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caseman1967
I disagree with trying to schmooze your server. You are the one with the money which means YOU are the boss that needs to be appeased. I say NO TIP, and here is why: That server may wait 50 more tables like yours that may feel obligated to tip at least $1.....that server made $50 clear that will NOT be reported on any tax form and what did he/she learn? Be a person who doesn't even try to go beyond basic service and you will still get free money. So I say NO TIP. I'd rather go to the cook's window, place my order and pick up my food and silverware than give a slacker a damn dime. Then, tip the cook!edit on 23-11-2013 by caseman1967 because: (no reason given)
boncho
caseman1967
I disagree with trying to schmooze your server. You are the one with the money which means YOU are the boss that needs to be appeased. I say NO TIP, and here is why: That server may wait 50 more tables like yours that may feel obligated to tip at least $1.....that server made $50 clear that will NOT be reported on any tax form and what did he/she learn? Be a person who doesn't even try to go beyond basic service and you will still get free money. So I say NO TIP. I'd rather go to the cook's window, place my order and pick up my food and silverware than give a slacker a damn dime. Then, tip the cook!edit on 23-11-2013 by caseman1967 because: (no reason given)
A lot of restaurants make their servers pay out their tips to the restaurant first. Depending on how many tables they served. In some cases this can lead them to having no tips. Another way to ding them, is some places artificially lower wages and use the tip pool to pay out employees.
It depends on the area. But it's not as if waiting tables is letting this people buy ferraris and lambos. Most servers get by just barely or depending on the establishment live decent means but not excess.
I find people who refuse to leave tips are just inherently cheap, and look for the dumbest excuses to show their true nature.
Personally, I tip 20% on everything when I get good service, I tip 10% when dissatisfied.
Urantia1111
I ordinarily tip 20% regardless of quality of service. This is because I don't consider each dine-out experience to be an opportunity to sit in judgement of one of my fellow human beings. People absolutely LOVE any chance to lord over someone else and being a "customer" (who is always right) grants them The Power to be Judge Judy & Executioner. NO REFILLS!? THAT, SIR, IS AN OUTRAGE AND VENGEANCE SHALL BE MINE! UNDERTIPPING DEPLOYED!
OneManArmy
You make a great point, service staff are most definitely not living it large. Id wager that they struggle like the rest of us. Id also go so far as to say its amazing they can find it within themselves to have good service at all, with all the grief they face from the "entitled" customer base and selfish bosses. They are between a rock and a hard place.
It's a job, much like any other job...and a tip is provided for a job well done. There's no sense of entitlement anywhere in my OP. I didn't order a lavish meal with a specific way to prepare my food. I sat down to eat at a restaurant. We could have chosen one where we stood up, walked across the place and got our own drinks, but we didn't. We chose one where a service is provided by a wait staff.
I don't think you should judge someone who always pays 20%.
The custom is to tip minimum 10% and 20% for satisfied service.
caseman1967
.....that server made $50 clear that will NOT be reported on any tax form and what did he/she learn?edit on 23-11-2013 by caseman1967 because: (no reason given)
boncho
maybe his mom just died
winofiend
boncho
maybe his mom just died
Bloody nora B man, I .. I should read a few posts before I hit reply.. lmao.
But at least I only had nis mother being sick... youi're evil!!!
winofiend
reply to post by zillah
I would not have assumed that the waiter was being rude, there may have been any number of things on his mind. Maybe his mother is ill and he was expecting a call. Maybe he was just told he was getting the sack because he never makes enough tips. Maybe he was just told he has cancer. Maybe he was extremely tired after working 3 jobs. Maybe all day long he had to put up with clients who give him nothing but stiff lip.
And your tip would have made his day. Instead, he now feels more miserable about life.
To find out what to do when service is bad, we asked Peter Post, an etiquette expert at the Emily Post Institute whom we featured in an Ask an Expert series last year.
According to Mr. Post, the time to show your disappointment with bad service is not when you’re giving a tip. Instead, you should complain before. “The time to complain about it is the time when the service is poor,” he said.
The tip, Mr. Post said, is part of what makes a waiter’s income livable and is often shared by many people.
So, for instance, if you are at a restaurant and service is slow, or the waiter or kitchen messes up your order, Mr. Post recommends talking to the offending person and the manager and expressing your dissatisfaction. Often, you’ll even get a free meal or at least a discount as consolation, much more than you would save by cutting the tip.
Lilroanie
reply to post by OpinionatedB
Errm, no way would I ever do that. I can almost guarantee from what I saw as a waitress that you will have "surprises" in your food. The rude servers aren't going to think twice about messing with your food and then laughing at you. I was really lucky and always polite so even if the service wasn't top notch from me, I always explained why, a lot of tables, not enough servers, kitchen backed up, etc. and smiled and did what I could to keep people happy and never had a tip problem.
I never experienced the pooling tips as I quit doing service before this became a fad. Hell if I had still been a server when this started I would have quit because of that heh. WAY too many lazy ass servers feeding off my work? Hell no! There was a reason I usually went home with 2-3 times as much as some others and it wasn't because I got more tables. It was because I made the customers meal enjoyable even if everything wasn't perfect or they were an ass.
I also always tipped my busboys and cooks really well wherever I worked, if you don't, you don't have happy customers when they ignore your tables or do your orders last.
Lil