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I believe that sort of thinking just doesn't help, cancer or no cancer TRY it and then come back and tell us how things went for you.
Cancerwarrior
reply to post by coolcatt
I believe that sort of thinking just doesn't help, cancer or no cancer TRY it and then come back and tell us how things went for you.
I'm sorry if the truth is negative thinking in your eyes. In mine it is far worse to spread total nonsense such as this to people that have terminal cancer like me.
I was first diagnosed in June 2011 with stage IV metastatic melanoma. Its a very aggressive very deadly form of skin cancer.
I did baking soda, I did liposomal vitamin c, I did an fresh fruits/veggies diet, I quit smoking cigarrettes (even though the kind of cancer I had was not even from that) I started taking things like Turmeric and more herbs, laid off processed foods totally. And this was after I initially did 5.5 months of chemo at MD Anderson and gamma knife, and a whole host of surgeries and treatments that cured me the first time around.
And still the Melanoma keeps coming back. Of everything the chemo was the only thing that was effective in killing my tumors. Nothing else can really prevent it.
Right now I just had back surgury to remove two tumors from my spinal cord. I just finished three weeks of radiation treatments and feel like hell so forgive me if my post comes off as sounding short, but really, please do a little research before you go around telling everyone not to do chemo and try baking soda instead or some other nonsense.
woodwardjnr
It's very very easy to say what you would do if you were diagnosed with cancer, but until you are, your in no position to comment. I'm getting sick of people firing off a list of alternatives, then going back to their happy undiagnosed lives,thinking they are actually helping.
coolcatt
reply to post by woodwardjnr
LOL
You have turned this into a I've got cancer you ant so.......very sad indeed
Good luck
GoldenBrain71
I had a conversation a few months ago with a friend of mine who is a bio chemist that works in a lab to develop cures for cancer. This man is one of many scientists who are responsible for some of the latest cures/treatments. Below is his response to my question about alkaline diets. There's no conspiracy. There are actually some brilliant people out there working to create cures for this hideous disease.
"To be more detailed, the pH of what you eat means next to nothing in terms of health for 99% of the population. There are exceptions to this, but pretty much, its bunk.
What we're really talking about is compartmentalization. Your body is not a continuous space. Its a mesh of segregated tissues comprising segregated systems. When you eat, the pH of your stomach environment drops to approximately 2-3. There is absolutely nothing you could possibly eat that would even compare to that high of acidity. Well, nothing that you'd survive. I personally don't make a habit of drinking battery acid.
So, EVERYTHING you eat is instantly acidified. This is required because the proteases in your gastric juice that are responsible for breaking down food are optimized to this pH level. In fact, they would not function otherwise. So that's the first knock right there. If "alkaline" food actually made a difference, you'd not be able to digest it.
Then, once you stomach empties the contents into the intestine, pancreatic secretions neutralize the pH, rendering it safe to travel the GI tract.
These pH diet people try to make these claims that you can do urine tests and that's somehow indicative of blood pH. Because really that's what they're interested in, blood pH.
1) Urine pH is absolutely irrelevant to blood pH. Urine pH is a matter of kidney function (more on this in a minute).
2) Blood pH is so tightly controlled there is virtually nothing a healthy person can do to throw it out in any dangerous way. Blood pH is regulated by your kidneys through filtration, by the blood acid/base buffer system, and more actively via respiration. Hemoglobin binds 3 molecules; oxygen, hydrogen and BPG (2,3-bisphosphoglyceric acid). CO2 actually doesn't bind to Hb but rather is transported in plasma as HCO3-. BPG is not really related to this discussion but is a molecule that binds to Hb in low oxygen environments and decreases affinity of O2 to Hb (thus increasing O2 in the tissues). Think, mountain climbing or free diving without an oxygen tank.
So Hb works in 2 states. This is based on the molecular arrangement of Hb and is related to O2 binding. T state is deoxygenated Hb, R state is oxygenated. T state has low O2 affinity, R state is high. The way Hb works, is that 1 heme can bind 4 oxygen molecules. Once that first is bound, the Hb molecule changes is conformation (shape) from T, to R. This R configuration (R=Relaxed) opens up the 3 subsequent binding sites and those empty spaces bind very rapidly. Thus the R state's high affinity.
This is linked with pH; remember I said the other molecule that binds to Hb is hydrogen, specifically H+ ions. Which is what pH actually is, a measure of H+ ion concentration. The lower the pH, the more the ions. H+ binding to Hb favors a T state. Thus, in lower pH (meaning higher H+), less O2 binds to Hb. This means more O2 is in the tissues. I realize this might be confusing, but think of it like this. When you are working out, you're producing a bunch of CO2 and H+ ions. You also are using up a lot of O2 and thus, need that oxygen in the organs, its not doing you any good stuck in the blood.
The opposite is true when Oxygen is in high supply. More oxygen is bound up in the Hb, leaving less space for H+ to bind.
So, a couple things should be apparent to you at this point. One, notice how respiratory rate seems to be implicated in blood pH? 2nd, notice this whole time I've been talking about boundmolecules and Hb? The blood system as a whole, is consistent. These molecules are there, regardless. The changes are based on whether at one point they're bound vs unbound. So the pH is relatively constant within a very narrow range of constraints. This is vitally important because notice how much an impact H+ ions have on your body's ability to carry oxygen, its literally life or death. So ANY changes in blood pH can become VERY VERY bad. But yet we live everyday problem free.
With regards to respiration, you can (for a very short time period) change your blood pH. Hold your breath for about 20 seconds. During that time the pH is being altered (and quickly corrected for). Opposite holds true as well. When people that are hyperventilating black out, what is actually happening is their body is losing too much CO2 and the pH is being altered (become more alkaline). When they pass out and breathing slows down, their body automatically corrects itself. So not only is it tightly controlled, its so tightly controlled your body does it when you're not even conscious.
I did mention exceptions to this. Remember I said kidneys also control pH? This is long term regulation. Now people suffering from a depreciated kidney function very much can have adverse effects based on what they eat. They pretty much have adverse effects based on anything though. Renal failure is very serious business.
As for cancer. There's been stuff shown that cancer cells "favor" an acidic environment in culture. And there's been stuff showing that altering the pH to a more alkaline level can kill the cells, in culture. Here's the problem. It kills everything. This is all in culture mind you. This mechanism, for reasons I've already explained make absolutely no difference in vivo because there's nothing we can do to instantly turn someones body "alkaline."
So with regards to diet, I don't recommend any diet based on pH. I don't think its a relevant consideration.
Summary: Blood pH is so tightly controlled that this is an irrelevant matter for any healthy individual. If you're up on chemistry, at least enough to understand le Chatelier's principle of chemical equilibrium, this is the blood pH buffer equation that basically summarizes what I just said:
H+(aq) + HCO3-(aq) H2CO3(aq) H2O (l) + CO2(g)
Anytime you push the equation one way, so long as it doesn't exceed the constraints of the buffer system, your body will alter respiration and such to correct back toward equilibrium."
LABTECH767
reply to post by NavyDoc
The phillosophy of that surgeon was not to cure the cancer but to remove the Fungus he believed was irritating the tumour and helping it to spread.
He did not use commercial baking soda but a medical grade solution and poultice he made himself, one patient whom had skin cancer on his head reported that after several week's his skin tumour dropped off like a dry scab though admittedly this may be down to a localised cell death caused by osmotic evacuation he did however suffer no relapse.
I do not know how he applied his internal treatment but I suppose localised Alkaline saturation may have performed much the same function as radio therapy in that it may have caused a local cell die off but without the peripheral damage as the healthy tissue may have been able to more readily respond in balancing its homeostasis but as you and those of us whom have had loved one's succumb to this terrible disease know, chemotherapy harms both the good and the bad cell's as it effectively stop's all new cell production and this in turn if the cancer is not beaten by it leaves the patient in a more vulnerable position as there body can no longer resist the cancer and it can then spread more aggressively.
So if the local cell die off is the case is it not a viable alternative to both chemo and radio therapy as well as intrusve surgery which by it's very nature damages the good tissue to get to the bad tissue.
This definitely REQUIRES more ETHICAL non profic motivated research.
Logically speaking there is something to this but YOU CAN NOT SELF MEDICATE as you do not have access to the correct materials or know how this surgeon applied his treatment.
Remember he was a surgeon and cancer speciallist so may also have used other techniques in conjunction with this.
edit on 14-10-2013 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)