ITCCS: Eyewitness to 1987 ritual say's “I Saw Joseph Ratzinger Murder Little Girl”

FlyersFan
I"m calling HOAX on this one. Totally unreliable and the source is silly.

If you don't believe him then try these other sources. No smoke without fire, this is my last post on the subject..........

www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.washingtonpost.com...
www.osv.com...
www.globalresearch.ca...
www.telegraph.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...

If you still doubt then im afraid there's just no hope for you.

DATABASE OF PRIESTS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE
bishop-accountability.org...

I will leave you with this thought.....
Famous Roman Catholic Priest Blames Children For Their Rapes
thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

VALE

DrunkYogi

FlyersFan
I"m calling HOAX on this one. Totally unreliable and the source is silly.

If you don't believe him then try these other sources. No smoke without fire, this is my last post on the subject..........

www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.washingtonpost.com...
www.osv.com...
www.globalresearch.ca...
www.telegraph.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...

If you still doubt then im afraid there's just no hope for you.

DATABASE OF PRIESTS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE
bishop-accountability.org...

I will leave you with this thought.....
Famous Roman Catholic Priest Blames Children For Their Rapes
thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

VALE

Except that you make a very illogical leap. It is illogical to conclude that since some priests where caught in a horrific act that this lends credence to a story of ritual murder and satanic sacrifice by a former pope. One situation does not cause the other claim to be valid. Part of "defying ignorance" is to utilize critical thinking.

DrunkYogi
No smoke without fire,

- When dealing with propagandists and those with agendas and with tabloids ..... yes there is smoke without fire.

- Your sources are irrelevant to the subject matter of this thread. Those are other issues.

reply to post by DrunkYogi

If you don't believe him then try these other sources.

How is any of that about ritual murders by Pope Benedict?

Yes, there have been sexual abuses by priests in the past, that's not exactly breaking news. But none of that has anything to do with your OP, which says "I saw Joseph Ratzinger murder someone". Do you have any non-crazy source of evidence for that?

DrunkYogi
Well i guess everything's alright at the Vatican then. Kevin Annett is just a scammer. No priest pedophile scandals or homosexual scandals or prostitute scandals or dead bankers hanging from London Bridge scandals. Phew...........Cheers, i would have been worried if anyone else accused the Vatican of these practices. I'm glad it's just a nutty scammer!

Any thought's on Ratzinger or the Indian Massacre?

Be careful w/ matches around that strawman. No one is claiming that the Vatican is without blame or the scandals didn't occur. What people are saying is that Annett is a fraud, a conman and lacks any credibility.

Eric

DrunkYogi
Remember Annett was defrocked because of this. He was a Priest at the time. If he was still a Priest we would be encouraged to believe every word he say's.....now he's been defrocked (can't have a Priest blacken the Church eh!) he is supposed to be a monstrous a liar, a spinner of tales from the Devil himself. I mean just listen to yourself, wake up!

A couple of quick things:

1) Can you please link to your source for how, when and why Annett was defrocked?
2) He's not supposed to be a monstrous liar because he's been defrocked, he's a liar, conman and without credibility for the lies he's told and the scams he's run.

Your hatred of the Church (however well founded it might be) might have you losing your objectivity here.

Eric

EricD


Be careful w/ matches around that strawman. No one is claiming that the Vatican is without blame or the scandals didn't occur. What people are saying is that Annett is a fraud, a conman and lacks any credibility.

Eric

I cannot speculate on the motives of making a statement such as this. What I can say is if anyone has watched the documentary ‘Unrepentant: Kevin Annett And Canada's Genocide’ and not had their heart moved to tears, seen the sincerity of this man who has been persecuted and lost everything in a material sense including his family but gained everything in a spiritual sense, what more proof, documentation do you need?

Thank you DrunkYogi for this thread. I was aware to some degree of the genocide of the indigenous people of Canada and the transgressions of both churches but not to this degree. You have expanded my perceptions and for this I am humbly grateful. I too will not comment further.

Deny Ignorance~

reply to post by arosebyanyothername

I too will not comment further.

Typical.

Drive-by comment, praising a guy who has been demonstrated to have completely fabricated evidence, and claiming immunity to criticism.

Kevin Annett is a crackpot who diminishes First Nations issues and Roman Catholic abuses with his ludicrously moronic claims, and anyone who supports it is absolutely clueless.

arosebyanyothername

EricD


Be careful w/ matches around that strawman. No one is claiming that the Vatican is without blame or the scandals didn't occur. What people are saying is that Annett is a fraud, a conman and lacks any credibility.

Eric

I cannot speculate on the motives of making a statement such as this. What I can say is if anyone has watched the documentary ‘Unrepentant: Kevin Annett And Canada's Genocide’ and not had their heart moved to tears, seen the sincerity of this man who has been persecuted and lost everything in a material sense including his family but gained everything in a spiritual sense, what more proof, documentation do you need?

Thank you DrunkYogi for this thread. I was aware to some degree of the genocide of the indigenous people of Canada and the transgressions of both churches but not to this degree. You have expanded my perceptions and for this I am humbly grateful. I too will not comment further.

Deny Ignorance~

Thank you for your kind words Rose. I knew when i made the thread the attacks would start. It's like that old film TORA TORA TORA don't you think. It's always the same, every time information comes forward about the crimes of the Vatican (not just the alleged crimes stated by Annett) the detractors role out to defend the indefensible. The fact is this sorry excuse of a Church is on the verge of being exposed for what it is! A Roman subversion of the life of Jesus. A continuation of the Roman Emperor's power mixed with a Babylonian death cult. How some people are blind to this fact is utterly beyond me.

reply to post by DrunkYogi


That is incredibly self serving and bereft of intellectual honesty. NO ONE is trying to thwart discussion of actions by the RCC. There are many acts by members of the church that range from horrific to just offensive. Feel free to bring up any and all.

What people are finding fault with is Kevin Annett, a proven conman and liar.


Eric

EricD
reply to post by DrunkYogi

 

That is incredibly self serving and bereft of intellectual honesty. NO ONE is trying to thwart discussion of actions by the RCC. There are many acts by members of the church that range from horrific to just offensive. Feel free to bring up any and all.

What people are finding fault with is Kevin Annett, a proven conman and liar.


Eric

Remember this?

I'm happy to discuss any 'beefs' with Catholicism with the exception of one. I respectfully request that we leave out questions of pedophilia and Church cover-up of same. Why? Because there is no need for debate. It was and is heinous. In addition, it is covered in other threads. So, what are your thoughts on Catholicism?

You should, you wrote it? "So what are you thought's on Catholicism" WHAT! let's ignore the Child abuse.
"Because there is no need for debate" You can't just leave out Child Abuse and go forward with a debate on the Catholic Church. That's just insane. It would be incredibly self serving and bereft of intellectual honesty don't you think?

And did you even read the OP, the word claim is used three times. Annett's claims, not mine. And if i was to bring up any and all of the Vatican's crimes we would be here for a very long time!

bishop-accountability.org...

adjensen
reply to post by arosebyanyothername

 

I too will not comment further.

Typical.

Drive-by comment, praising a guy who has been demonstrated to have completely fabricated evidence, and claiming immunity to criticism.

Kevin Annett is a crackpot who diminishes First Nations issues and Roman Catholic abuses with his ludicrously moronic claims, and anyone who supports it is absolutely clueless.

That's a bit harsh on the Guy, let's not forget this wonderful comment by someone on ATS...

God helps you to love other people, even when you disagree with them or when they treat you shabbily.

www.ocoy.org...

DrunkYogi
That's a bit harsh on the Guy, let's not forget this wonderful comment by someone on ATS...

… and let's not forget that this thread is in regards to Pope Benedict having ritualistically murdered someone, not pedophilia or other issues associated with the Roman Catholic church.

I asked you in this post to provide evidence, from a credible source, regarding your claim in the OP that Benedict murdered a child, yet you have failed to do so. Are you admitting that you have no such evidence, and that the only reason that you're defending Annett and his crackpot organization is that you hate the church for other reasons, and you'd support anyone who was attacking it, for any reason?

DrunkYogi

NavyDoc

DrunkYogi

adjensen
The ITCCS is a joke organization that is nothing more than scammer Kevin Annett, who issues phony arrest warrants from his fake "Court of Common Law" for the Pope or the Queen of England, then when they don't show up for his non-legal trials, he declares it evidence of their guilt.

Utter rubbish. This, and every thread that promotes this certified kook, belongs in the Ludicrous Online Lies forum.

See Kevin Annett Must Be Stopped - BEING CRAZY IS NO EXCUSE FOR BAD BEHAVIOR for more information on Annett and the ITCCS.

Well i guess everything's alright at the Vatican then. Kevin Annett is just a scammer. No priest pedophile scandals or homosexual scandals or prostitute scandals or dead bankers hanging from London Bridge scandals. Phew...........Cheers, i would have been worried if anyone else accused the Vatican of these practices. I'm glad it's just a nutty scammer!

Any thought's on Ratzinger or the Indian Massacre?

There is no evidence that he was involved with the indian massacre or that there even was a massacre so it is rather difficult to discuss a non-event.

So did you watch the video? Did you hear the eyewitness account's?

I guess the Native Indians are just liars eh! Remember Annett was defrocked because of this. He was a Priest at the time. If he was still a Priest we would be encouraged to believe every word he say's.....now he's been defrocked (can't have a Priest blacken the Church eh!) he is supposed to be a monstrous a liar, a spinner of tales from the Devil himself. I mean just listen to yourself, wake up!

Have you even read half the stuff on here about ITCSS? It's only Annett that claims that was the reason he was defrocked. As another poster has pointed out, Annett can't even make up a statement right as he has he 'witness' see the murder in two different countries.

Is this the Indian massacre that allegedly had the Queen of England personally sacrfice children in Canada when she was documented to be in Windsor Castle England - heavily pregnant - at the time? Of course the ridiculous lack of research taken by this scammer meant he didn't even check the dates or her physical condition at the time, and no, none of the 'witnesses' even mentioned her being heavily pregnant because he was not intelligent enough to make his story credible to anyone except those that so desperately want to believe such BS.

reply to post by adjensen

… and let's not forget that this thread is in regards to Pope Benedict having ritualistically murdered someone, not pedophilia or other issues associated with the Roman Catholic church.

In my OP i included a video, did you watch it? It was included in the OP to be part of the discussion. Not to be ignored. Toos Nijenhus claims she was sexually assaulted by members of The catholic Church. By Pedophiles! It's all in the video in the OP.

I asked you in this post to provide evidence, from a credible source, regarding your claim in the OP that Benedict murdered a child, yet you have failed to do so. Are you admitting that you have no such evidence

What part of NOT MY CLAIMS do you not understand? Let me clarify for you THESE CLAIMS ARE NOT MINE!

and that the only reason that you're defending Annett and his crackpot organization is that you hate the church for other reasons, and you'd support anyone who was attacking it, for any reason?

I don't hate the Catholic Church. I don't hate anyone or anything. What i have is a disgust for people who perpetrate Pedophilia. If of course the claims are true or not, time will tell.

Jesus said: Mark 10:14 Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Luke 12:2 NIV. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

www.ocoy.org...

DrunkYogi
reply to post by adjensen

 

… and let's not forget that this thread is in regards to Pope Benedict having ritualistically murdered someone, not pedophilia or other issues associated with the Roman Catholic church.

In my OP i included a video, did you watch it?

No, I did not. I can't watch videos during the day and I don't watch them generally.

Toos Nijenhus claims she was sexually assaulted by members of The catholic Church. By Pedophiles! It's all in the video in the OP.

She also claims to have been raped by members of the British Royal Family, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and other global elites.

Now, which is more reasonable? That all of these wealthy, famous and powerful elites gathered in Holland to rape a four year old? Or that she's a nutter who is saying ridiculous things for attention? The fact that the only person who is promoting her is a crackpot who is a documented liar should be proof enough that there's absolutely nothing to her claims.

But, no, let's assume that she's sane, and Pope Benedict murdered some kids, because that's far more likely.

She also claims to have been raped by members of the British Royal Family, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and other global elites.

reply to post by adjensen


She's not the only one....

This new witness confirms the account of Toos Nijenhuis, a Dutch woman who went public on May 8 with her eyewitness account of similar crimes involving Ratzinger, Alfrink and Bernhard

itccs.org...

Now, which is more reasonable? That all of these wealthy, famous and powerful elites gathered in Holland to rape a four year old? Or that she's a nutter who is saying ridiculous things for attention? The fact that the only person who is promoting her is a crackpot who is a documented liar should be proof enough that there's absolutely nothing to her claims.

I hear you adjensen and of course i agree. The thing is with the child abuse scandals absolutely engulfing the Church and the Pope making statements about Pedophilia being normal and blaming it on society. It doesn't half make you wonder. They are not helping themselves are they?

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

''the context of these times.... There is a market in child pornography that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society."

www.livescience.com...

You should have a look a this wonderful site........www.ocoy.org...

DrunkYogi

She also claims to have been raped by members of the British Royal Family, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and other global elites.

reply to post by adjensen

 

She's not the only one....

This new witness confirms the account of Toos Nijenhuis, a Dutch woman who went public on May 8 with her eyewitness account of similar crimes involving Ratzinger, Alfrink and Bernhard

This "new witness" is unnamed, cited only by the non-credible ITCCS and supposedly says things that contradict Nijenhuis. Hardly credible.

I hear you adjensen and of course i agree. The thing is with the child abuse scandals absolutely engulfing the Church and the Pope making statements about Pedophilia being normal and blaming it on society. It doesn't half make you wonder. They are not helping themselves are they?

Here's what the Pope is reported to have said:

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, pedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than’ and a ‘worse than’. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

Let's see that in context, from his actual speech:

In order to resist these forces, we must turn our attention to their ideological foundations. In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children. This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist. The effects of such theories are evident today. (Source)

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Now, if you read that carefully, he didn't say that "pedophilia was normal", or that he thought "pedophilia was normal", he said that, for a time, society was acting like it was, and he was denouncing that fact. Was he right?

You tell me:

In May 1974, the Campaign for Homosexual Equality suggested a basic age of consent of 16, but 12 "in cases where a defendant could prove the existence of meaningful consent". In September 1974, the Sexual Law Reform Society proposed lowering the age of consent to 14, with the requirement that below the age of 18 the burden of proof that consent for sexual activities between the parties existed would be the responsibility of the older participant.

In 1976, the British political pressure group Liberty published a proposal advocating reducing the age of consent laws to 10 years of age, only when both individuals are younger than 14, with a close-in-age exemption of two years if one of the involved individuals is older than 14 but younger than 16. The report was signed by Harriet Harman, who later went on to become a prominent figure in government and deputy leader of the Labour Party. (Source)

Kinda sounds like he had a point, no?

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite


Thank you for dispelling lies with Truth,

God bless you for that,

on a funnier side note, I was reminded of those sensationalist "tabloids" in the supermarket checkouts of old, the "7 toed alien baby of Madonna comes out" or "big foot seen at local KFC", etc, I think these folks just figure if something sounds outrageous enough, then maybe enough people will pay a little money or donation to continue hearing about this things, so it's monetarily worth their time to keep the stories coming, even if it means publicly embarrasing themselves and being known as whack-a-doo's. Oh well,

Such is life, such is the human condition,

God bless

To me, this case doesn't seem legit.

However, the Vatican as a whole makes me sick.

Their entire history is anything but honorable.

It not for me to judge....but, if I was God I know where I would relocate hell.