Celebrated Physician: Fukushima has humanity “on brink of a possible worldwide nuclear holocaust�

From the OP….

A Stanford study has shown that all PBFT caught off the West Coast of California had 10 times the usual amount of radioactive cesium present prior to the Fukushima event in March 2011.

The fact the source can’t even spell “caesium” right kind of indicates that this is not peer-reviewed science, rather it’s a scientist who’s faced no peer-review because Dr Stephen Hosea is well known for profiting from alarmism & lies (none of his his lectures are non-profit).

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Even if his quoted study is were not lying (which it is as it doesn't even qualify as a study) that would be barely detectable levels of caesium jumping to barely detectable levels! Because (as a real nuclear expert) I know caesium 137 has a half-life of (at most) 30.2 years (other isotopes are even shorter lived). Meaning there is virtually none in this 4.5 billion year old planet so Dr Stephen Hosea is being less than truthful in saying levels have jumped 10 times since fukushima, because there is no equipment that could possibly have measured the low ocean levels prior to Fukushima.

It’s sure sign that an argument is lost whenever it resorts to out-right lies and deceptions. What a shame for anti-nuclear people they couldn’t stick to the truth? But guess that would be spoiling all their favorite "end of their world stories". It's complete bs and it's just a shame so much of ATS doesn't do their own research-thinking before flagging a topic they evidently know next to nothing about.

crankyoldman
This guy should be seen as a planetary traitor - where was this concern 2.5 years ago? Anyone, and I mean anyone, who had ANY information or influence in this arena and did not speak up 1 hour after it happened is a planetary traitor.

I really mean that. The pocket protector scumbags who failed to keep the public discourse after hour 1 are planetary traitors. The fact the nearly all were to afraid of loosing their jobs to speak up loudly and often are guilty of selling out humanity for a few more years of paychecks.
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I sure HEAR ya! Two weeks in I was asking those I knew what they thought could be done and I either got a "They'll handle it. It's happened before." or a blank stare.

On forum I used frequent, a physicist friend that I liked and respected (and still do) wrote a long post about the way that the least educated in the nuclear field were the ones ringing the "fire bell". As you said, 2.5 years in his explanations about heavy elements, air currents and the size of the Pacific don't comfort me any more now than they did then.

This is a disaster of Biblical proportion but the fact that the CUSA has reactors of the same make in the double digits might be a large part of why it has gotten minimal press.

humpty dumpty,,,
u know the German's were actually the first ones, too split old humpty,,

maybe i would be inviting the German Delegation as well.
As the Americans.
opps
wrong thread,, but, whatever.

Dianec
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I'm one of the frogs who feel it, and it isn't because of doom talk. I have realized it for a few years now. But how do we get out of the pot or how can we turn off the stove? We can't. We are forced to hope TPTB make the right choices and adapt.

I disagree slightly, although it does seem as if we can not escape the 'pot of boiling water'.

We can get out of the 'pot of boiling water' through teamwork, helping each other escape to safety. The problem in this scenario is establishing any meaningful teamwork, since people don't want to spend time on something they don't believe in. In order to succeed, we will need the large majority involved in the solution. At this point, that seems highly unlikely - at least until the situation is beyond the point of no return.

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This is a disaster of Biblical proportion but the fact that the CUSA has reactors of the same make in the double digits might be a large part of why it has gotten minimal press.

Get real. Your fear of nuclear reactors is based on a fear of radiation at rediculously low levels. Yes, large amounds of radiation will make you sick or even kill you, but so will many other things. Radiation from heat will kill you, but we don't ban fire, you just don't stand too close. A molten reactor core won't kill you if you don't stand too close. Ingesting gasoline will kill you, or possibly give you cancer if you get it on your hands, or kill you if it explodes, but we don't ban gasoline. We take precautions and treat it with respect, as we have to do with nuclear radiation. You have to realise that it is the oil/coal/gas corporations that are ruining the planet, peoples health, while keeping us all poor so we can drive or heatour houses, and that it is the carbon corporations who are promoting the fear of nuclear, and blowing events like Fukushima out of all proportion.

Some radiation figures nobody seems to worry about. And don't tell me "oh, thats natural radiation, it's OK, its man made radiation that kills", as you will just make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Grand Central Station, NYC: 120 mrem for employees
Its granite walls have a high uranium content.
Brazil Nuts:
This is the world's most radioactive food due to high radium concentrations 1000-times that of average foods.
The US Capitol Building in Washington DC:
This building is so radioactive, due to the high uranium content in its granite walls, it could never be licensed as a nuclear power reactor site.

Then look at some scientific studies:

Effects of Cobalt-60 Exposure on Health of Taiwan Residents Suggest New Approach Needed in Radiation Protection

The results of this study strongly suggest that whole-body chronic irradiation, in the dose rate range that the apartment residents received, caused no symptomatic adverse health effects, such as radiation sickness, or the increased cancer or increased congenital disease that are predicted by ICRP theories. On the contrary, those who were exposed had lower incidences of cancer mortality and congenital malformations.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

LESS cancer and illness has also beeen noted in SCIENTIFIC studies in India, China, Brazil and Iran where background radiation is much higher than anyone at Fukushima was exposed to. Doesn't that make you wonder about who is telling the truth?

Radiation up to even what we think of as high levels is good for you! The doctors won't tell you this, people might start curing themselves of many diseases, can't have that. And it may increase lifespans, the PTB definitely do not wan THAT! So keep breathing all that air pollution from fossil fuels, and get good and sick, your doctor will thank you greatly. Keep giving all your money to the oil companies so they can get rich by keeping you poor, and keep wallowing in self pity and fear of the only energy source that could provide clean, cheap and SAFE energy for a long time to come, just beacause you don't want to take the time to do some serious research. Read "Radiation and Reason" for a start.

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i seen a 14 year old kid,,develope a Pancreatic Cancer Test,,,that works.
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(,that Cancer Researchers should be doing with the BILLIONS,,in research money,,spent,,)

same principal,,, as a Diabetic Test,,,using Carbon Nano tubes,,and a drop of blood,, built it in his garage,,parts from Radio Shack.

ya,,no one knows.

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"Radiation up to even what we think of as high levels is good for you! The doctors won't tell you this, people might start curing themselves of many diseases, can't have that. "


that is up there with the stupidest thing i have ever read in my life.

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"blowing events like Fukushima out of all proportion. ",,well pretty sure i know what it is that you r blowing,,

CornShucker

crankyoldman
This guy should be seen as a planetary traitor - where was this concern 2.5 years ago? Anyone, and I mean anyone, who had ANY information or influence in this arena and did not speak up 1 hour after it happened is a planetary traitor.

I really mean that. The pocket protector scumbags who failed to keep the public discourse after hour 1 are planetary traitors. The fact the nearly all were to afraid of loosing their jobs to speak up loudly and often are guilty of selling out humanity for a few more years of paychecks.
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I sure HEAR ya! Two weeks in I was asking those I knew what they thought could be done and I either got a "They'll handle it. It's happened before." or a blank stare.

On forum I used frequent, a physicist friend that I liked and respected (and still do) wrote a long post about the way that the least educated in the nuclear field were the ones ringing the "fire bell". As you said, 2.5 years in his explanations about heavy elements, air currents and the size of the Pacific don't comfort me any more now than they did then.

This is a disaster of Biblical proportion but the fact that the CUSA has reactors of the same make in the double digits might be a large part of why it has gotten minimal press.

This is a shocking response. "they'll handle it" who are the they - the same ones who created the problem? It wasn't the quake, or the water that caused the problem but a design flaw that was known. "They" indeed. The "they" keep speaking to things like, "well it is less then the sun gives us" or, "there was way more radiation from the bombs we tested" and they say this as if this is some sort of comfort or justification. I grasp the mentality of someone who equates things in this way. Doctors are screwed up from the same mind control - they won't take the treatments using radiation that they prescribe for their patients and see no problem with this.

The planet, the water, the people on it are living things, things that do NOT deserve to be turned into a radioactive experiment by folks who can say, "eh, when it becomes and issue I'll be dead" or "gee, who on the earth would come after a cardigan wearing teacher at Stanford if this all goes bad?"

They, and I do mean everyone in the field, made a mess they cannot clean up and I don't see with a shovel and a radiations suit working to fix any of it. In fact, the encourage the hiring of disposable workers, low IQ and very poor laborers to fix it. While they work very hard to distance themselves from the planetary mess they made and speak in vague, esoteric, stupefying terms to make it all seem fine. shun them now and ESPECIALLY after detonation. Make sure no nuclear scientist gets anything they need after detonation.

We're all gonna die!!!

Oh wait a minute, we're all going to die someday anyway...

But I could think of better ways to go then being mutated and dying of God alone knows how many forms of cancer and radiation poisoning.

Phage if you are keeping tabs on Fukushima, what say you?

Celebrated by whom?

Warning - Linked story in OP contains no actual facts.

Funny, I've been trying to raise awareness of this whole Fukushima ongoing disaster for 6months now and so few people are willing to listen.

It's amazing, the effect that the TV has on people, once it's been on TV a bit, then it's an acceptable piece for social discussion.

No doom porn necessary, because of this clusterfnck directly unloading itself into the earths circulatory system, the effects are going to be very very long term.

Dianec

okyouwin
I don't know, I just read a piece in Forbes that says the radiation leaked each day is equal the radiation present in the in the number of bananas consumed each day.

So relax it ain't that bad.

Not to get off topic, but has anyone considered that the elevation of consciousness for humanity or the ascension to a higher dimension, expected by some, may require a more radioactive environment, and the ones in charge are just making that happen. The ones that survive have just advanced.

I've seen this banana comparison over the last year or so too but this does not even make sense. We're talking irradiated bananas (not organic), and that would mean the radioactivity stopped once they were irradiated. Throwing a bunch of bananas in the ocean is a secondary radiation - would probably cause some bubbles due to decomposition. I just don't see how this can be compared. But it is the story with the biggest play down for sure.

I don't know to much about it but according to the piece the radiation in bananas comes from the potassium in the banana. Of course it is quite a few bananas he is talking about. I think it's 47 billion.

Don't get me wrong, I think nuclear power is a troublesome thing. It seems we take quite a few precautions in the construction and maintenance to make sure this radiation doesn't get out. So I cant' believe it's good for you.

I always thought the decay rate of radio active material was quite a long time, but I caught one post by a nuclear expert here that suggests we shouldn't worry about that.

Is fukushima the beginning of the end? I doubt it. But hundreds of fukushima's might not be pretty.

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Observer 1 Thank you for the positive news about Graphene. This could be added to the hundreds of tanks of radioactive waste water. Wouldn't it be safer to store the waste water in an oil tanker which could move out of the way of strong storms, and be less vulnerable to earthquakes? Will radioactive water freeze or is it exothermic? As a side note looks like it's time to ban leaf blowers which re suspend particles in the air.

[ California is the breadbasket for much of America,. Really?? and how much food does California produce compared to Kansas,Nebraska and the rest of the Breadbasket of America.I know that Kansas itself produces enough wheat for 6 loaves of bread for EVERY person on this planet every year,same for Nebraska too

LittleBlackEagle
that is up there with the stupidest thing i have ever read in my life.

What more would you expect from one who is clearly infected with shillism? Whether it be for a paid salary, or just having their head stuck in the ground is no matter. Fukushima without a doubt is destroying life, it just takes years until we humans will see the effects.

However what matters now, is how can we in the World unite the most intelligent minds in order to solve this crisis that without a doubt is going to have serious effects on the marine life of the pacific, as well as we Humans who consume a lot of that marine life.

Any mindless liar who tells you anything different, is either being paid, is mentally ill, doesn't care about current or future life on this planet, or is just plain evil. ~$heopleNation

Everyone seems to be forgetting one important thing,...

It isnt "reminding us",.. of anything.

It is Remodeling us.

In 20 years we will never be the same, globally.

This might be a real ignorant question to ask, but what happened in Japan really going to effect the WHOLE world as a whole? I can see Japan and it's surrounding areas, but EVERYONE?

Just a thought.....

There are approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water in the oceans. 1 cubic kilometer of water contains 1 trillion liters of water. Therefore there are approximately 1,300,000,000,000,000,000,000 liters of water in the oceans, which is 1.3 sextillion liters.

To get to gallons, there are 3.78541178 liters in 1 gallon. Doing the math, that means there are 343,423,668,428,484,681,262 gallons of water in the oceans.

That's 343 quintillion gallons, or put another way, 343 billion BILLION gallons.

That's a lot of water.

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That would be like me droping a drop of acid in lake Superior. Is it really going to fudge that much up in the big scheme of things?

Just asking...

I moved to Southern California a little over a year ago from the east coast. In the past year my hair has thinned considerably. I think it is Fukushima ... or maybe because I am 40. I'm not sure yet ...

Liberal1984
From the OP….
The fact the source can’t even spell “caesium” ....

Dr Stephen Hosea is being less than truthful in saying levels have jumped 10 times since fukushima, because there is no equipment that could possibly have measured the low ocean levels prior to Fukushima.

Trolling or actually serious? You do know in the U.S. we call it "humor" and not "humour" right?

Aluminum/Aluminium
Pediatrician/Paeditrician
Cesium/Caesium

Also the levels of existing CESIUM were very detectable in the Pacific before March 2011.

They were very very low though, and 10x that level is still VERY low and apparently not considered dangerous at all.

Fish that have been caught recently off the eastern coast of Honshu however are another story and some have been even 3x Japan's (already raised) "safe" limits.