My name is David Paulides and for the last 4 years I've been investigating people missing in the wi

Hi David!

Thank you very much for doing this. I have read both books and am appreciative that you state the facts and let the reader speculate for themselves. The data presented is concise and well laid out.

A quick question to you: What would be your advice (with the knowledge you currently have) to your loved ones if they were going hiking in a remote area?

Thanks again for your strength of conviction!

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Here's my assessment of what was on your site:

1. You were involved in a BGFT investigation which placed you into a position where you were at National Parks.

2. Incidentally, while you were at those parks, 2 NPS approached you to inform you of another problem occurring at those same parks.

3. Ergo, the BGFT investigation was relevant to the missing persons issues within the parks only in that that is why you were there and why you were approached as you were a former LEO with an interest in curious matters. Outside of that, the two issues should be construed as unrelated.

I personally admire the fact that you have not attempted to produce any particular theory as to what is happening to these people. You seem to be merely providing the facts in regards to a pattern that seems to exist with a portion of people that go missing in rural or wildlife areas. The moment a theory gets attached to that, the focus becomes the theory and not the evidence of an issue presented in the pattern of the evidence, itself.

Would this be a correct assessment?

AbleEndangered
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

Why would grizzly bear deaths be slept under the rug, without a trace, not even clothing!!

Don't bears bury their food? The wilderness consumes organic material very quickly...Alas, even one of the arguments in favor of BF is that the bodies/remains of bears themselves are very rarely, if ever found in the wilderness...thus the deceased bodies of BF can go undiscovered.

reply to post by DavidPaulides


Thank you very much for your reply. Also, for taking the time for ATS.

As silly as this may seem, Have you ever considered Ley line vortex points or earth energy points around the globe? Some might think this to be outlandish but I always found the similarities very interesting.


(Missing 411 map)


(supposed energy vortex points)

Maybe certain factors can trigger events around these supposed points of energy? (specific individuals, time of day and year, celestial alignments...) Which could leave people displaced?

Just thought I would share a theory floating in my head.

DavidPaulides

This is the third time I've been told what we are doing and someone makes a claim that is completely outlandish....

lol, welcome to ATS. Home of the outlandish non sequitur. You should see what the mods are removing.

It is here that the plot for the movie Idiocracy first started becoming fact instead of fiction.

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well at least, those 1 in 200 are accounted for... Phew..



What I also meant by connected in another reply and got my head bashed in was...

The same agency is the connection, the agency is the corruption.....

I thought everyone here was on common ground here when it came to certain false flag events!??

Don't ask how I came up with this, just seem to know....
I believe that the Earth has "wormholes" similar to the Universe. I believe that it is possible to travel through these. To where? I am not sure. Perhaps other dimensions or other planets. I believe that many elements must come together in order to create these, being Earth temperature, humidity, air (static?) and so forth. Therefore, the wormholes may not always appear in the same place at common times.
This would make retrieval of a person impossible unless you understood all the factors. Now, I also link this to Bigfoot. Except I feel that Bigfoot is a hell of a lot smarter than we give him credit for. I believe he has the capabilities to help create a wormhole and know where it is taking it. Just fun theories.

reply to post by DavidPaulides


Thankyou for your reply,

I remember a story of a young boy, who went missing for over 5 hrs. and he told his parents that the thing that took him looked exactly like his own mum , but different and that he didn't like her as much as his own mum. He also stated that they wanted him to produce excrement on a piece of some sort of paper.

Have there been may reports like the above?
Do you believe the children's stories that have been returned ?
Have you ever found any remains of these missing people?

TDawgRex

DavidPaulides
reply to post by Blarneystoner

 

Wouldn't you consider abduction a form of attack? Isn't that exactly what you are claiming? That bgft has abducted or relocated hundreds of people in the wild?
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This is the third time I've been told what we are doing and someone makes a claim that is completely outlandish....

WE HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM THAT BIGFOOT is involved in any abduction. No place, nowhere!

Kidnapping and abduction are the same crime, in essence.

An attack on someone usually involves and assault and battery, in law enforcement terms.

Well, you see that there are plenty of cynics here on ATS. Don't let them get to you.

Keep on, keepin' on. You're doing ok.

edit on 24-9-2013 by TDawgRex because: Crap! Spelling

I remain skeptical... too many unanswered questions. The DNA evidence is sketchy at best and a possible conflict of interest on Ketchum's part.

It seems obvious to me that David is alluding to the possibilty that the abductions he's investigating were perpetrated by "wild men" or "bigfoot". Am I the only one who sees this? And yes... I would call being carried off by a giant ape-man an attack... geeze.

Still no reponse from David as to why the paper was only published in one journal and is that jounal's only publication. Which, btw was only founded 9 days before the paper was published. Yet, David is convinced that the conclusions drawn by Ketchum are valid.

I respect David for taking the time to come and answer questions. With that said, I think it's only normal for someone to ask the tough questions which surround the controversial research and conclusions which are drawn.

Deny ignorance... unless you're star struck?

I can understand why so many are disturbed by the findings. The conclusions drawn by Ketchum say that these wild men or BGFTs are human/primate hybrids originated 15,000 years ago. That seems pretty far fetched, even to a layman.

It's a shame that the paper was never properly peer reviewed and if it was, why was it rejected?

Those questions have not been answered yet.

Do you think that you will ever get to a point were we have a complete picture of what happening?

Also is it safe for me and my freinds to go wanding round the country side ?

This thread ticks me off.

David keeps blasting people about not reading the white paper - But.. this would mean everyone would have to BUY the journal article. ( not just read the abstract)

Look, tons of people on ATS aren't going to do that. David IMO would have been more prudent if he posted a detailed outline of the entire white paper with all the pertinent details to this thread highlighted.

Otherwise, it looks like David is selling journal articles for the company that holds them.

If I had the money, I'd buy the paper and post it for Free for all ATS to view - thats what someone should have done. IMO it's what David should have done instead of asking all of us to go buy an article.

Authors on ATS cant sell/push their books.. (it's against the ATS rules) so how can David push this white paper. Something is very wrong in Kansas.

JohnPhoenix
This thread ticks me off.

David keeps blasting people about not reading the white paper - But.. this would mean everyone would have to BUY the journal article. ( not just read the abstract)

Look, tons of people on ATS aren't going to do that. David IMO would have been more prudent if he posted a detailed outline of the entire white paper with all the pertinent details to this thread highlighted.

Otherwise, it looks like David is selling journal articles for the company that holds them.

If I had the money, I'd buy the paper and post it for Free for all ATS to view - thats what someone should have done.

I kind of agree. There is no reason legitimate science papers should have to be bought anymore. Transmitting them is literally free now since most people/institutions have internet for other reasons.

reply to post by DavidPaulides


I for one thank you for looking into the circumstances of the missing, some of the bodies found, where found, and conditions of bodies seemed outlandish to me in several cases you have reported on.. The ones found alive who had no memory or were two young to give a coherent testimony of what happened is a true mystery when all reports are considered IMO...

I would like things resolved on many fronts but I have to wonder what will it take ?

The Bigfoot data based upon DNA should shut the door on the question yet there are those who will not accept anything outside their long held beliefs until Biggie Foot knocks on their door an ask for a cookie.

Government agencies doing a CYA seems to be more and more an accepted procedure with no recourse for people seeking the truth. Again thank you for your efforts and the team you were able to bring together.

reply to post by Blarneystoner


Plenty of questions. Many that are unresolved.

But I still commend David for trying to confirm or deny certain aspects of the stories he investigates.

I will be truthful, I find that the evidence of Sasquatch be to be doubtful concerning today's tech. But human abductions abound as well, so I am trying to keep my mind open.

There is a lot of weird stuff here.

reply to post by DavidPaulides


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the DNA study was inconclusive? I've seen other TV programs where supposed Bigfoot DNA samples were taken -- and it turns out it was a bear or wolf. I think the Joe Rogan show did some DNA/hair tests and they also came up negative.

Do you have any guesses as to why we have never found a Bigfoot carcass? Do you think they might bury their dead? If so, where are the tools they would need?

reply to post by winnar


We can always order them from the library.

Just sayin'.

Mr. P.,

Thanks for volunteering to spend some time with us.

BlarneystonerIt seems obvious to me that David is alluding to the possibilty that the abductions he's investigating were perpetrated by "wild men" or "bigfoot". Am I the only one who sees this? And yes... I would call being carried off by a giant ape-man an attack... geeze.

He's alluded to no such thing. In fact, from page 1 in this thread, he made this statement on the exact subject:

I have no idea where you heard that we believed bigfoot was causing the disappearances. We have NEVER stated this in any book or any interview, ever. WE have NEVER made any statement about what we believe is happening because we aren't sure. When researchers make baseless claims, they have lost their credibility, you won't see us doing this.

Additionally, I was the one who brought up the "wild men". At no point in any of his responses to me did he allude to any belief or opinion that "wild men" were the perpetrators. That was simply a thought that popped into my head--NOT HIS based on my knowledge set and pertaining to the dogs/berries.

If you're going to accuse somebody of something then perhaps you should actually read his responses and the related questions because someone like me will come along and call you out on your straw man--especially when you used my specific question to do so.

TDawgRex
reply to post by Blarneystoner

 

Plenty of questions. Many that are unresolved.

But I still commend David for trying to confirm or deny certain aspects of the stories he investigates.

I will be truthful, I find that the evidence of Sasquatch be to be doubtful concerning today's tech. But human abductions abound as well, so I am trying to keep my mind open.

There is a lot of weird stuff here.

How can anyone not make the connection when David has written or co-authored three books about Bigfoot? Prior to the 411 series?

sigh...

reply to post by WhiteAlice

He's a BGFT investigator!!! The allusion is obvious!


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