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The Truth about Presidential Elections

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posted on Oct, 4 2013 @ 03:22 AM
I am always fascinated with the dynamics involved with Presidential elections. I do not understand why we bother, and yes I vote but I know what my vote means. Every election I continually try to educate people on the Electoral College. You know the candidates are only on the ballot so you feel you participated and we can continue blaming each other for voting for "the other guy"?

How many people actually know how the process works? Do you think your [presidential] vote means something? Did you know the Electoral College doesn't even have to vote for one of the candidates if they don't want to? Granted there are a couple of states that have passed laws that state that the Electoral College in their State must vote the way the people vote... but this is the Minority.

Here is some educational information straight for the US Government. Think about the timing, for example if they are appointed at the election how do we know how they vote so soon (when in fact they vote in January)... It's great to learn, 'cause knowledge is power!

What are the qualifications to be an Elector?
The U.S. Constitution contains very few provisions relating to the qualifications of Electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. As a historical matter, the 14th Amendment provides that State officials who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States or given aid and comfort to its enemies are disqualified from serving as Electors. This prohibition relates to the post-Civil War era.

Who selects the Electors?
The process for selecting Electors varies throughout the United States. Generally, the political parties nominate Electors at their State party conventions or by a vote of the party’s central committee in each State. Each candidate will have their own unique slate of potential Electors as a result of this part of the selection process.

Electors are often chosen to recognize service and dedication to their political party. They may be State-elected officials, party leaders, or persons who have a personal or political affiliation with the Presidential candidate.

On Election Day, the voters in each State choose the Electors by casting votes for the presidential candidate of their choice. The Electors’ names may or may not appear on the ballot below the name of the candidates running for President, depending on the procedure in each State. The winning candidate in each State—except in Nebraska and Maine, which have proportional distribution of the Electors—is awarded all of the State’s Electors. In Nebraska and Maine, the state winner receives two Electors and the winner of each congressional district receives one Elector. This system permits the Electors from Nebraska and Maine to be awarded to more than one candidate.

Doublespeak is misleading, but this is what the site states, please see laws below and conflicting info within the site itself.

Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties’ nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors"; may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party’s candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.

List of State Laws and Requirements Regarding the Electors
as of November 2000

Source: Congressional Research Service

The Office of the Federal Register presents this material for informational purposes only, in response to numerous public inquiries. The list has no legal significance. It is based on information compiled by the Congressional Research Service. For more comprehensive information, refer to the U.S. Constitution and applicable Federal laws.

Legal Requirements or Pledges
Electors in these States are bound by State Law or by pledges to cast their vote for a specific candidate:

ALABAMA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 17-19-2
ALASKA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 15.30.040; 15.30.070
CALIFORNIA – State Law – § 6906
COLORADO – State Law – § 1-4-304
CONNECTICUT – State Law – § 9-175
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA – DC Pledge / DC Law – § 1-1312(g)
FLORIDA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 103.021(1)
HAWAII – State Law – §§ 14-26 to 14-28
MAINE – State Law – § 805
MARYLAND – State Law – § 20-4
MASSACHUSETTS – Party Pledge / State Law – Ch. 53, § 8, Supp.
MICHIGAN – State Law – §168.47 (Violation cancels vote and Elector is replaced.)
MISSISSIPPI – Party Pledge / State Law – §23-15-785(3)
MONTANA – State Law – § 13-25-104
NEBRASKA – State Law – § 32-714
NEVADA – State Law – § 298.050
NEW MEXICO – State Law – § 1-15-5 to 1-15-9 (Violation is a fourth degree felony.)
NORTH CAROLINA – State Law – § 163-212 (Violation cancels vote; elector is replaced and is subject to $500 fine.)
OHIO – State Law – § 3505.40
OKLAHOMA – State Pledge / State Law – 26, §§ 10-102; 10-109 (Violation of oath is a misdemeanor, carrying a fine of up to $1000.)
OREGON – State Pledge / State Law – § 248.355
SOUTH CAROLINA – State Pledge / State Law – § 7-19-80 (Replacement and criminal sanctions for violation.)
VERMONT – State Law – title 17, § 2732
* VIRGINIA – State Law – § 24.1-162 (Virginia statute may be advisory – “Shall be expected” to vote for nominees.)
WASHINGTON – Party Pledge / State Law – §§ 29.71.020, 29.71.040, Supp. ($1000 fine.)
WISCONSIN – State Law – § 7.75
WYOMING – State Law – §§ 22-19-106; 22-19-108

No Legal Requirement
Electors in these States are not bound by State Law to cast their vote for a specific candidate:



I made this map for everyone. It is a map of the states that are not legally bound to vote any way. Take that for what you will -for one side or another- but these states still need 43 votes to elect a President assuming they are all united in their effort. (They are red on this map).

A non-"slimdown" link to the Government Source Here
edit on 4-10-2013 by Volund because: changed december to january, oops

posted on Oct, 4 2013 @ 03:28 AM
I had zero characters left...

For the reasons based on how the System really works I would never "concede" an election until January when the actual Electoral College votes are cast. It is a fallacy and the system is highly misleading to cause infighting between ourselves for our votes.

Each state’s electoral votes are counted in a joint session of Congress on the 6th of January in the year following the meeting of the electors. Members of the House and Senate meet in the House chamber to conduct the official tally of electoral votes. (On December 28, 2012, President Obama signed Pub.L. 112-228, as passed by both houses of Congress, moving the day of the vote count from January 6, 2013 (a Sunday) to January 4, 2013.)

hmmmm, but we knew this already didn't we? Each election people yell about abolishing the Electoral College but this is quickly replaced by the latest "news" hype.

posted on Oct, 4 2013 @ 05:37 AM
reply to post by Volund

Each election people yell about abolishing the Electoral College but this is quickly replaced by the latest "news" hype.

Speaking of that, I wonder what was going on while everyone was reporting on the DC shooting?

Seriously though, i don't vote unless there is a candidate worthy of it.

I voted for Ron Paul last election. In fact he won in Louisiana, MSM never mentioned a word of it though.

My aunt told me I wasted my vote because I voted for Paul, I told her that all votes are a waste because of this thing called the "Electoral college". It really doesnt matter. Elections are there so people think they have a choice in this country. They gotta keep the illusion up. Not to mention the "Help America Vote" act really did nothing but consolidate all the electronic voting machines into one major entity.

Its hard to get people to see it sometimes though, even when its right there in the open.

posted on Oct, 4 2013 @ 01:58 PM
it's all a farce

so just disengage from it all

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