Tecumseh's Curse and the Most Hated President in History

Some of us lived on a fixed income that has no room for planning ahead--

But then, we must stand on our own two feet with God's help.

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Some of us lived on a fixed income that has no room for planning ahead--

But then, we must stand on our own two feet with God's help.

You are not alone, friend. More people than you know are a breath away from losing it all. Much of the wealth we see in this nation is a facad. Most are maxed out on their credit and straining under massive debt. Do what you can - even if its setting aside one bottle of water or a few cans of soup everytime you shop. Do without something if you can. Cut back on bad habits (if you have any) - like smoking. And always pray!

Like Clint said in "Heartbreak Ridge" - "IMPROVISE, ADAPT AND OVERCOME!"

What is Legit, what is not?

Its all perception. I have been having this problem for the last couple of Months. Mainly Pointing to the Way the Iraq War is covered. Agencies are banned, only Approved Reporters can report from inside. WHY? Seriously. Who is Right? Who is Wrong? It's all a matter of Opinion, and no 'Ones' opinion is better than the others, that is why they are opinions. Come on, everyone is freaking out about the Pre-Monday night football skit with TO. I have seen racier stuff flicking past Soap Operas. Sites Like ATS may be shut down, but there are Millions more out there. You shut down ABC, how quickly will another Station Pop up?

Who is to say what is true and what is not, especially if you have not witnessed it first hand? Credibility, especially this year, is going down the tubes in Mainstream Media. Their turning to Blogs for christs sake to get stories. I am amazed at the perception that GW is almost considered a saint and can do no wrong. All you need to do is look outside of the US and you see it almost everywhere. People all over the Place have Measured GW up with Hitler. not only those on ATS. Do not even try to put me into a group, I look at him, face value and I do not like it. Please step out of the Box once and awhile to see what everyone is saying, then form your opinion.

Man, what a load of junk. If you think American voters have no say, then why have elections at all? America is not a socialist country. Otherwise we would not have all the talk about healthcare. The Government would give you everything you needed and there would be a waiting list just to get a wart burned off.

Bush won because of all of the grassroot movements that supported him, Not the big corportations.

America is a democratic socialist country; any first year political sciences class could fill you in.

Tell me: how many Americans voted fro bush, 56-58 million right? Now, out of those, how many touted the president as a candidate, or was this candidate 'touted' to them?

Deep

The mainstream media has ZERO credibility on Iraq. Anyone with a brain can see that. I just hate the fact that people all over the world believe we elected George W. Bush. He elected himself with the help of his diebold and ES&S buddies.

Why embeds? The great lesson from Vietnam was CONTROL the media. Control the message.

Another thing Where is this Political Capital coming from?
He only won by a Freaking State. This is not like other election where it was like
545 Ev's to 13, or whatever. Most Presidents who had this, Overwhelmingly Won. He did Not.

Wow, Bush&Co stole 2000 election by using police and NG to drive away democrats in florida while rounding up as many illegal aliens they could find and giving them ballots with Bush already marked. Anyways, the pres. doesn't always die, wasn't it Reagan who was shot in the stomach and lived?
BTW, love the Tech man, live near the area the battles were mainly fought at, went to see the play, an outdoor play that lasts about 3-4 hours.

Its all perception. I have been having this problem for the last couple of Months. Mainly Pointing to the Way the Iraq War is covered. Agencies are banned, only Approved Reporters can report from inside. WHY? Seriously. Who is Right? Who is Wrong? It's all a matter of Opinion, and no 'Ones' opinion is better than the others, that is why they are opinions. Come on, everyone is freaking out about the Pre-Monday night football skit with TO. I have seen racier stuff flicking past Soap Operas. Sites Like ATS may be shut down, but there are Millions more out there. You shut down ABC, how quickly will another Station Pop up?

I disagree; A priori and a posteriori knowledge can be used to ascertain which 'opinion' is more merited than the other: Reason and Logic alone (EKC insuation) determines that the current administrations discourse, backed up by emperical facts; Experience gives us a glance of what other 'dictators' have done years passed. We have observed, based on experience, the steady signs of a fascist state, and we use this in disdain.

Deep

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Like him or not my "idol" Dubya is going to end terrorism worldwide.

You want a bet? So far there have been lots more terrorist acts than before the dufus came to power.

Then he will be coming after all you radical leftist. I don't seem to remember ANY bombings anywhere coming from RightWing "nuts".

Here's an exerpt from that link, saying otherwise:

On April 2003, John Ashcroft's Justice Department disrupted what appears to have been a horrifying terrorist plot. In the small town of Noonday, Tex., F.B.I. agents discovered a weapons cache containing fully automatic machine guns, remote-controlled explosive devices disguised as briefcases, 60 pipe bombs and a chemical weapon � a cyanide bomb � big enough to kill everyone in a 30,000-square-foot building.

Strangely, though, the attorney general didn't call a press conference to announce the discovery of the weapons cache, or the arrest of William Krar, its owner.

The cover up happened because of well, you know... Ashcroft's being a right wing nut himself.

And there is another story on the these right wing terroritsts here.

The 60's was full of terrorist from the left, and Stalin the ultimate murdered was way Left.

Was Pinochet left? Doubt it. Franko? No.

Deep, don't get me started on Kant

Although all our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it all arises out of experience. For it may well be that even our empirical knowledge is made up of what we receive through impressions and of whatour own faculty for knowing (sensible impressions serving merely as the occasion) supplies from itself. If our faculty for knowing makes any such addition, it may be that we are not in a position to distinguish it from the raw material, until with long practice of attention we have been skilled in separating it.

Immanuel Kant "Critique of Pure Reason"

Opinion does not always Merit "Truth"





[edit on 18-11-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

I don't understand anyone claiming that terrorists in the US during the 60's or any other time were just leftists-
Weathermen (sometimes called Weather Underground), all the Militias, KKK, all the nationalistic groups-

What is missing from the current state of events is a large scale move of nationalism. Some of this is creeping up in Europe now and the power that be will move to cover it up. Where are the US nationalists? These groups are the ones the PNAC/Neocons fear � it is not ranting Democrats.

I'd say the PNACers/NEO CONS are the ones who are nationalistic. Bush's true believers also remind me of the Germans that allowed Hitler to rise. Angry and jingoistic.

ECK I see it different- PNAC and their ilk are corporationists. I see no America for Americans in their game plan. It seems to me that their entire view is based upon American military supremacy which is an inarguable certainty at least in the near term.

To keep from splitting hairs and getting cross on this let me add that what I perceive is nothing more than historical oligarchy rule. The prostitution of the American labor force and thrashing of what were at one time American ideals to drive a partial world domination along the lines of imperialism/colonialism seem to me to be profit/control motivated for the benefit of the group rather than the nation per se.

For many years Americans have been kind of ashamed of their own accomplishments. A guilt complex crept in because America was too successful. The PNAC and their kind have no shame, they are hubristic and in control of the largest military and force machine on the planet.

As Rome and the Mongols both did for hundreds of years the expansion outward will be driven by force. In these modern times banking (IMF, World Bank, etc.) provides more tools to fulfill the goals of the oligarchists.

For many years a mythical middle-class was needed to insulate the unwashed from the oligarchs, while this middle class is still needed it also is needed more and more as a trained servile class.

By maintaining the upward mobility routes for the rare and gifted (Bill Gates) any genius capable of thwarting their goals is instead brought in to the group. Look at this board and the Internet as a whole, many people believe they are more worthy of making decisions and therefore rule than common blue collar workers. History tells us different, but we have never learned from history so why would we now?

America has a large elite class that believes in themselves. America as a place merely provides their vehicle. I just do not see Imperialism as being nationalistic.

Mussolini (I believe) defined fascism as the merger of the state and corporate sector. It's happened, right before our eyes. The mainstream media belongs to it, too. Democracy is dead.

I used to be as proud as anyone could be of our nation's greatness. These days I'm ashamed of what we represent around the world. What's really sad is, that contrary to what the media keeps TELLING you, the majority of Americans DO NOT support Bush and his foreign policy!

We're gonna pay for allowing BushCo. to stay in office.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
We're gonna pay for allowing BushCo. to stay in office.

I do believe that the US will pay...

But it won't have anything to do with Bush and his merry men. It'll be because as you and your posts have demostrated....America really has dumbed down. And yes I agree with you, the liberal media is part of it.

it's sad really

We will pay for our duplicitous foreign policy and for the war crimes that have been committed in our name. And yes, America has been dumbed way down. If it were not, we would not have Bush in the Oval office and we would not be fighting an illegal war of aggression. We have the mainstream media and those idiots who believe BushCo's lies to thank for that.

Getting back to the subject of this thread... If Bush did meet his fate while serving out his second term, I wonder how it would happen? I mean, that pretzel damn near did him in. Wouldn't it be something else if something like that did it?! The curse doesn't say anything about how it happens. Just that it will.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Wow ECK, still 'cursing,' forgive the pun, about Bush still being in office?
All the 'hate' and 'wishful' thinking dripping from this thread is almost hilarious.

Let's see:
Rense.com= less than credible
Truthout.org= less than credible
TBRNews= questionable

As to the matter of "stolen elections"....till the Democrat's and liberal regain office, every election will be considered, proclaimed, and heralded as "stolen".

seekerof

[edit on 17-11-2004 by Seekerof]

All I have to say to this.......................

Who are you puking at? Seekerof.. me?

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Getting back to the subject of this thread... If Bush did meet his fate while serving out his second term, I wonder how it would happen? I mean, that pretzel damn near did him in. Wouldn't it be something else if something like that did it?! The curse doesn't say anything about how it happens. Just that it will.

I do think the curse or whatever it is will go on. I don't know if Bush will die or not, but I do think there will be an attempt on his life.

If he goes like by a pretzel or something, there will be a period of mourning, where no one says much, but the comedians will be all over it soon after. People will be divided as always with people saying he was good, people saying he was bad and so on. And I'm sure the right wing nuts will come up with conspiricies that the democrats were somehow responsible.