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Tucket
OneManArmy
tothetenthpower
So now, that you have what seems to be a real Christian at the head of the church, what will the super ultra right wing religious people say?
That he's the devil? That he doesn't understand the teachings of Jesus and the Bible?
A true christian doesnt worship christ
Tell that to the millions of Christians who go to church each Sunday and worship Jesus.
tothetenthpower
I love this new pope.
No really, and I'm an agnostic, bordering atheist.
Source.
Speaking at daily Mass last Thursday, Pope Francis warned Christians against turning their faith into a rigid ideology.
“The faith passes, so to speak, through a distiller and becomes ideology,” he said, according to Radio Vatican. “And ideology does not beckon [people]. In ideologies there is not Jesus: in his tenderness, his love, his meekness. And ideologies are rigid, always. Of every sign: rigid.
“And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’ The knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and also moralistic knowledge, because these close the door with many requirements.”
So now, that you have what seems to be a real Christian at the head of the church, what will the super ultra right wing religious people say?
That he's the devil? That he doesn't understand the teachings of Jesus and the Bible?
I see a schism coming here, and huge one if this pope continues to try and lead the Christian world into this new, and proper direction.
Thoughts?
~Tenth
The main reason I left the traditional Catholic faith was mainly their "holier than thou" attitude towards anyone outside of the faith. "If you aren't Catholic you go to hell, if you aren't the "right kind" of Catholic you go to hell etc."
Sportbominable
reply to post by madmac5150
The main reason I left the traditional Catholic faith was mainly their "holier than thou" attitude towards anyone outside of the faith. "If you aren't Catholic you go to hell, if you aren't the "right kind" of Catholic you go to hell etc."
This is completely untrue. If someone at your church said that to you then they were dead wrong. The Catholic church does not teach that non-Catholics go to hell. The catechism teaches that if you die with mortal sins on your soul you will go to hell. Of course there are other factors involved and only God knows if you will end up in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. Jews, other Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, etc.. all have their chance to go to Heaven. I'm sorry you were taught the wrong thing.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Revelation 13:4-6 from the Standard King James Version (Pure Cambridge).
chr0naut
reply to post by tothetenthpower
This man firstly says that you don't have to be a believer in Christ to be saved.
Contrary to claims otherwise, Pope Francis did not say that atheists can go to heaven without coming to faith, and he most certainly did not say that man can save himself by his own efforts.
Indeed, he speaks of the need for God’s mercy. (Source)
swanne
As he is presented with the "scientific facts" which Geneva generated since decades, (the new pope - the one after Benedict XVI) destroys the Vatican once and for all, saying that Vatican was, and always has been, the Antichrist's dwelling. The people will love him.
Source
I wrote that back in January, while Benedict XVI was still Pope.
The purpose of Francis is to create a new vatican which will actually merge with quantum "science", new age and seduce even more minds than ever before.
To seduce more minds, this pope must first look like a good guy. So, he destroys the old Vatican.
All that I already predicted it almost 11 months ago, while Ben was still Pope and the Vatican was fully conservative.
edit on 22-10-2013 by swanne because: (no reason given)
chr0naut
reply to post by tothetenthpower
This man firstly says that you don't have to be a believer in Christ to be saved. Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the light, no-one comes to the Father except by me". Seems to be a conflict there.
Now the Pope is saying that having an ideology causes people to abandon Jesus and 'true Christianity' - does it?
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Revelation 13:4-6 from the Standard King James Version (Pure Cambridge).
edit on 22/10/2013 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)
jjkenobi
Can someone explain "ideological Christians"? Does it boil down to you can do anything you want, nobody can say you are wrong, to heck with morals, and everyone will still go to Heaven?
AfterInfinity
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity
So you're saying that this pope is a false prophet?
tothetenthpower
reply to post by OneManArmy
I also have a question for you, what is it that makes you decide that this pope is a "real" christian, as opposed to any other christian.
because true Christians don't go around judging others for their behavior and creating legal challenges for their rights. Nor do they call for violence or mistreatment of people who do not follow their ways.
Who made you judge, as an agnostic bordering on atheism, on what constitutes the qualification of "real" Christianity?
I was raised Roman catholic and stayed in the church till my early twenties. I've read the bible in two different languages, the Koran in Arabic and every other religious text you can think of.
I'm not here to judge anybody, I'm simply applying the rules that Jesus put forth in his teachings, to those of today.
Pope Francis is following those teachings.
~Tenth
tencap77
reply to post by tothetenthpower
Thanks for the post! Where was this guy during the burning times? maybe the Europeans would have been lot less vicious if they weren't spending all that time killing each other over they're Sunday book club ! ! ! !