Chemtrails?

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


So do you think the photo I just posted shows a plane spraying, or a contrail forming naturally?

UpEndedWorld

Good for you, but that goes nowhere towards accounting for my personal observations on many, many occasions.

It does completely account for your observations.

Your observations are trails that persist for hours and spread out to form clouds. Various people on this thread have shown that normal contrails can (and often do) behave in the manner that you observed.

Therefore, contrails can account for you observations.

waynos
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So do you think the photo I just posted shows a plane spraying, or a contrail forming naturally?

Where is the exhaust contrail?

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UpEndedWorld

Good for you, but that goes nowhere towards accounting for my personal observations on many, many occasions.

It does completely account for your observations.

Your observations are trails that persist for hours and spread out to form clouds. Various people on this thread have shown that normal contrails can (and often do) behave in the manner that you observed.

Therefore, contrails can account for you observations.

'fraid not. Why are you guys so persistent?
It was a non spraying day today.
And what a great day it was!

The moon was weird looking today though.

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


Really? Why not? It's been proven since 1915 contrails can persist for hours, and become cloud cover, but now you're saying they can't? Why not?

UpEndedWorld

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UpEndedWorld

Good for you, but that goes nowhere towards accounting for my personal observations on many, many occasions.

It does completely account for your observations.

Your observations are trails that persist for hours and spread out to form clouds. Various people on this thread have shown that normal contrails can (and often do) behave in the manner that you observed.

Therefore, contrails can account for you observations.

'fraid not. Why are you guys so persistent?
It was a non spraying day today.
And what a great day it was!

The moon was weird looking today though.

How do you know which days are spraying days?

...and DON'T say "I know it's a spraying day when I see persistent, spreading trails". You just got done saying you know the persistent spreading trails are chemtrails because you see them on spraying days.

That would be a circular argument.

No one here seems to know how things in the atmosphere actually work. The weather at 10,000 feet, 15,000 feet, even 5,000 feet is not going to be the same as the weather at ground level. I've cited a book before, I'll cite it again, because some people need to actually read at least an introductory book on how meteorology works before even making such claims.

Ahrens, Donald C. "Meteorology Today: An Introduction to Weather, Climate, and the Environment." Tenth Edition. 2012.

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


There isn't one, I'm asking about what you can see, what do you think it is?

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UpEndedWorld

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UpEndedWorld

Good for you, but that goes nowhere towards accounting for my personal observations on many, many occasions.

It does completely account for your observations.

Your observations are trails that persist for hours and spread out to form clouds. Various people on this thread have shown that normal contrails can (and often do) behave in the manner that you observed.

Therefore, contrails can account for you observations.

'fraid not. Why are you guys so persistent?
It was a non spraying day today.
And what a great day it was!

The moon was weird looking today though.

How do you know which days are spraying days?

...and DON'T say "I know it's a spraying day when I see persistent, spreading trails". You just got done saying you know the persistent spreading trails are chemtrails because you see them on spraying days.

That would be a circular argument.

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Many, many more planes than on a normal day like today.

waynos
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There isn't one, I'm asking about what you can see, what do you think it is?

A plane going upward at high speed cutting through the air? Similar effects would be
observed in a wind tunnel, no?

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


You do realize that flight paths change with the weather right? I've seen flights that have a planned flight path, and a real flight path that goes nowhere near it for a lot of the flight, because of winds, or turbulence. Right now there are several fronts moving around that are going to alter flight paths to avoid their effects.

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


Ok, plus one more then. How do you know that was the case, and not that the number of planes were the same but they were less noticeable, as I observed and actually said.

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


Something similar may be observed in a wind tunnel, but why is this visible on this picture? You are looking at a plane that has pulled up sharply following a high speed pass, the afterburners can be seen to be still lit giving an idea of the energy in the manoeuvre.

Zaphod58
reply to post by UpEndedWorld

 

You do realize that flight paths change with the weather right? I've seen flights that have a planned flight path, and a real flight path that goes nowhere near it for a lot of the flight, because of winds, or turbulence. Right now there are several fronts moving around that are going to alter flight paths to avoid their effects.

Come on Z! I have been observing this phenom for too long.
Besides, it was a beautiful, windless day today, as I may have mentioned.
You try too hard to convince a stranger you know nothing of
about the truth or otherwise of his observations, which you also know nothing about.
I appreciate your efforts, but you will not convince me to come around
to your way of thinking, I am afraid.
Try Eryiedes some more. He looks like he might be bordering on wavering, teetering, tipping, toppling, slipping...
but you would know better than I regarding that state of affairs.

waynos
reply to post by UpEndedWorld

 

Something similar may be observed in a wind tunnel, but why is this visible on this picture? You are looking at a plane that has pulled up sharply following a high speed pass, the afterburners can be seen to be still lit giving an idea of the energy in the manoeuvre.

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I don't understand. If a camera could track and view from above the same plane travelling at the same speed horizontally, would it not show the same thing? Then again, there probably is a big difference between a plane cutting the air travelling horizontally and cutting the air travelling vertically.

I don't see what this has to do with chemtrails though.

It was great today not having them, that's for sure.

UpEndedWorld
Come on Z! I have been observing this phenom for too long.

Please provide your journal and photographic entries for your observations over the years that you have been observing.

Besides, it was a beautiful, windless day today, as I may have mentioned.

And how do you know what the wind was like at 10,000 feet or 20,000 feet? Did you launch a weather balloon? Are you using Gibson Ridge software to get samples of weather conditions in the upper troposphere?

You try too hard to convince a stranger you know nothing of
about the truth or otherwise of his observations, which you also know nothing about.

You mean like how you're trying to convince a stranger YOU know nothing about and trying to convince him of something that has no evidence what so-ever in a field he has more experience in?

I appreciate your efforts, but you will not convince me to come around
to your way of thinking, I am afraid.

Closed minded individual. The exact variety that people always harp about on UFO forums.

Again, please provide your credentials and your observations over the years. Without it your arguments are empty.

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


It was windless on the ground. We're talking about planes flying up in the jet stream. I had a Gulfstream III go from Seoul, South Korea to Hickam AFB non-stop (which by the way they can't do), because when they got up into the jet stream they picked up a 155 knot (160 mph roughly) tail wind. Do you seriously think that we had that kind of wind on the ground?

The forecast for tomorrow shows 80-100 mph winds over the US up in the jet stream. I'm pretty sure you're not going to see 80-100 mph winds on the ground.

Zaphod58
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It was windless on the ground. We're talking about planes flying up in the jet stream. I had a Gulfstream III go from Seoul, South Korea to Hickam AFB non-stop (which by the way they can't do), because when they got up into the jet stream they picked up a 155 knot (160 mph roughly) tail wind. Do you seriously think that we had that kind of wind on the ground?

The forecast for tomorrow shows 80-100 mph winds over the US up in the jet stream. I'm pretty sure you're not going to see 80-100 mph winds on the ground.

I think you may have addressed me by mistake instead of Eryiedes!
Eryiedes! Eryiedes! Wherefore art thou?
Zaphod calling!

reply to post by UpEndedWorld


And chemtrail believers complain about skeptics. At least we actually have the guts to discuss things, instead of running away and ignoring it, or jumping right into insults, and acting like 5 year olds.