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Trouble with Comet Halley

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posted on Sep, 24 2013 @ 06:22 PM
Trouble with Comet Halley
(A follow-up piece on Rethinking Comets placed in Aliens & UFOs forum 9/13/13)
You have been taught to believe that comets are purely natural objects. So the suggestion that Comet Halley is something more than a natural object typically requires instant rejection. But hold on to that instant dismissal for a minute, please. If you are one the about 40-per cent of Americans believing that UFOs are alien craft and in the 80 per cent that believes that the government is lying to you about UFOs, let’s extend your possibilities to comets being the motherships for UFOs. Yeah, it is a stretch, but humor this theory here, just as you do when watching a sci-fi movie of outlandish situations.
Of course, Science has not given you reason to think otherwise about comets. –(Maybe that is because they spend their time denying UFOs?) As I generally outlined in my earlier thread of last week, Rethinking Comets, in the Aliens & UFO forum, those bodies are, indeed, natural bodies to some extent, but other forces are evident with a closer examination of their behaviors. So let’s look at Comet Halley, the basic factual data first.
The Comet Halley was last here in 1986. Returns of the comet are almost as regular as that of the Moon if not as frequent with its 76-year period. Historical records indicate that it has been noted by one civilization or another for 30 returns. Perhaps it has returned far earlier in human history if not during human development before records and perhaps even before language.
We are told that it moves in an elongated eclipse out to 35.1 AU (astronomical units) from the sun, beyond the orbit of Neptune. The University of Wisconsin site on Halley gave this off-hand comment: “Orbits like this are Kepler's Second Law on steroids.” Frankly, I say impossible by Nature but not by intelligence actions utilizing nature to its upmost allowances.
The field of comets is divided into two categories, short-period comet and long-period comets that are usually referred to as parabolic and near-parabolic comets. Astronomers compute the shape of a comet’s orbit by closely studying its movement here within the inner system. The method has been refined to a high degree for short-period comets, those in oval-type, elliptic orbits. Most of those stay within the bounds of Jupiter’s orbit, and major portions of their orbits can be physically observed and recorded over long periods. The long-period comet class presents a special problem for determining the exact characteristics of their entire motions. They frequently are observed quite a bit less in time as they whip in around the sun and escape to unknown distances and equally unknown times of return. As a rule they are not assigned a full orbit, only their inner motions are of interest. How far out they go and when they may return, if at all, is not important and it cannot be done.
So they try to determine the ultimate shape of the orbit, the eccentricity (out of roundness), of the orbit from inner system measurements. This method works well for the short-period comets where the ellipses are short and fat, oval-like circles and can be refined. It works not so well for the long-period comets that consistently do not follow the “rules” for how they should move as they enter and leave the area near the sun. In a word, they frequently adjust their motions outside those expected by mere natural physics.
Comet Halley and about three others are special cases. They are considered short-period comets for only one reason, Halley’s, in particular, returns every 76 years like clockwork. It falls within the short-period category that extends from zero out to about 200 years. That indisputable fact takes precedent over conflicting “facts.” One of which is the eccentricity assigned to its motion. Halley’s closest approach to the sun maintains a distance of .6 AU which brings it in between the orbits of Mercury and Venus. Its eccentricity is given as .963 which is beginning to skirt the edge of infinity at 1.0, the point where an outward bound comet keeps going, not bound by gravity. Some long-period comets of indeterminable lengths and times of return have even lesser eccentricities than does Halley.
In looking at the data for long-period comets, it is found that most of their 944 individual parabolic and near-parabolic motions cannot be determined as mentioned earlier because their motions are close to being—and sometimes over—the infinity mark. Of their number, only 69 have been assigned periods. The average time of those periods is 493 years, all far in excess of Halley’s time, and some have eccentricities less than Halley. The one unavoidable point that makes Halley a short-period comet is its 76-year orbit. The one point that makes Halley a long-period comet is its eccentricity which is entirely within keeping for infinite time/length orbits. Yet, it returns frequently. Quite a puzzle.
The question then is: What do we really know about the full orbit of Halley? Answer: Not much, and we find data that puzzles even the astronomers as they scratch their heads trying to understand comets under current theories.
In February of 1991 at a distance of 14 AU as it moved away from the Sun and neared Uranus, Halley underwent a visual brightening, an outburst that continued for several months. The increased outpouring of material increased the size of its coma to approximately 186,000 miles across in a relatively short period of time.[41]..Backtracking on recorded data, the astronomers found that the outburst likely started in December 1990. Such an outburst of that magnitude was totally unexpected once a comet had moved away from the warming effects of the sun and supposedly had returned to inactivity in the deep freeze of space. Was it a chance collision with another natural body? Not likely. Such brightening has happened with other comets as they head out of the inner system with the cause unknown in conventional theory.
Supposedly, Halley’s turn around point, is at 35.1 AU, beyond the orbit of Neptune at 30 AU. Having been near the sun in 1986, with a 76-year period, the halfway point is reached in about 38 years. That time would be in 2024.
In 2003 the European Southern Observatory in Chile released a press statement that it had found Halley as an exceedingly faint object at 28 AU still inside the boundary of Neptune’s orbit. At that time, 2003, it had been moving away from earth for 17 years. At the present time, 2013, there is about 14 years yet remaining of its outward motion before it heads back according to the standard theory.
The ESO observatory has not reported on the location of Halley since the 2003 PR release. That silence implies two reasons: They have not searched further for the comet and have no update, or they did search and found nothing to report or could report. Their original PR release stated at its conclusion that the ESO’s powerful telescopes had the capability to follow Halley through its whole orbit as the equipment had the added capability to track it yet further.
That seemed to imply that further attempts would be made to follow it. No follow up PR releases implies their looking but not finding it, an embarrassment and further puzzle best not brought to light. (Of course, the ESO can issue a statement tomorrow that Halley has been found and is tracking nicely according to its predicted path. Maybe true. We would have no way of disputing that.)
Here we take a leap into the unknown and unsuspected. In Rethinking Comets, I give basic data to show that three long-period sungrazer comets from the area of Sirius positively cannot have relatively short-period orbits. But other evidence indicates that they have, in fact, returned within a drastically short period of 83 years between the late 1880s and the mid-1900s appearances, and the three comets possibly returned again fairly recently in varied, shorter returns. Conventional astronomers drawing upon their inner system measurements of the three must insist on them as being nine different comets. To think otherwise destroys their whole game.
To tidy this up, the contention herein is that Comet Halley is a long-period comet stuffed into its short-period classification for the sole reason of its all too obvious returns every 76 years. My argument is that these comets, Halley and all long-period comets are evidence for star-crossing bodies driven by intelligence. Once they leave the confines of our solar system, they engage some remarkable aspect of physics to swiftly propel themselves to their home stars and sometimes repeatedly return.
It may be that gravity is a force that precludes the cometship’s main method of transference being engaged until they leave the vicinity of a sun’s gravity well.
The cometship theory allows the more adventurous of us to consider that the galaxy is indeed a busy place and that we seem to be the center of attention. –You have noticed all of the different UFOs over the decades, right?

posted on Sep, 24 2013 @ 06:23 PM
reply to post by Aliensun

Trouble with Comet Halley
Science and government are a co-operative effort for the most part and not a conglomeration of fools. They learned the truth at some point, but it is too precious and dangerous to share with the regular public for a number of legitimate reasons until we are ready. --Who do you think really commissions those periodic polls asking American if they believe in UFOs or not? Those polls are indicators on how we are advancing in their educational program. They will continue to hide the greatest secret ever kept as they leverage us up bit by bit to accept and understand the true state of the cosmos as they learn it themselves. --Hey! Did you hear about the latest earth-like planets they discovered this week? Folks, the program is happening right before your eyes. It is a natural, almost painless, progression of human mindsets mainly driven by Science these days. You do recognize their agenda don’t you?

posted on Sep, 24 2013 @ 06:50 PM

To tidy this up, the contention herein is that Comet Halley is a long-period comet stuffed into its short-period classification for the sole reason of its all too obvious returns every 76 years.

Thats never been a contention. Its always been that way merely due to the desire of humans to classify all grey areas into one neat categorory or the other.
How much carrying capacity can a "car" have before it becomes a "truck"?
How much power can a childs toy have before it becomes a "real" gun?
How big does a minor planet have to be before it becomes a "planet"?
How many words must an author write before the work stops being a "short story" and becomes a "novel"?

At extremes its easy, but the grey area in the middle is fuzzy and its all "depends what you mean by...".

And even back in 1986, this issue of Halleys comet and its classification was well known. Wikipedia even makes note of it.

My argument is that these comets, Halley and all long-period comets are evidence for star-crossing bodies driven by intelligence.

Therefore, aliens.

within a drastically short period of 83 years ...
Conventional astronomers ... must insist on them as being nine different comets.

As of July 2013 there were 4,894 known comets.
Nine different comets in 83 years is not a problem.

posted on Sep, 24 2013 @ 06:52 PM
Big fat S&F

Now thats what this site has been missing for a long time. Out the box thinking.

Thanks for giving me something to think about.

I'll be back when I've refueled with tea

posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 08:01 AM

Big fat S&F

Now thats what this site has been missing for a long time. Out the box thinking.

In much the same way the Lunar Green Cheese Theory [LGCT] is out of the box thinking.

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