Never thought I'd do it, but I dont see a choice here...

geemony
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

well I think the tea party is for sure the better choice...however, they have a huge machine to overcome. I dont know........

Tea Party has had better success infiltrating the republican party than Occupy has infiltrating the democrat party. Both big parties need to change. We need a smaller less expensive to run, less intrusive, more tax collection from the rich, less wars, job growth and tariffs, smaller military industrial complex.

People on welfare dont pay taxes, and less tax collection means more borrowing, which means default.

jimmyx

bigfatfurrytexan

CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by geemony

 

Well in an ideal world I would agree but if you have money you can afford the socialist things, and I believe less government the better, but either way you have a crap economy right now, jobs are being advertised that don't really exist as posted in another ats thread, the minimum wage hardly affords anything, and a lot of things would need to change either way don't you think?

I can guarantee that if you come to west Texas today, you could have a job tomorrow.

There is work. Just not in the centers of urban decay on the coasts of America.

might want to read this article, especially the last few paragraphs:
www.dallasnews.com...

and if you get one of those jobs you talk about....you better hope you have some medical coverage
www.bizjournals.com...

Dallas is 500 miles away.


Here, in the Cline Shale neighborhood....that is where I am.

4 stores here closed in the last 30 days because they have no one to staff them. McD's pays $14/hr starting out.

geemony
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I think you make a great point, the left has for sure been Hijacked by teh socialist point of view. Not sure when that happened. The democratic party at one time was a great party, had some great leaders JFK to name one. However, back on topic I dont trust any of them really. I just feel the conservative, constitutionalist point of view is the best way to remake America. Obama, is only doing the bidding of the Elite that controls him. You see America is the last domino on earth. We are the last country which has rights persay, we have the right to bare arms, we have right to free speech, we have the right to do pretty much anything we want with in the Laws we have passed. Never before have we seen a more open grab for our rights than we are seeing right now. Government is going after our guns, our free speech and they are putting more and more restrictions on our freedom and liberty. TO control the people you must first control how they live. The more entilements we have the more people they control. This debt cieling and budget empasse going on right now IMO is a battle against futhuer government control. Time to take a stand!!!!

hey bud...hate to tell you this, but the federal government works for ALL OF US, not just the well-off or white Christian right-wingers...if you want to be truly free of "the socialist point of view" go live in Afghanistan, Somalia, north Korea, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia...these countries have no or very little socialism. you pay individually for everything...no socialist government to get in your way

reply to post by jimmyx

Really, then communisim is what I should have said. Becasue the citizens of the countries you mention have no rights and if they go against the government they get dead!!!! And the Federal Government doesnt work for anyone but the federal government. The bigger the FED teh less republic for which it stands. Less Government = more liberty period.....

reply to post by jimmyx


The way Obama is running the nation into the ground at lightspeed, I dont think we have to worry about socialism anymore. We might not have any government at all by then, just anarchy and tribal warfare.

The religious right never catered to my tastebuds, but fiscal responsiblity and job growth did. Its one thing to allow for a welfare state attached to capitalism like most developed countries have, its another thing to have welfare statism because government cant tackle trade deficits and caters to bailouts of big business.

Government spends way too much and collects way too little. Argentina and greece did the same thing and look where they are...in the #hole!

bigfatfurrytexan

jimmyx

bigfatfurrytexan

CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by geemony

 

Well in an ideal world I would agree but if you have money you can afford the socialist things, and I believe less government the better, but either way you have a crap economy right now, jobs are being advertised that don't really exist as posted in another ats thread, the minimum wage hardly affords anything, and a lot of things would need to change either way don't you think?

I can guarantee that if you come to west Texas today, you could have a job tomorrow.

There is work. Just not in the centers of urban decay on the coasts of America.

might want to read this article, especially the last few paragraphs:
www.dallasnews.com...

and if you get one of those jobs you talk about....you better hope you have some medical coverage
www.bizjournals.com...

Dallas is 500 miles away.


Here, in the Cline Shale neighborhood....that is where I am.

4 stores here closed in the last 30 days because they have no one to staff them. McD's pays $14/hr starting out.

the only thing related to what you said, is this article about a shortage of truckers due to shale oil production.
www.mywesttexas.com...

list the 4 stores that have closed due to not having enough staff

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by jimmyx

 

The way Obama is running the nation into the ground at lightspeed, I dont think we have to worry about socialism anymore. We might not have any government at all by then, just anarchy and tribal warfare.

The religious right never catered to my tastebuds, but fiscal responsiblity and job growth did. Its one thing to allow for a welfare state attached to capitalism like most developed countries have, its another thing to have welfare statism because government cant tackle trade deficits and caters to bailouts of big business.

Government spends way too much and collects way too little. Argentina and greece did the same thing and look where they are...in the #hole!

you have no proof or evidence that "Obama is running the nation into the ground"...he was handed a big smelly pile by the republicans and has been hated by the republicans for not cleaning it up fast enough... if the republicans had gotten their heads out of their asses during the bush years, and not cut taxes for the wealthy, and also put in some regulations on the financial corporations, we wouldn't be trying to dig ourselves out of this craphole

exiteternity
reply to post by geemony

 

voting doesnt count and doesnt matter.
and no, im lucky unlike you, i live in a good place on earth not miserable place like yours.
but dont think voting matters. its just pathetic to see ppl think voting matters... all that matters is who counts the votes.

and if the TPTB counts the votes, do you really believe you matter? LOL.

For someone who's too cowardly to say what country they're from, you sure do have a lot to say about the US. Despite what you read here on ATS, this is far from a miserable place. You're right, voting no longer matters, our politicians are blind to the people, which is why we're hanging flags upside down on this side of the pond. Apathy never got anyone anywhere.

reply to post by HomerinNC


Like it really matters how long they are out THEY ARE GETTING BACK PAID BTW SO WHY DO THEY CARE.

reply to post by trinityalways


It matters. This is more far reaching than just a few people being forced to stay home. The area I live in relies heavily on tourism to stay afloat. In fact one county was going to use their sherriff's department to reopen the national parks. The Governor talked them out of it for 24 hours. We will see what they do next.

This shutdown reaches into places you have not considered. Sure, the employees will get back pay, but what about those private companies that are losing out because our government is failing America? Please do not take the narrow view and only see what is presented to you.

I remember videos of elected officials brawling in their respective capitol buildings. It was so funny to think these grown men could act so childish. Never happen in America and we could laugh and laugh. These videos do not look so funny anymore. Oh, there may not be shoes flying or fists making contact, but the attitude is still there.

Look, I firmly believe we need at minimum a two party system so that we do not end up in a monarchy or a dictatorship, however when each side points to the other saying 'they are out to destroy you', then I lose all respect and faith in them. When each party can be bought by special interest, then I know they no longer have my best interest at heart. When the members of those parties are in it for 'their own self gain', then I know they only see me as a stepping stone meant solely to be walked upon. Know that I have not lost faith in America, just in it's leadership.

combatmaster
reply to post by signalfire

 

Actually bro...

I am a brit. And i see where you are coming from. I am not muslim.

It sucks to hear that its not the vaunted US it used to be. I really didnt want to hear that!

There is no other country that could replace America. I would have to find another planet.

I'm not sure the US ever lived up to its propaganda. The 50s were pretty nice except for all that 'duck and cover' BS and if you weren't black... And I'm way ahead of you in looking for another venue...

"Next Time, No Planet Earth, No Matter What the Brochures Say!"

trinityalways
reply to post by HomerinNC

 

Like it really matters how long they are out THEY ARE GETTING BACK PAID BTW SO WHY DO THEY CARE.

Well, if the shutdown lasts till mid-October, things get ugly. Congress should vote by then about the debt ceiling. If they fail to do that, dollar's value will drop significantly and worldwide economy will fall into Great Depression. In worst case, its the end of USA as we know it.

signalfire

combatmaster
reply to post by signalfire

 

Actually bro...

I am a brit. And i see where you are coming from. I am not muslim.

It sucks to hear that its not the vaunted US it used to be. I really didnt want to hear that!

There is no other country that could replace America. I would have to find another planet.

I'm not sure the US ever lived up to its propaganda. The 50s were pretty nice except for all that 'duck and cover' BS and if you weren't black... And I'm way ahead of you in looking for another venue...

"Next Time, No Planet Earth, No Matter What the Brochures Say!"

I get that you think that.... but can i ask you honestly.... In terms of a timeframe.... I wanna know if i come to USA and it will be relatively the same as now and maybe in 10-20 years the sh*t hits the fan?

or

I come the the USA and withing 3 years (short timeframe) everything goes to hell and i lose all my savings etc.

What do you think is more probable?

reply to post by jimmyx


The proof that Obama is running the nation into the ground is all around us, open your eyes. Way to parrot the Obama mantra, it's all the Republicans fault. Bush may have handed him a big stinking pile but all Obama has done is add to it. This mess was not caused by individual tax breaks, we're drowning in debt due to constant war, endless bailouts, and the outsourcing of our economy. Obama is just as guilty as Bush for all three.

Also, the greatest deregulation of Wall St. happened under Clinton when Glass Steagall was dismantled, and derivatives were unleashed. Many of our economic woes today can be traced right back to Slick Willy.

But go ahead, keep blaming Repiblicans, that's what they want, to keep everyone so wrapped up with partisan bickering that we ignore the fact thats it's both sides robbing us blind.

Some things never change.

Chamillionaire:

Ugh
Koopa H town trill figga made my name from selling right
Cause most of these boys just selling out
The rest of these boys just selling hype
Naw get it right they hype beastin' to get accepted
I don't really see no reason for impressing people that ain't impressive
Still too legit if you base your worth off who ya with
I hope you get your whole crew or clique to stand on a cliff and go do a flip

geemony
reply to post by exiteternity

 

Exit I agree elections can be as corrupt as the candidates in them. And yes votes can be counted one way or the other. I am not placeing my faith unconditionally by any stretch....but voteing by the population is the best way for any government to place its leaders. I know you will again say it doesnt matter and we will agree to disagree. But I would rather be in a voting society then be in a society such as China, or North Korea were the population doesnt and cant even voice an opinion about who they feel is best to lead.

you're still not getting the point he's trying to make....

you say you'd rather be in a voting society, than a non-voting society.....if the vote is rigged, if your vote doesn't count, then it does not matter if you live in a society that allows you to cast a vote...it's equally meaningless....it is also completely meaningless to voice an opinion, if nobody is listening.....

do you get it yet?

jimmyx

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by jimmyx

 

The way Obama is running the nation into the ground at lightspeed, I dont think we have to worry about socialism anymore. We might not have any government at all by then, just anarchy and tribal warfare.

The religious right never catered to my tastebuds, but fiscal responsiblity and job growth did. Its one thing to allow for a welfare state attached to capitalism like most developed countries have, its another thing to have welfare statism because government cant tackle trade deficits and caters to bailouts of big business.

Government spends way too much and collects way too little. Argentina and greece did the same thing and look where they are...in the #hole!

you have no proof or evidence that "Obama is running the nation into the ground"...he was handed a big smelly pile by the republicans and has been hated by the republicans for not cleaning it up fast enough... if the republicans had gotten their heads out of their asses during the bush years, and not cut taxes for the wealthy, and also put in some regulations on the financial corporations, we wouldn't be trying to dig ourselves out of this craphole

lol, typical partisan hack BS...."it's bush's fault"

yeah, bush did a lot of BAD things, and i personally believe he's one of the worst presidents we've had...but he's been gone 5 years....

i think people are more angry with obama for having LIED to us on the campaign trail....

"nobody's coming for your shotgun, nobody's coming for your rifle, nobody's coming for your handgun"...well, that was BS...he said one thing on the trail, and then went back on his word once he got in office...

he said he'd shut down Guantanamo....that has yet to happen.....

he said he'd end the nonsense in iraq and afghanistan, and bring our boys home....that hasn't happened...

he was against starting more wars in the middle east....now we're into all kinds of mess over there...

said he was against raising the debt ceiling....now he's telling seniors they won't get their checks unless they harass their representatives to raise the debt ceiling....

that's just a sampling...he made all these promises, and went back on pretty much all of them, once he got in office, and no longer needed to act like he was on our side...

obama IS running the country into the ground....renewing the patriot act, the NDAA, expanding our military adventures in the middle east, allowing this out of control spending to continue, more bailouts for corporations, and then this latest nonsense, the ACA....he's a lousy president, not because he's black, or because he's a democrat, or because his invisible friend might be named Mohammed, instead of Jesus...he's a lousy president because he's just plain bad at it...he's a s**tty leader, he's surrounded himself with lousy people, who give him bad advice...his whole administration is just awful...

we should stop the partisan crap.....obama is a lousy president, and our nation is in distress, and i'm INCREDIBLY happy people are starting to take notice...

reply to post by exiteternity


Any countries flag the world over, even if its flag with your family coat of arms on it is upside down, is a signal of distress. This is global knowledge and has been around for centuries.

And yes the world over is watching America closely , some of us are pretty sure they have used property As collateral, if they can't pay back their loan, which I don't think they plan to do whoever they borrowed money from will own the land. New land owners, new leaders. Well that's my guess anyway.

The American people are in dire distress.

I've missed several pages of this thread, but I was trying to get caught up when I noticed that the logo for this forum is now an upside down flag! Has it always been this way, or did it just change after this thread?

exiteternity
reply to post by Destinyone

 

its not the stars themself.
it is the thought process behind the stars. the stars actually tells you if ppl agree with your post.
or not.
and that post, which was highly agreeable had no stars. therefore one could assume noone agreed with that post, making me think this is some hivementality type thing going on here. they probably saw the post as anti-american and decided to not care about its validity.
same reason ppl put blindly on posts that are pro-american but is filled with bland accusations and hearsay.

thats what i meant.

Um this isn't why stars are given, I will star a post for many reasons, could be I agree and saves me saying exactly what has already been said or the post er has a new theory or way of looking at things, I could disagree but I find they good argument, a pat on the back , there are many reasons for stars. Stop looking at them and read what's under them instead.