Mainstream journalists expose 9/11 hoax

reply to post by waypastvne


Two facts should make it an open case and proof of false flag attack.....

a)two 110 story buildings dont collapse on their own footprint 45 minutes after localised fires on the upper levels. they had to be demolished with people still in them to create the shock and awe necessary to frame alqueda and to justify the war campaigns and the formation of DHS.

b)there is no serious footage of any airplane hitting the pentagon. what footage does exist is garbled nonsense not worthy of elementary school children looking at it. then cctv footage from nearby business was confiscated the following days by the feds, which proves they DID NOT WANT any footage of missiles showing.

reply to post by SloAnPainful

So what. Those that know it was an inside job don't need this validation. The sleeping majority continue to believe the CNN version. It is too late in the day to stop this evil agenda. As long as the masses have their bread and circuses they are content. I say bring on the NWO and move on.

jhn7537
Didn't the FBI confiscate numerous tapes of local buildings too?

Aw yea, the 85 missing tapes. Well they aren't missing most of them can be see on line here is the list:

Five videotapes were recovered from the post-attack Pentagon crime scene and submitted to the FBI Laboratory in Quantico.

13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.

One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information

8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.

One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape

Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.

One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
One (1) VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape

Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.

One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing

Received at Washington Field Office Command Post

These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.

One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"

Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:

One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)

Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.

One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape

Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.

One (1) Betacam video tape
One (1) HDCAM video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Mini DV video tape maked in part Antonio M.
One (1) DVC PRO video tape
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5A of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1471 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1788 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1808 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1813 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B530 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1563 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1051 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1787 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B2406 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1276 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "CNN RE: BURN VICTIM..."
One VHS video tape marked in part "NIGHTLINE 2/15/2002"

Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico, under communication dated 5/13/2002.

One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) TDK 8mm video tape

Video obtained by FBI on 9/28/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of WTC after attacks, obtained by Suffolk County, New York Police Department.

One Hi 8mm video cassette tape from Eileen McMahon

Video obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of second plane hitting WTC and aftermath.

One Mini DV 60 video cassette tape

Video submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico under cover of communication dated 9/22/2001. Obtained by FBI NK from Dime Savings Bank, Nutley, New Jersey

One TDK T-160 VHS video tape

Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) home Video of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

Video from DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. Camera repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape

Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape

Copy of home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by AP photographer using camera borrowed from nearby motorist. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) duplicate video cassette tape dated 9/11/01

Video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001.

One (1) CD containing 2 video files

Video from security camera at Citgo Gas Station, 801 S. Joyce Street, Arlington, Virginia. Submitted to FAVIAU to determine if video showed impact of plane into Pentagon. Determined not to show impact. Obtained by FBI on 9/11/2001.

One (1) JVC EHG Hi-Fi videocassette, labeled Day 11 Quarters K

Video from security camera at Doubletree Hotel, 300 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia. Security video showing rotating footage from different camera locations at hotel; no camera captures impact of plane into Pentagon.

One (1) TDK video tape marked "11C"

Images captured by two separate cameras at the entrance to the Pentagon Mall Terrace parkinng lot. Images capture the impact of the plane into the Pentagon from two different cameras. Obtained from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency via USA/EDVA.

One (1) CD-ROM

reply to post by waypastvne


Unfortunately, I don't have time to go through all the tapes you listed this second. When you wrote "most" are you alluding to some of the tapes not being released yet? Also, is there not one decent angle anywhere that shows a plane entering the Pentagon?

I just find it strange that a building, like the Pentagon, which is essentially the central hub for our nation's defense, doesn't have one camera angle showing a plane entering the building.

and seeing as you are an OS advocate, can you please comment on Bush/Cheney giving their testimony not under oath, together, and with zero recordings? Doesn't that seem strange to you? Shouldn't they separate the two, like any investigation, answer same questions and look for inconsistencies in their reports?

stormcell
The bit about not toppling over is easily explained. Once the plane hit the building, you end up with a detached part of steel and concrete. The centre-of-gravity (the rotation point) is in the middle of this block. It did try and rotate over, but as soon as soon as that happened, the steel girders on the other side detached. This then let the rest of the block free to fall downwards and it returned to an upright position.
You can see that the transmission mast did go from side to side.

There is a mystery of why WTC 1 and 2 fell which I don't think is properly explained officially. But pictures do tell a tale in certain areas. In the case of WTC1, despite most of the pictures lookimg like the collapse went straight down because of the visual appearance of the mast apparently going straight down, (with a bit of a wobble) it did not, it fell off with the rest of the portion above where the plane hit reaching a horizontal angle, as did the rest of that portion, hitting the ground 11 seconds later. You can see that in some of the video here,



The real problem is why the rest of the building progressively collapsed, not vertically but horizontally, AKA outwardly, without any loading from above the hit line, which was much higher than the hit to WTC2, which also lost it's portion above the hit line in a similar manner, although actually a little less extreme of angle than WTC1, and took longer to reach the ground.
WTC7 was a vertical collapse.

dave_welch
I've felt for years that the OS doesn't exactly pass muster. Some things may be able to be explained, but some things will never make sense. There are a few parts of the OS that none of you have been able to explain away, and you never will.

A. Hijacker's passport being found near the WTC. I'm sorry, but there is no way that a passport could survive even the impact, let alone the subsequent explosion and fire.

B. The Shanksville crash. No large pieces of the aircraft were found, yet debris was found miles away from the crash. How does that happen?

C. The Pentagon crash. How does a passenger jet crash into The Pentagon yet not hit any of the light poles and electric poles directly in front of the hole supposedly created by the plane? Why has no decent footage of the plane been released? You can't pick your nose at the Pentagon without being caught by security cameras at every angle. Why were there no pieces of the plane visible at all? Even with an impact of that magnitude, the tail section should have at least been intact enough to be recognized.

Now, look at the difference in pre-9/11 and post 9/11 US. Whether it was an inside job or not, we'd all have to agree that the country has changed greatly for the worse.

I'm not saying that it was or was not an inside job, I do not know. But it doesn't take a genius to say that an inside job and a cover up are possible, even likely.

edit on 22-10-2013 by dave_welch because: Punctuation.

reply to post by waypastvne


That's quite a list - thanks for posting it.

Aw yea, the 85 missing tapes. Well they aren't missing most of them can be see on line here is the list:

Where online? You didn't post a link...

dave_welch
I've felt for years that the OS doesn't exactly pass muster. Some things may be able to be explained, but some things will never make sense. There are a few parts of the OS that none of you have been able to explain away, and you never will.

A. Hijacker's passport being found near the WTC. I'm sorry, but there is no way that a passport could survive even the impact, let alone the subsequent explosion and fire.

B. The Shanksville crash. No large pieces of the aircraft were found, yet debris was found miles away from the crash. How does that happen?

C. The Pentagon crash. How does a passenger jet crash into The Pentagon yet not hit any of the light poles and electric poles directly in front of the hole supposedly created by the plane? Why has no decent footage of the plane been released? You can't pick your nose at the Pentagon without being caught by security cameras at every angle. Why were there no pieces of the plane visible at all? Even with an impact of that magnitude, the tail section should have at least been intact enough to be recognized.

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1. Said passport could not survivve....?

So how did a video tape, petri dish of worms, notebooks, and other items survive breakup of the Space Shuttle
COLUMBIA in 2003 . It disinergrated at 200,000 ft at speed of Mach 12

The digital video tape, presumably shot by astronaut Laurel Clark, begins around 8:35 a.m., some nine minutes before Columbia fell into the discernible atmosphere 400,000 feet above the Pacific Ocean northwest of Hawaii.

The tape continues for four minutes past "entry interface" and then abruptly ends around 8:48 a.m., four minutes before the first telemetry was received indicating problems in the shuttle's left wing. Sources say no other tape remained on the heavily damaged cassette.

The canisters containing the worms had been found among the wreckage of the shuttle, but the live worms were only discovered this week, when scientists at the Kennedy Space Center finally opened the canisters. They were part of an experiment called BRIC — Biological Research In Canisters — to see how long worms could live in space unattended.

The passport was found in the street just after impact so did not have to survive fire and collapse.....

(Hijacker Satam M. A. al-Suqami's) passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.

Pieces of mail in the cargo hold were also found in the street....

2. No pieces of United 93 in Shanksville....?

Sections of fuselage

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Landing gear

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Jet engine

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They filled 10 bins like this with debris

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As for the "miles away" - some wind blown pieces of paper and insulation were found about mile away

The "miles away" came from an idiot who Mapquested the directions - it gave hime the driving distance
between the locations

3. No pieces of the plane visible...?

Looks like lot of aircraft debris here

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And here (roadway outside C Ring exit hole)

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As for tail section - aircraft taiI is designed to be as light as possible, unlike wings contains no heavy ribs/spars,
jet engines, fouel tanks, etc

It did leave a scar on the outer facade of the Pentago as it shattered

pheonix358

When the second building went straight down, my emotions went to ice. I thought right then, BULL!

From that moment on I knew 9/11 was a lie. Building fall over, not straight down.

Yup, that did it for me too. If ever there was a time for a quote from somebody its now:

Who are the real players responsible for engineering a self-serving "war on terror," which was precipitated by the mysterious 9/11 attacks on America?

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by waypastvne

 

Two facts should make it an open case and proof of false flag attack.....

a)two 110 story buildings dont collapse on their own footprint 45 minutes after localised fires on the upper levels. they had to be demolished with people still in them to create the shock and awe necessary to frame alqueda and to justify the war campaigns and the formation of DHS.

This makes no sense.

Why would They frame al-Qaeda and not Saddam? If they were going to do so, why not use bombs?

b)there is no serious footage of any airplane hitting the pentagon. what footage does exist is garbled nonsense not worthy of elementary school children looking at it.

So what? There are many, many eyewitnesses with consistent corroborating testimony. There are even more people who saw WTC #2 plane.

Why would conspirators connected to the military (I assume this is the conspiracy) attack the Pentagon?

Why not the Social Security Administration, or something to really make people angry but not cause any military damage?

then cctv footage from nearby business was confiscated the following days by the feds, which proves they DID NOT WANT any footage of missiles showing.

Why does it prove that? Maybe there was a criminal investigation by the FBI?

If "They" were using missiles on the Pentagon, why did "They" use airplanes on WTC?

And why not use good Old Faithful car bombs?

In reality: al-Qaida did it. They admitted it. They used airplanes because they couldn't make big enough bombs, because the fertilizer suppliers were being monitored after the bombs in OKC and the original WTC attack. The conspiracy was going to war in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan.

seasoul
Who are the real players responsible for engineering a self-serving "war on terror," which was precipitated by the mysterious 9/11 attacks on America?

Osama bin Laden & Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Conveniently taking their bait: George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld.

Cobaltic1978
reply to post by AussieDingus

 

the absolute masters of stealing peoples identities to commit later crimes is MOSSAD. That doesn't mean MOSSAD were involved, but considering the dancing Israeli's that were caught, questioned and released and later found to have ties to MOSSAD, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest at their involvement.

Personally I believe 9/11 has Mossad's fingerprints all over it.

The Israelis have such an history of being behind false flag events it's scary! Which country benefited the most from 9/11? Israel.

Not in the slightest. The country which benefitted the most from 9/11 was Iran, which has declared itself to be an enemy of Israel.

Flatcoat
reply to post by mbkennel

 

The collapse of the towers look exactly what laws of physics predict. The laws of physics say that all towers after lower support has been breached will fall at the same speed. What other speed would there be?

Could you clarify that a bit? What "lower support" was "breached"?

When the dynamic transient load exceeded the capability of the structure, all sorts of things break. The previous structure which was bearing the load is now accelerating down at 9.8 m/s into little pieces.

When your ankle goes out, your torso falls down plenty fast.

Are you saying that, according to the laws of physics, highrise buildings can only exist in two states...either static, or in vertical freefall.....?

Close to it, yes. Ever see a building collapse slowly over a minute? No.

Good find,OP S&F! Hersh is taking a big risk here taking on the government and MSM.Let's see how the gate keepers react to his comments.I'm sure there will be some attempts to ignore or attack him.

reply to post by mbkennel

When your ankle goes out, your torso falls down plenty fast.

The big point that you do not want anyone to see is that when you ankle goes you fall over! You don't end up in a pile of bio mass where your feet were.

You just proved the opposite point of view. Thanks!

P

How many times does this sillyness about the videotapes have to be covered here before it becomes repetitive, double, triple and quad triple posting. All you have to do is go to the FBI website to see that:

Of the so called 85 videotapes

56 "of these videotapes did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11."

Of the remaining 29 videotapes, 16 "did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon."

Of the 13 remaining tapes, 12 "only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77."

Only one tape showed the Pentagon impact: the Pentagon's own security camera footage, was released.

All these partial tapes are available in reading/audiovisual rooms at the FBI vault. Even the God of the truthers David Ray Griffin saw them and shut up about this 7 years ago.

Put a sock in it.

Now children lets get back to explaining how Bush and Cheney used voodoo to brainwash the 23 witnesses who testified under oath that they saw an American Airlines plane crash into the Pentagon.

reply to post by SloAnPainful


It's already been twelve years. How long should we wait for this great truth to finally be revealed?

reply to post by waypastvne


no links?

reply to post by spooky24


ioo billion a year in dope money from afghanistan and you are wondering where those witnesses come from?

why don't you start with the gal that saw the incubator babies on the floor in kuwait...oh wait you can't
she lied