, some corporations. Just as you believe they have a responsibility to pay their employees properly, if they dont and you are aware of it, then dont you have the responsibility to do better then them. Start a corporation, pay your employees well, be an example for the world and other super rich. I think you'll find it's not as simple as you think it is (maybe its not the super rich themselves but the system as a whole, they are playing a part in it just as you are).

4) Again some, and probably more notably the government, I wonder how super rich those NSA employees who man the computers are, or the guys who write the software, or the guys who install the cameras.

5) Again that is a systemic problem, I have never met one person who hasnt broken some sort of law, the only difference is the scale, the more influence, power and resources you have, the less intimidating it is to break a law

to the select group of rich people who do break the law, breaking the law by avoiding taxes or by covering up some mistake is probably as easy as speeding or j-walking

That doesnt make it right (and morals are a whole other debate) but its something to consider.

reply to post by seeker1963


Like I said before there are tons of self made millionaires, im friends with them, but Im in Canada, maybe the states and UK is radically different in its system, maybe there are no self made millionaires there

in that case that's something that you guys gotta figure out with your selves, your country and representatives

One might find this information interesting in light of that said Mayor proclaims about the rich.





Maybe he simply has a different of view given what his position is really all about?

This is him at his best

Cobaltic1978
reply to post by tankthinker

 

As a collective we are fully responsible for society and living within laws, these responsibilities need paying for, hence I really don't mind paying taxes. However, the entire system isn't transparent enough and in order to do that, we have to cut the safety line from the bankers and start thinking of sustaining the people.

Minimum wage is a complete insult and should well be at least £10.00 an hour. In real terms it is because usually the lower earners are in receipt of tax credits, which means they are subsidised by the taxpayer. We are subsidising our own servitude, it's laughable isn't it?

If you owe taxes pay them, just like 90% of the people do. The corporations who find a way not to pay any should be held in disdain and not looked at as an object to be envious of.

As a collective we are not responsible for living within society and living within the laws, we are expected too

its a distinct difference

the statement of responsibility is simply a tool used to make people run more smoothly within the system (not that there is anything wrong with that)

And whether you choose to take on that responsibility like you do (hence you dont mind paying taxes), or not, neither one is essentially wrong

I believe that to force that responsibility upon everyone is an unrealistic view of our world, and an unrealistic expectation on human nature

You will never stop people taking advantage of the system (unless you have the government monitoring everything everyone does at all times - which I think most people would think is non optimal)

they will find a way or they will move to a place in which they can take advantage and trust me they will bring their money, jobs and resources there as well

The reason I dont want to pay taxes isnt because "well those people do it, so i might as well too."

its because I want more money for myself, to use the way I see fit, and whether that is to buy a Ferrari or support a cause is up to me and my values (of course I do like Masserati's more ), and not those of politicians and bureaucrats whom I dont respect

but it doesnt make me a bad person, I help people who ask for my help by giving them my time and effort, im nice and polite, and I know how to make people smile

If I found some way to go around a system, I would consider myself lucky and genius (the risk is another story entirely)

but if the system is built in a way that facilitates going around it, then that's just begging for me to take advantage, and I would remind you that this is a system perpetrated by the very people who are claiming that we all have the responsibility you described

And remember something, it is the superrich who are on top of society, it is those people who have the power and influence, their mindset made them successful, that has to say something about human nature.


The fact is that the minimum wage is always going to be too low, you bring it up, then the price of living goes up and your back to square one


Too many people forget that not that long ago we used to live in caves and fended for ourselves and our survival everyday without having anyone to look to to help us

Im not saying that a collective conscious is bad, it would be great if we had a worldwide arrangement that allowed for all the people of the world to have their important needs met and have no need for people to take advantage of eachother

but assuming and trying to impose that collective conscious on a system whose foundation is based otherwise is crippling to people as individuals because it makes them powerless to enact change, and thats when they start blaming the government, the super rich and anyone else who can be seen as a target

If you want things to change don't expect it, work with the system in place, become powerful, or influential and then change the fundamentals, be an example if your view is so righteous


Going completely against the system is also an option, but our system right now is pretty good compared to other systems and times in history, and unless you have a better one in mind it will be hard to gather support for it

because everytime you pick one part of the system that needs to be patched up and fixed, you will find three more waiting for you

reply to post by scotsdavy1


ahhh come on who hasnt been stuck on a zipline at some point in their lives lol

reply to post by tankthinker


The tears were coming to my eyes when I saw this live on TV

Being super rich is not what the problem is. It is that the new super rich aren't creating jobs for the people, they are passing the money back and forth between the rich and none of the money creates many jobs anymore. That is not the way it was when I was a kid, the rich created work for people. Now they create work in China. Maybe they should go live over there and we will recall all the money, excluding anyone who isn't a citizen or living here from getting reimbursed

the problem is they think London is it,anything beyond the boundaries of London then it doesn,t really matter.

to the politicians Great Britain is London and basically f**k the rest,thats what it will always be like.

reply to post by Cabin


This a-hole can take a turkey, and shove in his own meat locker.

The City of London (Corporation) is an onshore tax haven

It Houses -

Rothschild controlled 'Bank of England'
Lloyds of London
The London Stock Exchange
All British Banks
The Branch offices of 384 Foreign Banks
70 USA Banks
Fleet Streets Newspaper and Publishing Monopolies
Headquarters for Worldwide Freemasonry
Headquarters for the worldwide money cartel known as 'THE CROWN'


From wiki

The City of London is a city within London. The City constituted most of London from its settlement by the Romans in the 1st century AD to the Middle Ages, but the conurbation has since grown far beyond its borders.[4] As the City's boundaries have remained almost unchanged since the Middle Ages, it is now only a tiny part of the metropolis of Greater London, though it remains a notable part of central London. It holds city status in its own right and is also a separate ceremonial county. It is widely referred to as the City (often written on maps as "City" and differentiated from the phrase "the city of London" by capitalising the word City) or the Square Mile as it is 1.12 sq mi (2.90 km2)[5] in area.

These terms are also often used as metonyms for the United Kingdom's financial services industry, which continues a notable history of being largely based in the City.[6] The term London now refers to a much larger conurbation roughly corresponding to the London region, also known as the Greater London administrative area, comprising 32 boroughs (including the City of Westminster), in addition to the City of London. The local authority for the City, the City of London Corporation, is unique in the UK and has some unusual responsibilities for a local council, such as being the police authority.

It also has responsibilities and ownerships beyond the City's boundaries. The Corporation is headed by the Lord Mayor of the City of London, an office separate from (and much older than) the Mayor of London. The City is a major business and financial centre.[7] Throughout the 19th century, the City was perhaps the world's primary business centre, and it continues to be a major meeting point for businesses.[8] London came top in the Worldwide Centres of Commerce Index, published in 2008. The insurance industry is focused around the eastern side of the City. Another major financial district in London is located at Canary Wharf, 2.5 miles (4.0 km) to the east. The City has a resident population of about 7,000 (2011) but over 300,000 people commute to it and work there, mainly in the financial services sector.[9] The legal profession forms a major component of the northern and western sides of the City—especially in the Temple and Chancery Lane areas where the Inns of Court are located, of which two—Inner Temple and Middle Temple—fall within the City of London boundary.

From The Guardian

London, the great global financial centre, has another claim to fame: it has become the fastest growing destination for international tax avoiders. The world's super-rich and an elite cadre of financiers working in the Square Mile are increasingly using non-domicile tax status to sidestep paying tax on their fortunes. Thanks to 208-year-old laws designed to ensure British colonialists kept their overseas income intact, billionaires are now flocking to London in rapidly increasing numbers.

Those benefiting from non-dom status have rocketed over the last five years. The Treasury, responding to questions lodged by The Observer under Freedom of Information legislation, confirmed that 112,000 individuals indicated non-dom status in their self-assessment returns in the tax year to April 2005. This is a 74 per cent increase over 2002's figures.

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The three states that control the world..

City of London - Economically

Washington District of Columbia - Militarily

The Vatican - Spiritually -