The Government Assassination of a kid from Denver.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


...and people wonder why Americans have such a bad reputation.

You vote them in, you take responsibility for their actions by being inactive.

Glad they're killing children of people that are accused of being terrorists with no evidence to back up the claim. The US government wouldn't last 2 seconds on ATS with those stupid claims...except for the 'Murica crowd. *Blech*

HawkeyeNation
You say there is no proven evidence of ties to terrorism but that is untrue. Unfairly to the young adult he was tied to his father. The US gov't doesn't have to have proof of anything but they likely believe his son may have been given information so they likely just eliminated him. It sucks but is an unfortunate reality.

Do you realize how flimsy this is? Because he knew a terrorist, he's automatically a terrorist too?

overratedpatriotism
I think drone strikes are horrendous. They cause way to many civilian casualties. I also think we have no business to be there in the middle east to begin with. As much as some people would like to believe it. Our military is not a bunch of bomb crazy cowboys blowing up everything that moves. A lot more goes into planning even a single strike than most people can imagine. And even then things still go wrong with these strikes.

That said, I think a 16 year old is fully capable of pulling a trigger and committing acts of terrorism.

As harsh as this may sound, I couldn't care less if the boy was an all American boy who enjoyed hip-hop, watched baseball, and had facebook page with a profile picture showing a young happy boy with a thick mop of curly brown hair that his cousins often teased him about.

I only care what he did, not what he looked like... Also, a birth certificate only proves to me where he was born not what organizations he is affiliated with. At least that is not on mine...

I think the problem with this particular case, and many others, is transparency. If it was a mistake and he was in the wrong place at the right time fess up. If he was targeted for a reason present the reason.

edit on 30-10-2013 by overratedpatriotism because: (no reason given)

I fully agree, if this 'boy' went over and was brainwashed to believe that killing people that is not of the Islamic faith he got what he deserved (that is if he indeed was with other terrorists and was training to be one) we have far too many so-called American citizens that has families in the middle east that use them to come back over here and abroad to kill innocent people!
To put pictures of him up when he was a tiny child will have an affect on people, remember even Bin Laden was a cute little boy at one time! If he was completely innocent and was not destined to become a terrorist then I feel bad for him but he should have distanced himself from those know terrorists (yes, even his family) and stayed out of harms way!
I also agree that drone strikes are NOT the way to eliminate our enemies, it is Obama's preferred way to do it rather than putting 'boots on the ground' as it makes him look less 'involved' when doing what he criticized Bush of doing! If you are going to take out threats to America (and other non-Muslims) and minimize collateral damage, you need troops on the ground!

So an underage, brown skin, American citizen was murdered by the Obama administration. Self defense isnt even a question. This was straight up murder. I wonder if we'll hear so much as a peep from Al Sharpton and the NAACP.

benrl

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Now is the time for outrage, Now is the time for protest, before its too late.

Remember where we are, remember those list of who qualifies as a terror threat.

Constitutionalist, people who talk of liberty, preppers, conspiracy people, etc.

WE may reach a time where our outrage over this means we are a target of it, NOW is the time to write every rep we have DEMANDING DUE process for every Citizen, where ever they are, no matter their crime.

Period.

ETA: might help people get it...

First they came for the Terrorist,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Terrorist.

Then they came for the Whistle Blower Hacker,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Whistle Blower Hacker.

Then they came for the journalist and reporters,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a journalist or a reporter.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

edit on 30-10-2013 by benrl because: (no reason given)

Well said sir.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Canada man......Canada

reply to post by IsntLifeFunny


You used the word 'seriously'.

How about you get serious now and discuss the idea in the OP instead of attacking the spelling.

Killing the father was as much of an outrage against the Bill of Rights as the killing of the son. The government didn't separate them as enemies, and neither should we separate them as subjects of the same Bill of Rights. The father only 'seems' more deserving of "American justice"

What is amazing to me is the system doesnt have checks and balances. When a president or politician passes legislation that is against the law, international laws, and their own constititution, why don't the people bring this up, and the police make arrests.

THAT would be checks and balances.

Unity_99
What is amazing to me is the system doesnt have checks and balances. When a president or politician passes legislation that is against the law, international laws, and their own constititution, why don't the people bring this up, and the police make arrests.

THAT would be checks and balances.

Those that have the power to right these wrongs.... our elected federal government officials and the appointed SCOTUS justices, not only fail to do anything about it.... they are the people that have MADE IT HAPPEN. They didn't just allow it to happen..... THEY MADE it HAPPEN.

This is why so many people talk of insurrection today. We the people are the only protectors of our Constitution. We can't rely on our government to protect it when they actively undermine it.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

So sick this, infuriating and heartbreaking.The US government is a terrorist itself!

Raxoxane
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So sick this, infuriating and heartbreaking.The US government is a terrorist itself!

When they are conducting operations like this it is very difficult to disagree with that statement

I really hope that this grandfather gets somewhere with his legal case against the US Gov.

I doubt it though

Raxoxane

 

So sick this, infuriating and heartbreaking.The US government is a terrorist itself!

The US government is "terrorism" itself. 99% of the terrorist(ic) activities throughout the world are actively engendered by US terror policies aka "The War on Terror," which of itself is the creator of terrorism.

2 conditions have been met that make most of us potential Abdulrahman Al Alawki's. -

1) Clearance by the FAA of airspace for 30,000 drones over the US.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

2) The FBI declaring anyone who questions the 9/11 OS as "potential terrorists".
www.abovetopsecret.com...


You have everything short of a neon sign hanging from you saying "KILL ME, I"M A TERRORIST TOO".
Too bad the 9/11 Commission failed so miserably at answering the most basic of questions.

The murder of Abdulrahman is only exceptional in that he was an American citizen.
Aside from that he was as guilty as a few thousand others hit by predator drones for the sake of _________? - Arms sales? Intimidation? Weapons testing? I really don't know why. Maybe you can help me fill in the blanks.

Unity_99
What is amazing to me is the system doesnt have checks and balances. When a president or politician passes legislation that is against the law, international laws, and their own constititution, why don't the people bring this up, and the police make arrests.

THAT would be checks and balances.

A huge part of the problem is that under Cheney and Rumsfeld they turned the Joint Special Operations Command into a paramilitary branch of the executive. They avoid oversight and checks through a new post-9/11 organization that turned JSOC from a tier one special forces sub-command under SOCOM into the most efficient and secret hunter killer intelligence outfit the world has ever known. They bypassed oversight and congress though this new beast they created, they are not subject to oversight, congressional approval or in some instances even direct presidential authorization.

If you compare the Clinton administrations handling of targeted killing (assassinations) to that of the Bush and Obama era the difference is staggering. Clinton's views were the exact opposite he was almost too cautious authorizing it as a absolute lats resort for a handful of suspects and only in extraordinary cases with maximum intelligence (right down the the type of lock on a door). In a little over a decade that very cautious doctrine has been replaced with one which essentially gives JSOC and the CIA the power to target anyone their intelligence (often flawed) believes to be a threat with zero accountability to anyone.

This will continue until someone dismantles the doctrine created by Rumsfeld and Chaney and puts a end to the use of fluid and kinetic kill lists. Under the current system its possible for say Delta to conduct a targeted killing in Pakistan one night and the next day put a new guy on the kill list based on intelligence gathered in the raid. So the next day this new guy added to the list ends up getting shot up in Somalia by a drone all because he called his cousin in Pakistan last week. Then they send in their Somali proxies to confirm the kill and gather intelligence only to find out that the guy the killed was a doctor or whatever and was not a terrorist. This happens and no one is held accountable even though a innocent guy or in this case 16 year old American kid ends up dead because they have removed the very infrastructure which they used to be accountable to.

its a very dangerous doctrine that has been created under Bush and used to maximum effect under Obama.

Madness isn't the word for it. The government is killing innocent people while sitting in a recliner with 4-5 million dollar drones. They claim he is a terrorist the same intelligence that can't even get his age right. Just goes to show you the kind of rat brain idiots that are running this rat ship.

never mind. not worth it.