I Now Feel Like I Can Say It.

I am insulted by the franchise of Notre Dame college football. I am Irish and I am not a fighter, I am a lover. I don't have red hair or short legs. I would be willing to let it ride but in exchange I want congress to change their name to Elected Servants of Americans instead of just Congress. Because I find it offensive that they use a misleading title themselves. It has nothing to do with them meeting and spending money on lights and temperature control etc...to vote on or discuss such a wasteful topic as renaming the Redskins football franchise due to political correctedness.

I think we really need to bloody their noses somehow on this one people. I do have a heart for the Native Americans history. I would look at this as an insult from Congress if you ask me.

You would almost have a point if ND was called the Micks. If Washington was called the Warriors or the Braves or the name of tribe like many teams nobody would care. However we all know Redskin is a derogatory term for native americans and if a public figured refured to indians with that term it would be a scandal. How that name has survived this long is beyond me.

reply to post by Mailman


There used to be a baseball team caled the Washington Senators.

reply to post by randyvs

There used to be a baseball team caled the Washington Senators

In today's world, that would, indeed, be an insult to those ball players.

See ya,
Milt

The term "redskin" has historically never been a negative term at all. Just the opposite in fact.

It wasn't until the political correct people decided it was derogatory that it became so.

Do some research on the term and you will see that a negative connotation has rarely been associated with it.

If you think the team name of the Washington Redskins is ok then changing the team name referring to another groups skin color should also be acceptable.

Maybe the Washington team should be named the DC Darkies.

What you mean the second team name is bigoted and insensitive to an entire group of people?

Well whatta ya know.

reply to post by Carreau


First of all, if you think Redskins is ok then why would you need to change it?

Secondly, what in the world would the term "darkies" represent? Is the entire team black or something?

I doubt it.

reply to post by MrSpad


So should we change the name of the state Oklahoma? It means "people of the red skin" or effectively "redskins."

I think Oklahoma City should start a petition to get the Redskins to move the team there. It's a natural fit, and Oklahomans appreciate their football.

Carreau
If you think the team name of the Washington Redskins is ok then changing the team name referring to another groups skin color should also be acceptable.

Maybe the Washington team should be named the DC Darkies.

What you mean the second team name is bigoted and insensitive to an entire group of people?

Well whatta ya know.

edit on 27-10-2013 by Carreau because: (no reason given)

The difference is who came up with the term Redskin. Often, it was used by the Native Americans themselves. That's what Oklahoma means - people of the red skin (or something similar). The people making the biggest fuss about this aren't even Native Americans. Well except for the Oneida tribe whose position I feel is weakend somewhat by their having allowed their tribal name to be used as a brand name for table ware.

reply to post by ketsuko


So by your reasoning if SOME members of a group use a term then it is permissible for everyone to use it.

OK how about the National Negros. Blacks used to use that term and in some cases still do. How about the Capitol Coloreds, that was a term used in the past. Or I know of another "n" word that some blacks use, would that be alright?

reply to post by Mailman

You're right, of course. "Fighting Irish" perpetuates an extremely backward and negative ethnic stereotype--the drunk, belligerent Irishman. Although "Redskins" is a term for pre-Columbian civilizations and their descendants, it does not have any such negative connotations. The term Redskin itself does not bring with it any negative imagery like "Fighting Irish." Now, if they were the Savage Redskins or the Scalping Redskins or the Casino-Owning-and-Operating Redskins, that might be problematic. Implying that a member of a group does something by virtue of being in that group is a stereotype, and stereotypes that attribute negative behavior are especially harmful. The word might be considered disparaging in the current vernacular, but it is not as problematic as "Fighting Irish."

MrSpad
You would almost have a point if ND was called the Micks. If Washington was called the Warriors or the Braves or the name of tribe like many teams nobody would care. However we all know Redskin is a derogatory term for native americans and if a public figured refured to indians with that term it would be a scandal. How that name has survived this long is beyond me.

Yes I totally agree. I am small part Cherokee but grandmother was so abused by both sides she never told us anything about our heritage or relatives. Think if it were the Washington dark skins, or even Africans. There would be hell to pay. Fact is the African race, or even the jews have nothing on native Americans. Still today the most persecuted but you don't hear them crying about it. Listen complete cultures were wiped off the earth, there are only estimates of how many died from biological warfare. Yes, two infected blankets killed untold numbers of native people. Their land just taken from them. Still they suffer today. Highest alcohol and drug numbers, highest suicide numbers, highest rate of unemployment for any culture. Highest rate of poverty in America. Greatest loss of culture on the planet.

It is pathetic more people are not bothered by this.

I do have one ugly thing to say to the Cherokee nation, shame on you. If anyone of mix blood called trying to find relatives and information they treat you like you are a dog. They look down on you and act like you want money or something. They flatly state if your relatives names don't appear on the roles they won't help you no matter how much info you might have. You could even prove your grandmother was partially raised on the reservation and they still won't help you. It is very very sad. Disgraceful.

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