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dlbott
No offense, it is a common problem with Americans. Most go to church on Sunday and give that amount to help feed the starving i Africa or wherever but never realize the person in the seat behind them is so in distress because they don't know how to feed their family.
YOU TELL ME how will they make 150 make it for a month for family of four, what do they give up, utilities, house payment, car insurance. So many suffer, and I mean suffer, in silence, they have swallowed every ounce of pride they had to ask the government for help. They seem to take all that you are, know everything about your life, it is humbling to go through the process and then to be told hey just make it with this you will be OK.
And to hear people say they can make it up somewhere, it just takes your spirit away. I know people who are hungry and there is hardly anything I can do. I have more than most but am raising a granddaughter and am right there with the rest. You pay your bills that must be paid and then there is no more for food and things like dentist. My granddaughter has the braces she needs but I have four broken teeth in my mouth and the wife needs work too.
She has no insurance yet and the free help in rural America is not so good. We know the battle these people are fighting to survive and they are good hard working god fearing people who don't want hand outs. You go and tell that family of four how to Make it with 100 to 150 for whole month.
ldyserenity
Truly that is not helping what they need to do is starve these people...the ones who truly need help may have to suffer, but in the grand picture I can see no other way to fix this severely broken system then to pull the darn plug, I'm sorry I have to say it, but it's the only way I see as actually weeding out the garbage from our midst.edit on 3-11-2013 by ldyserenity because: to add
Xtrozero
ldyserenity
Truly that is not helping what they need to do is starve these people...the ones who truly need help may have to suffer, but in the grand picture I can see no other way to fix this severely broken system then to pull the darn plug, I'm sorry I have to say it, but it's the only way I see as actually weeding out the garbage from our midst.edit on 3-11-2013 by ldyserenity because: to add
I can buy EBT cards 30 cents on the dollar, or less..... If I had a family of 4 and I was on the program I would buy the crack user's card with a little cash and subsidize real food for my family real cheap....
marg6043
reply to post by ldyserenity
One thing I have noticed in my neck of the woods is that the children that are in very bad environment, extreme poverty, and have health problems due to mothers that are dependent of drugs or born to them, are left to be dealt with by the families.
But when the children are healthy and from a clean environment but that become targets to the services they have no problem removing them.
This bring the issue of race, in many instances children from black background are not view the same as children from any other racial background.
I always believe that we should help those that are in need and I have done my fair share of helping but the waste and abuse by those that are lifetime welfare recipients takes away from those that needs the programs the most.
The solution the government have is to punish everybody regardless, or reward them, because is not resources and an neither manpower to address each single case base on their priority of needs.
Welfare has become one of those mammoth programs that nobody knows what to do with it, the easier way is to just keep throwing money to it and then claim that they are helping.
Because after all is a political tool.
ldyserenity
I've spent time late night fishing to feed my family without a license to fish and even told the gaming authority why, guess what they left us to it! They let us fish to feed our family even though we have no licenses. We provided. As well, I know tshtf soon so I want to get bows and arrows and start hunting. Here you can hunt on family or your own property without a game license. We have wild turkey at some family's homes. So I'd be in my glory I love turkey a lot more than fish!!!edit on 3-11-2013 by ldyserenity because: the not he lol
ldyserenity
I think anytime government is involved, we end up getting screwed to the core. I used to think that it wouldn't self regulate, but I now think that I was wrong.
Xtrozero
ldyserenity
I think anytime government is involved, we end up getting screwed to the core. I used to think that it wouldn't self regulate, but I now think that I was wrong.
An that is the problem with Government, there is no accountability. If you are a private business you have accountability or you disappear. If you are a private food bank you know each and every can of food, and that food passes from hand to hand with total involvement. Not some debit card that gets credited every month.
Xtrozero
dlbott
No offense, it is a common problem with Americans. Most go to church on Sunday and give that amount to help feed the starving i Africa or wherever but never realize the person in the seat behind them is so in distress because they don't know how to feed their family.
Do you actually go to church? Is this something you witness every Sunday? I don't go to church but I do know though my involvement with my friends that do that most put a lot of effort into their communities, including food and clothing.
YOU TELL ME how will they make 150 make it for a month for family of four, what do they give up, utilities, house payment, car insurance. So many suffer, and I mean suffer, in silence, they have swallowed every ounce of pride they had to ask the government for help. They seem to take all that you are, know everything about your life, it is humbling to go through the process and then to be told hey just make it with this you will be OK.
YOU TELL ME what did we do before 1972 when the federal food stamps program started? First thing you need to realize is the Government doesn't care about you individually. They look at big numbers but do not have a clue who you are.
Also, the food program is to offset the cost of food, not to pay for all food. Your little example above seems to be lacking one point that someone needs to work, and that isn't even correct in many states where welfare exceeds many people's work pay.
And to hear people say they can make it up somewhere, it just takes your spirit away. I know people who are hungry and there is hardly anything I can do. I have more than most but am raising a granddaughter and am right there with the rest. You pay your bills that must be paid and then there is no more for food and things like dentist. My granddaughter has the braces she needs but I have four broken teeth in my mouth and the wife needs work too.
You know people who are hungry? THEN FEED THEM!! I do. Buy them a 50 pound bag of rice or beans, case of can veggies or something, basic food is not that hard to afford. BTW where do you live? Do you know that if you and your wife went to a dentist in Mexico you can get great dental work done for about 20% of the cost of the typical copay of 50% of the bill? A crown cost me 500 dollars for my copay, one in Mexico is around 100 dollars and just as good.
She has no insurance yet and the free help in rural America is not so good. We know the battle these people are fighting to survive and they are good hard working god fearing people who don't want hand outs. You go and tell that family of four how to Make it with 100 to 150 for whole month.
I'm missing your point on the 100 to 150 a month? Are you saying that is all they get? Nothing more comes into the home but that?
Once again, sad story I agree, but they have a better chance of doing better within their own community and not with handouts from the Government. We should go back to Government food stores where they give real food basics instead of EBT cards. The waste and fraud of those cards could feed all the hungry in America 10 times over.
So let me tell you a story about Government....
In Portland they had a great program where leftover food from about 50 restaurants/hotels was given to soup kitchens to feed the poor/homeless about 3 times a week. The City shut it down stating it didn't meet regulations....like eating out of a garbage can does...
YOUR GOVERMENT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU! They want you dependent on them, when churches and social minded people feed their community the Government looses that control, and they don't like that. Now they can use your EBT card as fear...vote for me or you will lose your free money etc... The OP already has that attitude deep in their post....