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So Unfortunately The Government Is Still Here

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posted on Oct, 1 2013 @ 08:17 PM
Stop it with the “government shutdown” nonsense. Just stop it. The government is not “shutting down”, as in “ceasing to function”. A few hundred thousand bureaucrats won’t get a paycheck or two and that’s it. So if you’re one of them, then I guess it’s a big deal. But hey, that’s the risk you take (and arguably what you deserve) when you work for an employer that relies on coercion and theft for its revenue. Sometimes you can’t scare people to manipulate them anymore, and sometimes they simply don’t have anything left to take. Government is a risky business on the supply side.

But as for the rest of us… nothing has changed. Nothing will change. The government isn’t going anywhere. They will still throw you in jail if they catch you doing something they don’t like. They will still engage in foreign policies of genocidal mercantilism. They will still spy on you whenever they “feel like it”. You will still have to “stop and identify”. You will still be constantly bombarded with fascist propaganda from every direction, and you’ll probably wake up and go to work tomorrow just like any other day. It doesn’t affect the average American one bit, and is indicative of the uselessness of the federal government to begin with.

I want a real government shutdown. I can’t wait for it, and now they’re just teasing me. All the hype over what’s happening now is softcore doom porn for the retarded masses. When the government shuts down for real, you’ll know it.

Until then, they’ll just keep shoveling out more fear for us to consume. On sale now through the end of... whenever.

posted on Oct, 1 2013 @ 09:17 PM
Should we not be paying federal taxes while the shutdown is in effect?

Perhaps we can have a shutdown every year in rememberance for a week (or 52) and call it Tax-free Week!

posted on Oct, 1 2013 @ 09:34 PM
reply to post by NthOther

Yeah, people act like the ENTIRE government is no longer there.

In reality in Washington hardly anything has changed. There are many things and area's shut down but only where it will place a burden on the American people and hardship on us.

This is just a circus act to try and make people bend to their will.

Not a single congressman or any other high ranking politician will miss a paycheck but here in Arizona for example they have closed the Grand Canyon National park because they can't afford to pay a couple dozen peoples low salaries.

Usually wouldn't be a problem but I have a relative coming tomorrow who has cancer and not long to live, One of his dreams was to see the Grand Canyon and it was all planned but now is not going to happen because it's closed.

They play their games while we suffer.

posted on Oct, 1 2013 @ 10:09 PM
I don't know, my mother has been talking with her brothers and sisters all day. I think they broke something this time. Just the wrong mix of things might have set something off in their 60's counter-culture heads. I wish I had some hollywood ominous theater for you all but I can only dream

posted on Oct, 1 2013 @ 11:57 PM
Agree fully! Will it hurt my pocket book if the government ACTUALLY shuts down, i.e can't pay their bills? Yes. My wife would not receive a check. I am willing and able to take care of my family to show the people that can't the liberals aren't your parents. Ultimately you need to provide for your family in the most primal way if necessary. Then, maybe just maybe, the sale of x boxes will go down.

posted on Oct, 2 2013 @ 01:30 AM
Meh, its the (what number was it?) 14th shutdown in US-american history. Last one was in 1996, right?

Just remember to continue paying your governmental bills after the 16th october, okay? Because THAT would be a real desaster!

posted on Oct, 2 2013 @ 02:12 PM
As long as the police state and the stazi/ss like organisations are still getting paid then it is not a government shutdown. The masters are still in control and propaganda is still in effect so this means nothing. But the shutdown gave me some information I did not have before so thank you for informing me more on how the NWO controls people. But for that gem you should seek your information elsewhere. The NWO is watching us but I am watching back just like anonymous even if I do not think of myself as part of them.

posted on Oct, 2 2013 @ 04:18 PM
I came to the United States from England to join my Bostonian wife several years ago; I am still not taken by either side in US politics. I have always felt that the state's is like any other developed country on Earth, good in some ways and bad in others. However, I have always thought that it was a civilized nation with benevolently oriented civil values.

Therefore, the current circumstances are dismaying to say the least, particularly when those effects of political wrangling affect my life and the lives of people I care about. The opening post states some very specific misconceptions about what is going on and what the situation is. The scribe seems to be under the impression that only certain people are affected and apparently... I quote, "deserve it."

The perceived ideology seems to be that only a couple of hundred thousand government 'blue meanies will have to endure some inconvenience. That concept apparently is acceptable to a deserving sacrifice for these evil minions of chaos. The proposition being, that the few rotten bureaucrats who just tax us all anyway, will just "miss a paycheck or two."

While I accept that the writer does not represent all of us here and our conceptions and opinions, I do not see anyone else expressing an alternative view or a clearer understanding. Which can only imbibe me to believe that the same ideas are at least partially agreed with.

It may be true in some case, that some of the blue meanies do deserve it. There are always bad eggs in any given organization, the current administration tends to be hiring the wrong sort of people to do the jobs. There is also a very poor level of internal policing of the manner in which policies are interpreted and applied and trained. That is not to say that still a great many people within those jobs are not actually trying to do their best for others also.

We tend to only see the bad ones on the tube videos and web sites. Mainly, because their antics and bad behavior, challenges the laws and society, they are 'supposed' to be responsible for. Hence, their actions are as criminal as any criminals. Nevertheless, most people in the jobs are just ordinary people, trying to earn an honest days pay for an honest days work.

The problem is, that many people are blinded as to exactly what constitutes a federal employee paid position. Well... my wife happens to be one of those people under that edict. I'll tell you what she does, she's an ER nurse. My wife was a commander in the US navy and wanted to come to give her medical skills to native American peoples.

For the past several years, she has been acting upon that dream, she just happens to be paid by the federal government. The nature of the job means that she is constantly exposed to danger herself, from exotic diseases, to dangerously violent people and situations. Throughout, and during which she attempts to save people's lives.

My wife has been punched, and suffered back injury trying to do just that. No re-compensation, no recognition by the public, just a federal job on the res. She suffers the traumatic stress constantly of seeing small children dying in assaults and vehicle accidents, which of course, it is then my job to try to help her deal. We love the local culture, and She has become an honorary medicine woman for the hospital.

She comes from a long family line of Navy people, her father having been the flight deck director who dispatched Senator McCain on the day he was shot down (does that make him a blue meanie of the dark side; I don't know!). Her parents are all buried with full honors in Arlington's cemetery, and she will also be buried there herself with full honors at the end of her days.

Now of course, she is under financial threat from the administration shut down. Many people with whom she works are also under the same shadow. These are often people with their own problems of need for medication, single and pregnant mothers who need to feed their families. People who have to pay rent for their own reservation accommodation.

So, apparently my wife who is one of these evil minions of chaos, will miss a paycheck or two and supposedly... 'deserves it'. That same, must also go for the many, many other federal employees throughout the US and abroad. The vast range of people whose jobs range from administration to cooking, medical actions and other life-saving tasks. They now have to go through all of the stress, the extra unbearable stress of no pay for their families and the stress of their job.

They cannot speak out in forms like this; they are held by their oaths and the requirements of the organizations they represent. Oaths to which they feel loyal and accountable. The same to which the administration itself is 'supposed' to be committed. They seem to have gained an inability to actually carry out that simple task and now people must suffer.

But is it only the blue meanies who are carrying the weight of pain, no... it is not. Remember, those same organizations need money to keep going and buy stocks or supplies. It is my wife who has to tell someone whose little child or grandmother has been lost to them that the proper supplies may not be available. To inform them that the right care is not up and running right now. People (will) die during this shut down (emphasis... will), and millions, (millions) of contractors will be canceled and not paid.

That seems to extend somewhat the concept of a couple of hundred thousand blue meanies being inconvenienced. Now we see that many millions of lively hoods will be affected. Lives will be ruined; livelyhoods lost, and even lives lost. The effects will be felt for some people for decades.

So... everyone on the web is obviously happy with the changing events, Congress is still getting two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. I like the United States, you can tell because I haven't gone home yet. I would like to see the nation doing what is should be doing, simply supporting people to live their lives and supply the service to them that the law expects.

That is the administrations' job, not to increase power bases, but instead to serve the public. It is what the words 'public servant' is defined by. The argument over healthcare can be fought separately without sacrificing the lively hoods of veteran skilled people. The same people who have families and other people to pass their skills onto.

Hence, instead of insulting people with ignorance try to show some support. The people who exist and will suffer these next few months. Just thank god that you are not one of them and hang your heads a little in somber sympathy; for those who are giving that sacrifice for what we hope will work out for the best.

My wife is a veteran, a loyal American, and is dedicated to saving lives everyday, now she just has a lot more stress than before. I hope everything comes back to normal in the United States and my wife, and I can get our lives back to normal. We are about to enjoy our seventh American anniversary; it would be nice to enjoy that in a happy, friendly environment. Thank you.

posted on Oct, 2 2013 @ 06:12 PM
reply to post by Chelmsford123

Wait, so you actually think the US governments job is to protect and serve its people?

I think you missed the OPs point. He did not say anything about being happy of federal employee "suffering"... meanwhile entire families getting disintegrated by drones in Yemen and Pakistan, but I digress. Don't get me wrong, I hold no contempt for honest people trying to make a living, federal or not.

I think the point he was trying to make is this is all for show. Its not a real shut down and the police state is still in effect. Wars continue and police brutality and injustice continues. And I too am hoping for a REAL government shut down, one that is initiated by the people.

I do sympathize but honestly there is so much other tragedy and injustice happening. All I can say to you is tough it out. Maybe its time your wife looks for a new, more reliable employer- one that isn't in the business of killing innocents and spying on its own people.

You're entitled to your perspective, but calling the OP ignorant and implying he gets all his info from you tube is a generalizing and rather ignorant comment, seeing how you are the one who called him ignorant.

Good luck to you.

posted on Oct, 2 2013 @ 09:33 PM
I don’t begrudge a man (or woman) for taking (or holding onto) any job he can get these days. I acknowledge the fact that not receiving even one paycheck can be a personal economic calamity for a lot of people. I’ve been there, and I honestly do feel for the individuals who are scrambling to pay bills and put food on the table.

But I also understand that it is those very individuals who are, be it through ignorance or devise, greasing the machinations of one of the myriad institutions responsible for much of the violence and oppression we see throughout the world and increasingly here in our own country.

The institutions are deserving of their own demise, and it necessarily (and unfortunately) follows that those who rely on the state for their own livelihoods will be affected as we go through this process of collapse. I don’t like it. But that’s simply how it works. When any other corporation goes out of business, its employees lose their jobs. And it sucks to be them. But if that corporation was corrupt and immoral, no one else would be crying about its failure or have much sympathy for those implicated. Remember Enron?

The United States is simply a supercorporation wrapped in a banner of arrogant nationalism and armed with nuclear weapons. If there’s any company that should just liquidate and call it quits… yeah. There are unfortunate and unavoidable consequences of that, but it’s both logically and morally obvious that things can’t continue on like this, nor should they.

As somewhat of an aside, it says a lot about the fascist nature of the United States when it employs so many people to do its bidding that it becomes a point of national economic concern when it stops writing payroll checks for a few weeks (at most).

posted on Oct, 2 2013 @ 10:09 PM
reply to post by SecTownKid

No... but I do think that the governments job is 'supposed' to be, to protect and serve its people. A job that they should be doing, the fact that they are not is what the argument is about. While my wife and I indeed shall do what we can to "tough" it out as you casually suggest, it is not a position that anyone can keep on for too long. Yes.. the government is putting the squeeze on, eventually it will even reach to YOU.

It is okay to demand privation from people when your not the one struggling, that is what drove the mind-set of world war one generals. There are a great many people from different situations other than just public administration who rely on that money. Also and as I previously stated, people will suffer greatly, some due to a lack of health care support will die.

It is the casual acceptance of the situation that needs to be addressed among what is expected. Therefore, I guess it is okay as long as other people suffer for others perspectives. It is not anyone here causing the problem, that is government elephants making tracks sure. However, very few people seem to be actually aware of the consequences.


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