Aliens from the Pleiadian star cluster ?

Hey,

A lot of folks think that 'good aliens' come from the Pleiadian
star cluster. Now, I'm not saying that's impossible; and I'm
certainly not going to tease anyone over this belief. In fact
I'm reading a book about how many American Indians believe
that their ancestors come from there.. and I'm 1/4 Lakota
Sioux Indian.

That said.

The stars of the Pleiadian star cluster are according to
science, pretty young (just 100 million years; our sun
is 4.6 billion years old).

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Now the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old as well:

en.wikipedia.org...

and it is thought that life began about 600 million
years later:

en.wikipedia.org...

So.. here's my issue..

If it took 600 million years for single cells to form on Earth,

how in heck are super advanced aliens evolving in under

100 million years in the Pleiades star cluster?

Now; did "God make them --- POOF!" I can't say.

Did they come from elsewhere and just hang out
in the Pleiades? Maybe.

Are they really energy creatures, and energy creatures
can sometimes evolve likkety split? Could be.

The thought just occurred to me.. my scientific side
you know.. I was a nuclear engineer before I moved
to the 99th dimension.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Billy Meir created them, and since he's the reincarnation of Jesus, he can do anything (except regrow his amputated arm). In thus fashion, an entire advanced civilization well above and beyond our own can evolve faster than Michael Horn (Meir's PR/sales guy) can sell another Billy Meir book/video.

AliceBleachWhite
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

Billy Meir created them, and since he's the reincarnation of Jesus, he can do anything (except regrow his amputated arm). In thus fashion, an entire advanced civilization well above and beyond our own can evolve faster than Michael Horn (Meir's PR/sales guy) can sell another Billy Meir book/video.

Nope sorry; good ole Billy didn't invent anything, just copied.

Course that doesn't help the folks from the Pleiades since; they can't exist.

As the OP said the stars are all 75 - 150 million years old. and while the Earth took longer than 600 million years to develop basic life, it will be a few hundred million years for any of the Pleiades stars to develop single cell life. But, have no doubt, there WILL be life in the Pleiades one day.

KellyPrettyBear

The stars of the Pleiadian star cluster are according to
science, pretty young (just 100 million years; our sun
is 4.6 billion years old).

So.. here's my issue..

If it took 600 million years for single cells to form on Earth,

how in heck are super advanced aliens evolving in under

100 million years in the Pleiades star cluster?

Now; did "God make them --- POOF!" I can't say.

Did they come from elsewhere and just hang out
in the Pleiades? Maybe.

Are they really energy creatures, and energy creatures
can sometimes evolve likkety split? Could be.

The thought just occurred to me.. my scientific side
you know.. I was a nuclear engineer before I moved
to the 99th dimension.

KPB

Correct.

The whole Pleiades thing is nonsense made up by New Agers who saw some pretty pictures of the Pleiades (they are beautiful for the same reason they are deadly to life, lots of dust and radiation) and made up a whole narrative to go along with them. They sell a lot of books and keep New Ages (con) artists employed.

I mentioned this in the Hill Star Map thread:

"BTW: I would be highly suspect of any one claiming aliens come from Sirius, Pollux, Aldebaran or Arcturus for the same reason one would be highly suspect of claims of aliens from the Pleiades or the Orion Nebula.

There are solid reasons. Those stars either have dead star (white dwarf) companions (Sirius), too young (Pollux & the stars of the Pleiades), off the main sequence (Aldebaran is a Red Giant, Arcturus is an Orange Giant), or the left over ash of a supernova forming new stars and planets (Orion Nebula).

All of the above make "pretty pictures" (which is why contactees usually claim these places are the origin of the "space brothers" like they did with the planet Venus in the 1950s) but from an astrobiological point of view they are pretty hostile places to organic life.

I only point this out to make the distinction between these places and the places on the Hill-Fish map which upon first look are fairly boring, unremarkable stars (but exactly the kind likely to have life).

Popular stuff of myth and legend is absent from it, but what is not absent apparently are planets in habitable zones. "

More over here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are no "energy beings" other than in sci-fi, and these folks books.

What these people who offer such stories depend on is the scientific ignorance and lack of basic astronomy knowledge of the great majority of people who are drawn to the Paranormal, UFOs, etc.

JadeStar
"There are no "energy beings"

Well I'll agree that 90% of what new agers and old agers
say is pure garbage (in my experience), but I must call
you on the carpet there. It would be very small-minded
to claim that in this entire universe, it's not possible
for beings to exist if they don't concur with the
very limited amount of information we possess.

Could a seemingly non-material creature possess
intelligence, consume some form of foodstuff,
mate or fission or whatever, and have offspring
subject to fidelity and variation, thus being
subject to Darwinian evolution?

Of course silly.

Now, I understand that an 'energy being' would
be subject to the laws of thermodynamics,
entropy and what not.

No reason that an 'energy being' could not
beat the odds in the short term just like
organic beings do.

As a matter of fact, it's my observation that
'energy beings' outnumber organic beings
trillions to one.

Now these 'energy beings' are not angels
or demons or anything that humans
tend to understand..

Now am I off my rocker? Sure, maybe.

But don't tell an ex-nuclear engineer
who happens to be a native American
blood-line shaman, that energy
beings are just flat-out impossible.

I'd wager that some are tickling your
buttox as I speak. Don't let them
know you don't believe in them,
they will get cranky.

Tongue in cheek a bit? Yes.
Dead Serious? Yes.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear

JadeStar
"There are no "energy beings"

Well I'll agree that 90% of what new agers and old agers
say is pure garbage (in my experience), but I must call
you on the carpet there. It would be very small-minded
to claim that in this entire universe, it's not possible
for beings to exist if they don't concur with the
very limited amount of information we possess.

Could a seemingly non-material creature possess
intelligence, consume some form of foodstuff,
mate or fission or whatever, and have offspring
subject to fidelity and variation, thus being
subject to Darwinian evolution?

Of course silly.

Now, I understand that an 'energy being' would
be subject to the laws of thermodynamics,
entropy and what not.

No reason that an 'energy being' could not
beat the odds in the short term just like
organic beings do.

KPB

There's no beating physics.

Ask yourself what an "Energy Being" would consist of for one.

Energy is not something that interacts with itself like matter does. It can not form bonds, it can not form anything, by its nature it is formless.

There is just no getting around that. The reason life can exist at all is because matter exists. Matter even at its most fundamental level (say a Higgs boson) has form.

Were there no matter, there would be no life. Just energy.

But don't tell an ex-nuclear engineer
who happens to be a native American
blood-line shaman, that energy
beings are just flat-out impossible.

As an ex-nuclear engineer you should know why they are impossible. Because there is no evidence energy can form bonds as organic matter does.

May I ask what you did as a nuclear engineer when you were employed as one? It seems odd you'd argue this.

If you want to believe in "energy beings" as some part of your religion that's fine. But there is no science to support any such thing can exist.

The level of ignorance on this site is sometimes astounding... why does everything in the universe Have to be based on earths model? Is it not possible something, somewhere is different or beyond our current undrrstanding Of life and the universe?

Just because it took Earth so many million years to obtain the required building blocks to form simple life, does not mean all other potential planets followed the same.

Perhaps the young cluster was bombarded with life giving elements 10x of what Earth got... who knows.

There's been many extermination events on earth. Without these we would be much more advanced then we are now

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


No point in arguing logic with make believe, took me 2 secs to come up with a solution to your logical argument.

They are advanced enough to have colonies and those stars are just their current "home".

See how quick someone could come up with bs to justify it... Tends to be a waste of time with the more "out there" ideologies.

Eta: you can see the lengths in this thread people will go to justify the view point they hold, not even thinking of a simple answer, but instead throwing out all we know about physics, and organic chemistry to grasp at straws.

Yeah, it's perfectly feasible. Life does not happen as we curently think it does. We're still discovering new life on this planet. Science doesn't have all the answers or all the facts. They are still discovering about comets and that not all comets are the same. Life could have developed elsewhere in a different way to how we think it does. They could have come from somewhere else and moved to the Pleides. Life and reality is not as scientists think.

reply to post by JadeStar


We are ''Energy beings''... all matter is ''frozen'' energy anyway.

furthermore life elsewhere doesn't need to be carbon-based organisms as on earth.
we are too primitive to give straight answers, everything is possible...

But when physics supports a multi-verse, string theory, Michio Kaku stuff......what's not possible in this dimension may indeed be possible in the next....and IT IS outside our scope because we cannot even comprehend the theoretical fourth dimension yet....but we're slowly showing with mathematics that it can indeed exist (actually it's something like 11 dimensions I think).

Pacific Rim, inter-dimensional (they didn't come from another planet, they came from another dimension.)
Monsters Inc., inter-dimensional (monsters who use fear to feed and survive and manifest in the dark)
Is Thor from another dimension or another planet? It's never made clear but both the movie Thor and The Avengers give the impression that it maybe not just extra-terrestrial.

We're playing with the ideas. They may be more than ideas.

reply to post by tanka418


Just a thought maybe it's their home now but not their "hometown'. Pure speculation based on if they have space travel capabilities.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Your relying on logical "Science" allows you to virtually deny aliens from anyplace. Saganism I call it.

Isn't it strange. We have over half a century of reports with much documentation from civilian and military from all over the globe that indicate that there are strange machines moving in our atmosphere and even landing on our soil.

And guess what, Science, with a big "S" has yet to tell us anything about that phenomena other than to ignore, dismiss and hide from the larger issue of what all of those reports--even just one excellent one--means to humanity.

Why is it that the scientific space telescope Kepler can be assumed to be correct with its data which is interpreted to show that about 10 percent of the now known over 3000 earth-like planets it has investigated could possibly contain life? While all along startling data of the actual existence of life is constantly being noticed here on Earth and instantly considered rubbish by government and its hand-maiden Science. Why the break between the way Science want to take us and where normal clearly reality shows?

The obvious answer is that the Earth's populace must be brought up to proper state of awareness and understanding under an appropriate level of control before the news can be released.

And you know, the stumbling problem isn't educating the average world citizen about ETs being here and now, it is about education the entire Scientific community, from the very top to the bottom, to accept that it is the laggard. Of course, being that big government controls most all science in one fashion or another these days, it isn't any wonder that Science will be the last to acknowledge that UFOs are real. How strange.

reply to post by benrl


"OMG He said it, he actually said it" - kids movie EPIC, about beings who exist in another dimension

Romuloxreturns
reply to post by tanka418

 

Just a thought maybe it's their home now but not their "hometown'. Pure speculation based on if they have space travel capabilities.

The Pleiades as already stated is far too young. Though some would like to think that maybe a colony, actually that might be possible, but for a couple of things.

1. At 150 million years the planetary environment is not stable. It took Earth over half a billion years to become stable enough for a solid crust to form. It took several 10's of millions (at least) for Earth to form after Sol ignited.

2. All of the Pleiades stars are rather bright "B" class stars. It would kind of be lke you truing to live in an environment that was as bright as a "welders arc", perhaps not quite as bright, but, [I]blinding[/I] by your current standard.

These stars are incredibly bright; try this, get an LED flashlight, with many devices in it...try looking at it.

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@JadeStar

There is a large body of Myth that surrounds Sirius, Orion and the Pleiades. Most of the mythos of ancient Sumer, India, and Egypt concerns both Sirius and Orion. With that much myth there is very likely a truth there.

It is my opinion that Terrestrials have given "homes" to some ET's that are only "close"; kind of like: I ask ET where he's from, he points at the sky. In my ignorance, I see the star "Sirius". ET is now from Sirius, truth and reality be damned, ET told me...he pointed right at Sirius (well actually a near by star...but...)

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be too quick to dismiss myth. New age hogwash on the otherhand...

And, of course, none of the myths I'm speaking of originate with the "new age".

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Dimensions; some like to think there are multiple dimensions. One even spoke of a "theoretical 4th dimension".

Well, the fourth (4th) dimension isn't very theoretical, it is, and has been for at least 66 years, "Time".

Time is actually the 4th dimension. And according to Heim Physics there are only 8 dimensions (actually that's wrong too...incomplete), That is an extra "vector" on each of the 4 well known vectors. This actually kind of makes it difficult for someone / something to exist on one of the extra dimensions. Though it does make rather novel physics possible.

This whole "dimension" thing is just new age mis-designation. They be callin' stuff by the wrong name, giving it a very misleading nomenclature and definition. Though, One can almost get "Hermes" to go along.

Romuloxreturns
reply to post by tanka418

 

Just a thought maybe it's their home now but not their "hometown'. Pure speculation based on if they have space travel capabilities.

Nope sorry, stars are too young.

As I said, the stars and any planets they may have, do not have a stable environment yet.

Dr1Akula
reply to post by JadeStar

 

We are ''Energy beings''... all matter is ''frozen'' energy anyway.

furthermore life elsewhere doesn't need to be carbon-based organisms as on earth.
we are too primitive to give straight answers, everything is possible...

While this is sort of true, in reality it isn't going to work out that way...no math yet.

Earth has more than just carbon based life. There are life forms here that are as alien as the strangest extraterrestrial. There are what are termed "extremeophiles" (sp?); creatures that live in toxic environments, in underwater "steam vents", at the edge of Earth's atmosphere, are all quite "alien" when compared to our Cat. And, all from Earth.

And you actually think you will find something "new" out there? Sorry man, but, while there is certainly plenty new out there, y'all need t get a better understanding of Hermes...you have already seen most of what you will find.

memedoug
There's been many extermination events on earth. Without these we would be much more advanced then we are now

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 5-11-2013 by memedoug because: (no reason given)

Isn't that debatable? Without those events we may not actually have reached the stage we are at now.