The Mosque and a new Temple side by side on "Temple Mount" - key to Mideast peace

There's lots of room to do it.



So, world leaders, get a move on.

Numerous people would complain and grumble, of course, but all it will take is a summit of Muslim, Jewish, and political leaders from all the countries in the region. Putin, if he is serious about being a peacenik, could call the meeting. It doesn't sound that difficult, especially after seeing how much land area is available for a new Temple without destroying the Dome.

Then everyone can hold hands and sing about harmony, release doves and balloons, and enjoy the mixed-religion picnics on the grounds. But seriously, it would maybe just take three or four major players to agree and this could happen. Dibs on the money-changer concession near the Holy of Holies.

reply to post by Aleister


While that is a wonderful idea in theory it will never fly. The Temple Mount is the most coveted little square of real estate in the entire world and more than likely will never be shared peacefully....in fact trying what you suggest could be the catalyst for World War 3!

reply to post by Aleister


You do realize the building or even laying foundation for the Third Temple is a definitive sign of a new phase in history, so to speak, that millions of us (Yup..I said us on this one) are watching for? It's more than a building...it's a symbol and a fulfillment of prophecy which few would miss and many would be willing to fight to any extreme to prevent.

I'm not among that last extreme group...but I would take the events that sign indicates as a pure given and accepted fact, where right now, it's a maybe with sincere hope everything is wrong.

Just my 2 cents. It would start a war...not solve anything. Very quickly, in fact.

littled16
reply to post by Aleister

 

While that is a wonderful idea in theory it will never fly. The Temple Mount is the most coveted little square of real estate in the entire world and more than likely will never be shared peacefully....in fact trying what you suggest could be the catalyst for World War 3!

I've never started World War 3 before, although I did try to call a Summit Conference once (true, and it got some good press and some political support). Wouldn't the agreement of all the political and religious leaders in the region to give Israel a hunk of the open land on the Mount work out the kinks? I may be naïve on this, but exactly how would it start a war if everyone agreed, even the extremists (they'd have to be involved in the discussion)?

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Aleister

 

You do realize the building or even laying foundation for the Third Temple is a definitive sign of a new phase in history, so to speak, that millions of us (Yup..I said us on this one) are watching for? It's more than a building...it's a symbol and a fulfillment of prophecy which few would miss and many would be willing to fight to any extreme to prevent.

I'm not among that last extreme group...but I would take the events that sign indicates as a pure given and accepted fact, where right now, it's a maybe with sincere hope everything is wrong.

Just my 2 cents. It would start a war...not solve anything. Very quickly, in fact.

Putin has mentioned before that he believes that Israel should be able to build their Temple, and after his latest moves in the Mideast and the way people everywhere are starting to give him respect and credibility ... I'm beginning to think he might be able to broker it and that insidious deal that also ushers in the new era you and I are thinking of.

In fact, right now if there is anyone in the world who is capable of being that "certain someone" ... I think it might be him.

reply to post by Aleister


They would never agree to it- that is the problem. Different religious factions have been making war over this one little piece of property since the beginning of recorded time, and if we know anything about zealotry at all then we know that when it comes to religious extremists there is absolutely no room for compromise whatsoever!

littled16
reply to post by Aleister

 

They would never agree to it- that is the problem. Different religious factions have been making war over this one little piece of property since the beginning of recorded time, and if we know anything about zealotry at all then we know that when it comes to religious extremists there is absolutely no room for compromise whatsoever!

Yes, but spears into plowshares and all that. Look at all that room over in the bottom left corner of the picture, they could pop it in there. Sure, there are prophecies and dreams and gotchas all around such an idea, but since many Muslims are living in the 21st century instead of the 14th, maybe.... never say never, I never say (seriously, first time I've ever said or written those words).

reply to post by littled16


Well that all depends.

If there really is a Rapture event (the jury is out), the true believers from one of the three faiths in question would be removed leaving behind the go along to get along types. That removes the "zealots" from one faction at some point although I would say that "we" (I can count myself in that group I guess) don't necessarily fear the end insomuch as it means that the Savior will return. If I fear any of it, it's the bad things that must come first. Trying to prevent them won't stop them; prophecy can't be averted I don't think, only maybe delayed.

As for the Muslims and Jews ... well I can't speak for them. There are an awful lot of people who have been living under threat of death in Israel for a long time and feel the only way to be safe is to stay on a war footing. If they felt they could trust their neighbors, they likely be all too happy to live in peace. I got that feeling from a teammate of mine in college, but they can't trust their neighbors. There is a lot of mistrust on both sides and it goes all they way back to the very beginning where you can see deceptions in the Hadith and Koran.

reply to post by ketsuko


Rapture is obviously a misreading of the text, which probably means a shift in consciousness. Putting up the Temple and letting all sides play out their wishing and hoping and moaning and groaning would let them vent, and then after a couple of years everyone would settle into the fact of peaceful non-eventful coexistence.

reply to post by Aleister


Yes, well, that's not how it plays out unfortunately.

Actually, that's a beautiful idea. While I identify most-closely with Christianity, I'm also the type of person who believes that the common persons of ALL faiths are sincere and non-violent. It's the fanatics and politicos who prostitute faith for their own agendas that are at fault. That includes Atheists & New Agers...everyone has a religion as it were, eh?

In my experience and world-travels, the common person of any faith/belief have always been quite lovely and welcoming and non-violent. Touchingly so. We've shared and loved and I've learned MUCH from all of them.

Don't confuse extremists with persons of faith. If you do, you only show your own extremism.

Nice post, OP, and not so far-fetched imo---if you ask the common folk over a shared dinner.

reply to post by ketsuko


Honestly it goes back much further than that, all the way back to the rivalry between Ishmael and Isaac. Sibling rivalry over their father's blessing split one religion into two and unfortunately I'm afraid never the twain shall meet. It matters not how many religious people who aren't zealots want peace....in the end the zealots join the politicians in continuing the ancient blood feud regardless.

reply to post by Aleister


The muslim dome will come down and the temple rebuilt. Notice the word rebuilt. The dome sits inside the temple. The temple rebuilt usher's in the antichrist and the last days.

The Bot

reply to post by Aleister


The third temple could easily be built next to the Dome of the Rock. I think the best location would be to the south of the dome where the trees are. Historical evidence for this location was researched by Tuvia Sagiv.

www.templemount.org...

littled16
reply to post by ketsuko

 

Honestly it goes back much further than that, all the way back to the rivalry between Ishmael and Isaac. Sibling rivalry over their father's blessing split one religion into two and unfortunately I'm afraid never the twain shall meet. It matters not how many religious people who aren't zealots want peace....in the end the zealots join the politicians in continuing the ancient blood feud regardless.

Interesting that isn't it? All began because the father couldn't trust God that he would have a son and listened to his wife to sleep with their slave woman. Good argument for marriage fidelity there.

I really, really wish I didn't believe in the prophecies and that we could all blend into one big happy world religion. I do think it will seem to work very well for a short time, but it will all fall to dust before too long.

Is that the One where the Jew™ won't let the Muslim™ let the Christian™ have "their spot"? Each of these organized ®eligions™ have had a "Big Shot" die and each time the dead guy gets buried out by the airport, so why exactly do they "need" it? So the other guy doesn't get it. One could opine this shows little "faith" by ALL parties concerned.

If the human ego is involved "it'll never work"...

namaste

reply to post by Aleister


The wailing wall was used as a rubbish dump by the palestinian islamics whom knew it was sacred to the jews, they banned the jews from going there, they bricked up the eastern gate was bricked up by the islamic authoritys so that the messiah could not come as he has to come through that gate, many jewish settlers were massacred including children and in kind they murdered palestinians in some retalliation massacres, the truth is these people will always hate one another (not all of them), many jewish woman whom fell in love with palestinian men and vice versa have had to leave that part of the world.

The jewish temple is believed to have stood to the west of the dome of the rock and they are not on the same site but the dome of the rock is within the temple enclosure of the herodian temple so it is seen as blaspheming and desecrating the most holy site in judaeism.

When the discovery of the ark of the covenant was announced and then retracted a riot happened on the temple mount as extremists claimed the israeli authoritys would use it to justify rebuilding the temple and several people died, the cave were the ark was supposedly found was sealed with a steel plate then backfilled and blocked with conctrete after which bulldozers further obscurred the entrance, the possible site of the crucifixion over the site of the cave was then also bulldozed by israely authority's.

Believe me this is so complicated and there are three factions not two whom want that mountain, two that want the temple rebuilt (the christians and the jews) and one that wants to prevent the temple being rebuilt (the muslims).

There are good people in all three factions for whom it would work but the extremists of all three would make certain it never did sadly.

Of course, this all may be rendered academic. There are a lot of tunnels underneath and throughout the Temple Mount. This is making the place unstable and there have been collapses in recent years. The whole area is potentially becoming unstable and it's not outside the realm of possibility that the Dome of the Rock could collapse.

Of course, each side ... blames the other.

Whether or not any or all of these excavations are fresh or carried out exclusively by one side or the other? Who can say. I sure can't.

Hi, I had a post here but when I went back to read the thread realized my question had been answered. And no, I am not a follower of Jesus or whoever the people who are playing with prophecy esteem as their lord and savior. I have very little idea of what they're talking about. This just made common sense.

What happened is last week I was looking at an overhead pic of the area, and had never seen it before. Lots of room for the Jewish folks to build their longed-for temple there. If the Muslims allowed this they'd be honored across the world, peace would follow, handshakes all around, likely lots of people who don't like the idea making noise and maybe more than noise, a couple years go by and things would settle down, and the benefits for the world would be enormous. What would it take, a dozen arab and Muslim leaders working with Putin? That was the thought process that crossed my mind. I'd always imagined the area as much smaller, and the Dome of the Rock taking up almost the whole thing. Then I see there's lots of room! Peace, love, dove, flowers and butterflies, from one point of view. Some posters say it would cause a war, another one is hinting that he and I know things others don't and I have no idea what he's talking about. I just saw there was lots of room, and didn't know that before.

reply to post by Aleister


OK.

The rebuilding of the Jewish Temple is a clear sign of the end times. It's written in the Book of Revelation. There has to be a Jewish temple for the anti-Christ to enter and declare himself in and set himself up and the figure to be worshipped in a new one world religion. At that point, all who do not comply will be persecuted whatever their faith was before.

If the temple is built, it is a clear fulfillment of prophecy and sign we are nearing the end. Along with it, there will be a seven year peace accord in the Middle East. This will take place during the Tribulation period. The anti-Christ is supposed to enter the temple somewhere around the middle of the Trib. The first part will be marked with disasters, but they will nothing compared to the second part where the real SHTF. And it all comes to a grand finale with Armageddon.

Here's a speculative timeline. I chose this one because it shows you a picture that has the Dome of the Rock and Third Temple coexisting. You can find lots of these timelines online, and they are all highly speculative because no one knows for exactly how the end falls out.

It is interesting to note that Russia has been pegged for a while as an End Times player, long before they were bound up in recent events in the Middle East. Now look at the position they occupy there which is relatively recent. It's also interesting to note Putin's sudden rise on the world stage, too.

I guess I'll edit to add this - It's also interesting to note that Islamic end times prophecies fit fairly well into the Christian ones. Now you can take this mean that Mohammad borrowed quite heavily from existing faith traditions of the time or you can say that he was actually another prophet of God building on the previous Book traditions or you can take a more sinister view ... but, it cannot be denied that Islamic end times traditions do coincide rather neatly with many of the Christian ones.