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Pike himself said something about keeping the low grades ignorant of the true meanings,( not a direct quote ) in morals and DOGMA...
...and masons will argue that book is tantamount to their masonry.
doesn't matter that some of the masons still revere that baby sacrificing beast 666,, old holy Crowley...
Doubt it , at least not within the Lower degrees( under 32) .
Take a blood oath any masons? Taking a secret blood oath in order to conceal ?
Any body who takes an oath in order to conceal with others is a conspiracy of the first order.
Let's get the the masons, gather up all 33* masons... and don't forget all their affiliates , like the... Scottish rite,
As a Christian I believe it is my DUTY to be my brothers keeper...
And said " organization" was found out that they occupy the highest offices in the world.
and that is not second hand info. And I'm not posting links...
I can't help it if your Masonic lies have infected people's lives and they turn into pushy nosey people.
Oh and if you didn't read before in an earlier post I DONT KNOW HOW TO POST LINKS...
As a Christian I believe it is my DUTY to be my brothers keeper, and we are all brothers...
And why do you think I need to prove any of my information to you if I've convinced myself?
And are you implying masonry is the the root if all things esoteric?
Do you not believe that the spirit can guide those who ask for guidance. Cause the Christians have a thing called the Holy Spirit.
While I'm sure you've been TAUGHT SECOND HAND some truths specific to you...
And what gives you the audacity to think that when your lies affect the fools who are parents of disabled but not the child. Don't you get it ?
But I don't know many people who have been asked to join the masons...
You also should realize you just outed that one of your organization's tenets of belief is to be liars.
It seems Jesus was right, it is up to oneself to achieve salvation , through faith in what's true.
And if you were an esoteric person to begin with you coulda just read the bible and received enough knowledge to be supplicated and you wouldn't have joined the masons , again my opinion.
You nor none of your buddies have answered the question: do you agree that it is ok to have the highest political/ government offices being held by secret organizations ?
I don't care as long as they do their job. Being part of a private organization like Freemasonry has no negative effect on their performance in their position. Nor does Freemasonry have control over what we do in our daily lives and jobs. No body of Masonry or officer therein can come and tell me how to perform or make decisions for me.
Yeah, with your polite posts, how could I conclude that you favor Freemasonry. Laughable.
I told you TYPE INTO GOOGLE " MASONIC CONSPIRACY" to show you that you had detractors,who claim evidence against masons
If this is your evidence then hold on while I fall over laughing. There is so much false information out there, but if you want to do lazy man's research and using this search criteria is nothing more than confirmation bias.
Here's some links for you:
If you want specifics look at Grand Lodge websites.
That ought to bring to light the fact you have evidence against you masons
Do you really think I don't know the # said about us? We're not the thought police nor should give away our rights and give into outrageous demands to placate the ignorant.
Now do you claim to speak for all lodges ?
I've been to many Lodges and most operate in the same manner, and I have a strong knowledge of Masonic operations around the globe.
And all grades?
I am a member of several Masonic bodies so I'm familiar with them from research and first hand experience. Those I'm not a member of I still research extensively.
Are the masons of your lodge occupying the highest seats of government?
The Governor of Idaho is a Mason. I know the Sheriff of my home County is a Mason. I could keep going, but none of them have done anything wrong nor has the fraternity caused them to compromise their values to act in a particular way. Nor have you proven that being in a private organization like the Freemasons causes corruption or nepotism.
How do you know masons aren't occupying those seats?
Not really concerned about it, but I could find out fairly easy as the Grand Secretary of my state is a member of my Lodge.
Or are you guys the head masons voted to speak for all masons?
Well, I am the presiding officer of my Eastern Star Chapter and my Knights Templar Commandery so I can speak on behalf of them.
I don't pretend to defend christian religion , just Christians.
Strange. I'd rather defend the former rather than the latter. Many "christians" have seem to forgotten the compassion taught by Christ and have replaced it with extremism and militancy. I'd rather defend the tenets and lessons taught by Christ.
Did they say and you believed or did you doubt.
Trust but verify.
You keep downing me so I bring you down to my level but I THINK i would have to stand downhill to be eye to eye with you.
So it's okay with you to make up a hypothetical, but I can't? Suddenly you can infer all you want, but I can't?
And know your place.
You don't know where I sit within Freemasonry.
EDIT: Also, why is it you demand I answer your questions, but you haven't answered any of mine?edit on 22-10-2013 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)
How did you understand that I didn't know? I listed no other signifiers to 33* but also listed all that all masonry to be questioned up to the 33*
DO YOU THINK THAT A SECRET SOCIETY SHOULD HOLD THE HIGHEST OFFICES OF GOVERNMENT?