Losing Zimbabwe Soccer Team Cries Foul Over use of 'Juju' Witchcraft by Opponents

In Zimbabwe, S Africa, there is an esoteric ritualistic practice within the professional soccer community involving witchcraft which is taboo in most circles.

the CAPS United team in Zimbabwe is calling foul after their rivals, a team called How Mine, allegedly used "juju," or witchcraft, during a key match this month. CAPS United said its officials checked out the dressing room of its opponents 15 minutes after the match started and found suspicious objects, including lighted candles and bottles of liquid arrayed in an 11-man team formation.

A foto of the formation:

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"Among juju charms are body parts of hyenas, snakes, crocodiles and owls. Gourds containing scales of snake skin, misshapen tubers of cactus, knots of river reeds, dead lizards, dry blood or sheep's offal have been hidden in sports arenas.

Female witches are hired to sniff out and neutralise spells cast by others.

The most effective antidote to a rival's juju is believed by many to be baboon urine, either on the soccer field, near the gates to the ground, at the players' tunnel or behind the goal.

Coarse salt can also be scattered to ward off perceived evil spirits and spells and a player's feet and hands can also be rubbed with animal or human urine or herbal potions which leads to a reluctance between opposing players to shake hands before a match."

Apparently this is quiet a common practice across sub-Saharan Africa and I wonder how prevalent the practice of magic is within western society.

reply to post by pandersway




Is it any wonder why Africa is being left behind the rest of the world in every way. It is like they are living 400 years ago.

reply to post by SubTruth


I think Africa's problems are more to do with corruption, tin-pot dictatorships and international corporations' exploitation than their practices in magic. Just recently the daughter of dictator Karimova of Uzbekistan ,Gulnara Karimova, claimed that her sister was using black magic to attack her. How much more prevalent is this?

reply to post by SubTruth


You obviously have a very limited knowledge of Africa as a whole! Educate yourself before you pronounce judgement on an entire continent! People all over the world believe in and "use" Witchcraft/Voodoo/Magic" in, probably misguided, attempts to achieve their aims!
Ever heard of a Four Leafed Clover or Rabbits Foot? Now where do you think those originated from and are still in use?

Erm, really? The team loses, so it must be because of spells, and not because the opponents did well enough to win? Wow, so that's how the Buffalo Sabres win a hockey game once in a while, they hire sorcerers to make it happen. Seems legit.

pandersway
reply to post by SubTruth

 

Just recently the daughter of dictator Karimova of Uzbekistan ,Gulnara Karimova, claimed that her sister was using black magic to attack her. How much more prevalent is this?

I have to admit, I'm not as up to speed on the politics on the former Soviet countries as others. I had to look this woman up. Judging from what there is to know publicly about the Karimov family, it seems like a poster child for dysfunctional wealthy dictator families.
Here's just one of the countless articles out there on her, the entire family reeks of greed & corruption. I doubt "magic" has anything to do with it.
www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by Nyiah


Yes, but what interests me is the 'claim' of black magic being used....not whether or not it actually has or has any affect. It is obvious that the older sister believes that something has been done that I would say is out of the ordinary!

reply to post by pandersway

That is correct.Living in South Africa myself,I can attest that although certain beliefs are too deepseated to ever be removed from the minds and mindset/psyche of the majority of my country's citizens-they are very well able to adapt to a sophisticated 1st world lifestyle and professions.One can live successfully in "two worlds",it is entirely+absolutely possible.

Aside from what you mentioned,the biggest problem locally is that there is not much motivation to Think and do any real problemsolving re internal issues in my country that need to be addressed,because the ANC government,when confronted by a problem of their own making,just blames the long-dead Apartheid system/the white man.Which in their mindset absolves them completely of trying to find any real solutions.
If your diagnosis is incorrect,you cannot prescribe the correct medication/course of action for treatment.If your health problem is from smoking or drinking too much,there is no point blaming the guy or gal who broke your heart 20-30 years ago-well you Can,technically speaking,but if you stay forever in that paradigm,good luck with ever finding a way to address your current medical condition.

Here is a lil thread I made on the object of one of South Africa's oldest and most deepseated beliefs,the Tokoloshe.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Raxoxane


Yeah, Tokoloshe, this is the first I've heard of it and it's really interesting. Tks for posting! I feel very drawn to S Africa and I will get there eventually....one thing at a time...

reply to post by pandersway

That's great to hear,South Africa is a Brilliant country,also the neighbouring mountain kingdom of Swaziland is wonderful,another neighbouring country,Mozambique,all close to the region where I live,have fantastic beaches+fresh seafood.I tend to think of South Africa as a "realm",not merely a country,even with all our problems,including the current regime's fails+shortcomings.Not in an elitist "my country is better than yours" type of way,but because living here,especially out in the Bush,like I do,one Feels it,there is a magical,very mystical feel to the world here,I have seen some very strange things myself.But I felt it in Cape Town as a child,too,growing up in a shabby industrial area,in a very urban setting.

But not just seeing strange things,one really does achieve a very magickal bond with nature here,I am,if anything,shamanic in my worldview and belief system.Well my belief system is a pretty singular,individualised one,pieces of a puzzle striving to make a whole,I believe a belief systen should be pliable,adjustable,a living thing,to evolve as new insights and wisdom accumulates.Religion is stagnant,draconian and like a bonsai,whereas a belief system based on a spiritual+metaphysical journey of discovery is a Tree,it is still able to grow and extend deep and wide and high.Well imo,anyway.

While non-Africans will often scoff at and show derision for the "superstitious nonsense" of Africans,at least Africans are open to possibilities,they do not have the closed minds that are so prevalent in 1st world countries,they live closer to the earth as a rule,and as I myself have experienced,in a spiritual+metaphysical context,earth and sky are,above and below are inextricably intertwined.Get closer to earth,sky gets closer to you(that includes insight,wisdom,intuition,joy and upliftment and stength,not just phenomena.) You tap into some sort of collective,I think,when you are devoted to earth,to the very soil and plantlife and animal+bird liife-there is a definite connection you can feel,and that connection will then eventually sometimes manifest in very unusual but quite wonderful experiences+phenomena.I am not saying saying Africa or South Africa has the monopoly on being a mystical place where you have a good chance,with sensitivity+the correct mindset,to really experience a strong connection with the spiritual +metaphysical world,but it IS a special place in the world.I myself have felt it since I was a toddler,I have never gotten used to the feel of the mystical,like one would expect the aura of the place you always lived to become "old hat" or humdrum and "background noise",you know? It is always there,and fresh as I felt it from first memory.

wiser3
reply to post by SubTruth

 

You obviously have a very limited knowledge of Africa as a whole! Educate yourself before you pronounce judgement on an entire continent! People all over the world believe in and "use" Witchcraft/Voodoo/Magic" in, probably misguided, attempts to achieve their aims!
Ever heard of a Four Leafed Clover or Rabbits Foot? Now where do you think those originated from and are still in use?

Sure, I had a rabbit's foot as a kid, and I also believed in Santa Clause, the difference here being that the NFL game I watched the other day, I could take comfort in knowing that our professional athletes weren't dumping baboon urine on the end zones as they walked onto the field. That, and during half-time they were talking strategy, not rubbing hyena blood on themselves doing rain dances.

reply to post by Raxoxane


This is really interesting what you are talking about. I have been doing a lot of chakra and kundelini meditation during the past two years and it has brought about changes in my life...all for the good. S Africa has become a focus of mine lately for several reasons but none of which demand such attention as given by me. Provocative that you should mention your area and the beauty therein as you have.

reply to post by boncho


Not that my reply was for you but, you know that for fact? You also know that your teams aren't in any way superstitious, will only go on field if they have dressed in the "correct" order according to their own minds, Left sock and then right sock, then underpants then shirt, then shorts, then right sock then shoes, whatever, have to be wearing their lucky underwear, most sportspersons and teams have their own foibles! My point was that that person judged Africa to be 400 years behind the rest of the "enlightened" world and you seem to share their judgement! Good for you! I for one have never indulged in carrying a dead animals foot around with me or any such nonsense but each to their own!

reply to post by pandersway

What I suspect is the "psychology" behind all this:because the belief is so strong,in magic here in Africa,and has been for thousands of years,it becomes a kind of "self-fulfilling prophecy" Because of the depth of the belief in resultant vulnerablity of the intended victims,when something like the juju articles are discovered in a soccerteams changeroom,for instance,it server to intimidate+demoralise.There is a saying:"Power perceived is power achieved" which I believe sums it all up.Not to say that witchcraft,the practice there-of because of a belief that goes extremely deep+the connection formed with entities in the spiritual+metaphysical realms can not cede results,but I would say the Primary cause of any effects on an intended victim would be psychological+mental.That is why so many folks in even 1st world countries practises rituals+ways for psychic protection.These rituals all have a common basis:psychologically+mentally refusing to allow negative influences+entities of any kind permission to affect one's world,one's life,you know?
Because one has to be on a firm footing psychologically+mentally First,before you can hope to effectively counteract or block any attempts at intrusion into your world(mind,soul,and body+physical realm surrounding one)
Well,that's my opinion,anyway.

wiser3
reply to post by boncho

 

Not that my reply was for you but, you know that for fact?

Yes, I know for a fact NFL players do not dump baboon urine on the end zone.



Don't take me too seriously, I jest.

reply to post by boncho


Sorry about that, I just take offense when people take it upon themsleves to ridicule Africa when they don't know what they are talking about, as I am sure you would do if they were doing the same about your country!
We even have computers and internet! Imagine that!! Hahaha!

reply to post by Raxoxane


That's why it's so important to have and maintain positive thoughts and intentions. Don't allow negative mind-chatter to dominate. Keep fear and anger at a minimum and not open the door to anything that might be detrimental to our well-being. That's what I think.

This reminds me of something I read a few months ago. The Australian national team was playing a game in Mozambique to qualify for the world cup and they hired a "witch doctor" who did his thing, placing a curse on the opposing team. It was successful as they won the match but they either couldn't or didn't wand to pay the fee, so he flipped the curse against them. The team lost in the first round to Israel and in the proceeding 32 years they only qualified for the World Cup once ( never scoring a goal in tournament play).

An Australian documentary film maker named John Safran went to Mozambique in 2004 to have the curse reversed. The witch doctor had died in the interim so he had a new witch doctor channel the former and the curse was successfully removed. The team has qualified for each World Cup that's taken place since the removal.

Moral of the story - Don't piss off witch doctors (It's bad juju man)

wiser3
reply to post by boncho

 

Sorry about that, I just take offense when people take it upon themsleves to ridicule Africa when they don't know what they are talking about, as I am sure you would do if they were doing the same about your country!
We even have computers and internet! Imagine that!! Hahaha!

If the roles were reversed I would happily make fun of North America or anywhere else as well. You can't deny how silly it is. I'm not sure what is worse, the fact that it happened or that the other team actually cared.

Not that this is lacking anywhere else in the world, I'm sure you can find a laundry list of people who put curses or some other nonsense on people. Or religious zealots damning people to hell, etc.

reply to post by pandersway

Absolutely,you nailed it.The vulnerable victim mentality is also one of The most destructive mindsets,I should add,another Huge no-no,self -pity is a terrible danger,as I have found out for myself,it leads to a victim mentality,even without the person realising it,in most cases.It weakens,it Never strengthens.It is,along with a general pessimistic outlook and unresolved anger (however justified) an absolute nexus of spiritual+metaphysical vulnerability.What I have to mention also,and this is an absolute fact,proven to me by myself,that there is Great power in GENUINE bawl-your-eyes-out FORGIVING of others for past hurts.I emphasise that point because it is really super important,as it works,it does.It brings a feeling of lightness,liberation,it brings tenderness+more compassion,it brings joy,even if there is a definite element of sadness for the ones lost and gone who hurt one's life so much- it does clear away a huge obstacle in one's connection to Source-and there in is personal power,and strength versus anger,bitterness and resentment-those actually form a prison for the soul and mind,and a poisonous and dangerous,disempowering one.I never knew how solid a prison it was,till I stepped out of it,and that was just one "prison" There are more jailbreaks to attempt yet,but ach you know,it is a journey,life,a process,so no rush

reply to post by Josephus


Over the years Christiano Ronaldo has visited Bali and has made local tv commercials several times. It has been rumored that he has also used local witchcraft to improve his game, however, I don't know if this can be substantiated. It seems the magic has been done in a more positive manner than that of maliciousness.