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soulwaxer
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
This is indeed excellent news!
What has puzzled me most about the Snowden leaks is why the info is coming out in tiny bits, almost daily. Imagine the much greater impact on public opinion if everything we know now had come out at once. Anyone have some perspective on that?
soulwaxer
Rectorate
This man will pay with his life by the hands of the Oligarchy eventually. If he does this, do not forget it and do not forgive the perpetrators.
madmac5150
I have been trying hard to stay "on the fence" when it comes to Mr. Snowden. My experience as a SNCO in the USAF involved, at times, matters of national security... I was a security officer. It was my job.
NEVER, however, was I privy to matters that involved spying on our civilian populace...
If I were placed in Mr. Snowden's shoes, so to speak, I would guarantee one thing...
My disclosure would be for the good of my fellow patriots.... and INSANELY heartbreaking at the same time...
Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Paine, Franklin... I weep for what we have lost... S&F
edit on 1-11-2013 by madmac5150 because: Because of the wonderful things he does....edit on 1-11-2013 by madmac5150 because: ISON is the DEVIL!!!!
Donkey_Dean
Free societies and actions hidden under “a veil of secrecy” are not compatible. Snowden is a hero as are you.
boncho
Okay, I'm the first person to call people nutters but if he actually makes it to Germany without getting "lost" then something is going on. Like this is all song and dance for something.
What happens, world leaders all come together and complain about being spied on so they make up with hugs and a one world government?
Seriously. Something smells odd. Why did he even make it to Hong Kong/Moscow.
And why did Russia not say anything when a Canadian Naval Spy who was sentenced for leaking information about this program to them, before Snowden released it?
(RE:Other Thread)
edit on 1-11-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)
We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency. But the revelations turn out to have been prepared with a view to shaping the public consciousness in a way which is advantageous to the intelligence agency involved. At the same time, gullible young people can be duped into supporting a personality cult of the leaker, more commonly referred to as a “whistleblower.” A further variation on the theme can be the attempt of the sponsoring intelligence agency to introduce their chosen conduit, now posing as a defector, into the intelligence apparatus of a targeted foreign government. In this case, the leaker or whistleblower attains the status of a triple agent.
Snarl
Donkey_Dean
Free societies and actions hidden under “a veil of secrecy” are not compatible. Snowden is a hero as are you.
Snowden is nobody's hero. He may be admired by some who are misguided and others who are ideologically unchangeable. I come up just short of calling him a traitor, but there is no doubt he is unworthy of trust.
Let him rot in Mother Russia ... and good riddance.
For those of you who can't get it through your thick skulls, this is what Snowden accomplished:
You will now never be rid of NSA trying to root out any 'suspicions' they can find in your home. You wanna thank Snowden for something ... thank him for that.
Donkey_Dean
Yes he is a hero. Bravery and Freedom go hand and hand. Can you imagine the immense fear he confronted yet he continued on a path in direct defense of the Constitution of this land. He is no traitor he is a patriot of the highest caliber! I am certain he could have provided information that would have cost lives but he did not. He simply spoke the truth against clear violation of laws we Americans have held dear for hundreds of years. He just happened to find himself in a land where truth is treason!
At the end of the day this is a democracy and the NSA will not stand. Those who oust the wrong doing are the heroes here not the FN Gestapo I mean NSA!
You cant have it both ways, you took an oath to defend the Constitution not to keep with secret police and those who would destroy the Liberty and Freedom your fore fathers fought and died for!
Freedom is not free but paid for with the blood of patriots like Snowden!
Snarl
Donkey_Dean
Yes he is a hero. Bravery and Freedom go hand and hand. Can you imagine the immense fear he confronted yet he continued on a path in direct defense of the Constitution of this land. He is no traitor he is a patriot of the highest caliber! I am certain he could have provided information that would have cost lives but he did not. He simply spoke the truth against clear violation of laws we Americans have held dear for hundreds of years. He just happened to find himself in a land where truth is treason!
At the end of the day this is a democracy and the NSA will not stand. Those who oust the wrong doing are the heroes here not the FN Gestapo I mean NSA!
You cant have it both ways, you took an oath to defend the Constitution not to keep with secret police and those who would destroy the Liberty and Freedom your fore fathers fought and died for!
Freedom is not free but paid for with the blood of patriots like Snowden!
Brother, believe it or not we are on the same team here. We have a minor difference in perspective is all.
No matter which way you cut it, Snowden is clearly in the wrong. I 'might' be able to get behind him had he just stood up instead of running, but instead, he is guilty of violating an oath of secrecy or he is guilty of treason. He went from a (grudgingly admitted limited) win to a lose-lose situation.
I agree that it's not Snowden's fault that the NSA knows what the inside of my butt-hole looks like (I hope they know what it tastes like too) ... but it wasn't his place blowing that whistle either. Were you really unaware of what the NSA was doing before Snowden made his play?
boncho
Okay, I'm the first person to call people nutters but if he actually makes it to Germany without getting "lost" then something is going on. Like this is all song and dance for something.
What happens, world leaders all come together and complain about being spied on so they make up with hugs and a one world government?
Seriously. Something smells odd. Why did he even make it to Hong Kong/Moscow.
And why did Russia not say anything when a Canadian Naval Spy who was sentenced for leaking information about this program to them, before Snowden released it?
(RE:Other Thread)
edit on 1-11-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)
HoboHumpinSloboBabe
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
"Edward Snowden ready to testify!"?
Hallelujah!