Is "space-time" becoming more plastic and pliable, OR is it starting to come apart?

I am starting this as more of an "idea" thread than to try to posit a hypothesis... a theory or hypothesis is meant to be tested for validity... ideas, however, are meant to be kicked around and discussed.

Truth be told, there just isn't any quantifiable evidence; the anecdotal evidence, however, seems to be mounting. I have read many threads asking about "time-slips" (seemingly isolated evidence) or changes to the timeline in even bigger ways (how many threads have speculated that the globe itself has changed ie. has New Zealand moved closer to/ further away from Australia?).

Maybe we have entered a region of space with small fractures in space-time... or, maybe time itself is becoming more "plastic" and pliable?

Maybe the translations of the Mayan "prophecies" were wrong... it had been interpreted to mean "the end"; could it have really meant "things are gonna get a bit weird for awhile"?

I personally don't care for doom porn, so I am gonna stick with "things are gonna get weird"...

But, to placate the doom pornographers, could "space-time" be starting to come apart... are these time discrepancies just the tip of the proverbial iceberg? Has entropy finally caught up to our universe? Does our world end with a bang, or does it just cease to exist when "time runs out", so to speak?

Any ATSers out there care to speculate... to kick the ball around for awhile?

Any ideas you can add to the conversation are welcomed... pro or con. Ideas can spark amazing insights...

If you have comments to make in jest as you believe that this is just too ridiculous to think about... feel free... doesn't bother me at all, especially if the remarks are actually funny

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Recently, it has been announced that it has been experimentally proven that time itself is an emergent outcome of quantum entanglement.

The experiment showed that looking from "outside" of a 'toy universe', the view was of a static and unchanging (timeless) scenario, but by observing a small component within that 'toy universe' and thereby quantum entangling with it, the view showed differences arising between the universe as a whole and the observed part.

This then resolves the "problem of time" raised by the Wheeler-DeWitt equation but also means a redefinition of Minkowski spacetime and GR.

At least the old theories of spacetime are falling apart

I was also kicking around the idea of "bow shock"... ie. our Solar System is moving out of the more protective confines of our galaxy into more turbulent space... could this "bow shock" create ripples in space time as much as the "bow shock" off of a ship creates waves on the surface of the water...

I don't know if this is related to what you are saying, but time definitely seems to be moving at a faster pace.

I put it down to the well thought notion that it appears to get faster as you get older...but I have spoke to children who feel like the days/weeks/months/years seem to slipping by really quick.

I just put it down to the internet and technology keeping our minds active, we don't notice the time buggering off into the distance, but who knows.....

chr0naut
The experiment showed that looking from "outside" of a 'toy universe', the view was of a static and unchanging (timeless) scenario, but by observing a small component within that 'toy universe' and thereby quantum entangling with it, the view showed differences arising between the universe as a whole and the observed part.

Thank you, sir. That is extremely useful, as I was heading in the same direction with my "armchair" research. I have noticed that as I become less entangled with temporal things around me, time begins to stop. This is heavily related to the Buddhist teachings of detachment.

In fact, this theory itself might be able to explain how using meditation and detachment can aide in things like astral travel and astral projection, something that I have personally done experiments on in the past.

I think that even in our society, there is the Yang, which is the entangled, and the Yin, which is the observer - for the observer, things are timeless, but for the actor, time is moving.

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As for the recent time shifts, I think the theory you mentioned is directly involved. For one thing, there is a New Age movement that pretty much states exactly how to become an observer instead of an actor (by throwing out duality).

The people that partake in this are going to experience a different type of time flow than the people who are not partaking in this and are still partaking in Western duality systems.

Duality is like this - green is good, and everyone in society must think so or else they are criminals. A more advanced thought process involves leaving out all the b.s. and saying, "Green is green. Do we want to use green for this quilt or not?"

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The time flow difference between Washington State and Idaho is so different that I believe in those two states, the pure opposites can be found. In Idaho, time is temporal, in Washington, time is spatial.

In the past, I have been able to find a computer program that outlines where the different leylines are using Google Earth, and have found that there is a very strong Yang leyline over Idaho. This could be related.

I think it might be Aristotle vs. Platonian thinking. What happens is, you can be a perfectly positive and helpful individual, and move over to Idaho, and people there will start screaming at you for no apparent reason - that is because the reason they are screaming at you is in their heads, you are violating their incorrect world-view.

There is absolutely no way to predict when they are going to scream at you or why unless you become entangled in it yourself.

The recent polarization of society into opposite camps (temporal and spatial) could have an effect on the space-time continuum.

I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today.
Question: Perhaps the big whigs around here are tinkering with time travel?

JayinAR
I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today.
Question: Perhaps the big whigs around here are tinkering with time travel?

Like maybe they finally broke it

Leave it to TPTB to go and screw up time...

madmac5150

JayinAR
I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today.
Question: Perhaps the big whigs around here are tinkering with time travel?

Like maybe they finally broke it

Leave it to TPTB to go and screw up time...

Sometimes I think the best ones to make the decisions are the ones involved in their consequences

darkbake
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The time flow difference between Washington State and Idaho is so different that I believe in those two states, the pure opposites can be found. In Idaho, time is temporal, in Washington, time is spatial.

In the past, I have been able to find a computer program that outlines where the different leylines are using Google Earth, and have found that there is a very strong Yang leyline over Idaho. This could be related.

I think it might be Aristotle vs. Platonian thinking. What happens is, you can be a perfectly positive and helpful individual, and move over to Idaho, and people there will start screaming at you for no apparent reason - that is because the reason they are screaming at you is in their heads, you are violating their incorrect world-view.

There is absolutely no way to predict when they are going to scream at you or why unless you become entangled in it yourself.

The recent polarization of society into opposite camps (temporal and spatial) could have an effect on the space-time continuum.

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Interesting view Mr. Bake... and deep as usual... we aren't that far from the WA border, maybe we are in a "between" space here... no screaming, just "chill"...

It is interesting to think of society being able to influence time... a macro-quantum entanglement, so to speak... which also serves to explain why parts of my home state (WV) seem to be about 20 years behind which is fine... if the world ends tomorrow, they still have 20 years to get caught up

chr0naut
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Recently, it has been announced that it has been experimentally proven that time itself is an emergent outcome of quantum entanglement.

The experiment showed that looking from "outside" of a 'toy universe', the view was of a static and unchanging (timeless) scenario, but by observing a small component within that 'toy universe' and thereby quantum entangling with it, the view showed differences arising between the universe as a whole and the observed part.

This then resolves the "problem of time" raised by the Wheeler-DeWitt equation but also means a redefinition of Minkowski spacetime and GR.

At least the old theories of spacetime are falling apart

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That's a really interesting concept. But it begs a lot of questions...

So who's observing our universe?

Does time exist only for the "components" being observed?

Does it hold true if the observation is being done from within the universe or must one be outside of it?

If we are the only conscious beings capable of observing within this universe, does that mean there is no concept of time in the areas we are not actively observing? Since we know things have happened and do happen within our universe absent our observation, would that not argue for an outside observer or other inside observers?

Science, meet Metaphysics....Metaphysics, meet science. And both of you meet ET.

The mind boggles....

Another "what if" to kick around... maybe what we are seeing is a dimensional "bleed through"... maybe it isn't a rift in space-time but a dimensional tear or dimensional rift? Think about it for a moment... and what if this other dimension has its own rules of physics? Think of being in a certain spot (I will go with New Zealand... some of the weirdness seems centered there ), now imagine if one moment things seem "normal" (as we see normalcy), then the next moment normal physical laws seem to change (speed of light no longer a constant but variable) which would have to effect local space time, even if the rift only happened for a fraction of a moment...

Would New Zealanders now have a different view of the world because of the fracture? Different memories? Would they post threads on ATS about the world maps suddenly appearing different? To them, the differences would be obvious, while the rest of us keep talking about how they are all just crazy?

Riffrafter

That's a really interesting concept. But it begs a lot of questions...

So who's observing our universe?

Does time exist only for the "components" being observed?

Does it hold true if the observation is being done from within the universe or must one be outside of it?

If we are the only conscious beings capable of observing within this universe, does that mean there is no concept of time in the areas we are not actively observing? Since we know things have happened and do happen within our universe absent our observation, would that not argue for an outside observer or other inside observers?

Science, meet Metaphysics....Metaphysics, meet science. And both of you meet ET.

The mind boggles....

Time is being observed by us because we are within the universe and are entangled with it.

To God, outside the universe, and outside of entanglement, the universe is static, for all time. If God entered the universe (thereby entangling with it), His perception would be to observe the passage of time, but only from within the universe. This fits with metaphysical concepts that God is both atemporal and unchanging but also with interactions with humanity as being temporal and able to act in time like we do.

The observation of the passage of time (observing changes arising over time) are usually in terms of the entangled components being observed directly compared with 'everything else'. Therefore, my observation of the passage of time is uniquely different than someone else's (unless we are quantum entangled with each other). In our closed universe, unobserved things have temporality because they are part of the 'everything else' that we compare against.

madmac5150
Another "what if" to kick around... maybe what we are seeing is a dimensional "bleed through"... maybe it isn't a rift in space-time but a dimensional tear or dimensional rift? Think about it for a moment... and what if this other dimension has its own rules of physics? Think of being in a certain spot (I will go with New Zealand... some of the weirdness seems centered there

), now imagine if one moment things seem "normal" (as we see normalcy), then the next moment normal physical laws seem to change (speed of light no longer a constant but variable) which would have to effect local space time, even if the rift only happened for a fraction of a moment...

Would New Zealanders now have a different view of the world because of the fracture? Different memories? Would they post threads on ATS about the world maps suddenly appearing different? To them, the differences would be obvious, while the rest of us keep talking about how they are all just crazy?

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As a New Zealand resident, I can perhaps answer that with a question.

If someone is messing with time it would presumably be with some fairly large scale equipment which is likely to be located in the US, China or Europe. Considering that the Earth is both rotating on multiple axes and moving through space, why would temporal weirdness locate in New Zealand rather than at other locations and why not also be closer to the source of the disturbance?

With regards to N.Z. I truly was just picking a bit...

I do wonder what "time" would look like to an extra-dimensional entity... and I think of the 5th dimensional being in Men in Black III... imagine being able to see all possibilities of every decision at once... and over and over...

Spacetime is not homogenous or coherent. It's full of holes, kind of like a sponge. Most of the holes are teensy tiny, and can only fit little bits of energy/matter into them, so a photon can zip from one end of the universe to the other without touching anything. I suspect, though, that sometimes (although not often) those holes can get a lot bigger and join together with other holes and swallow up things much larger than a photon, like a person or a planet or a galaxy. Then those things can be instantaneously whisked off to some other time and place.

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No New Zealand has not really changed its position wrt Australia. Unless your world map knowledge comes from old Risk Maps, in which case, it's sad that this is what shapes your geographical knowledge

Noinden
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No New Zealand has not really changed its position wrt Australia. Unless your world map knowledge comes from old Risk Maps, in which case, it's sad that this is what shapes your geographical knowledge

I am the product of the finest public school system on Earth. USA baby

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Ahh it shows.

Sodding double post